So what changes would you make to your team for the 2nd Test?

I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .

I think the English bowling is going to come under scrutiny a lot more then Australia bowling lineup. Spinning options? Pace options ? Anderson? Wood?

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 12:31:50 PM UTC+10, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
> So what changes would you make to your team for the 2nd Test?
> I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .

Seems about right. ScoBo keeps his spot.

> I think the English bowling is going to come under scrutiny a lot more then Australia bowling lineup. Spinning options? Pace options ? Anderson? Wood?

As much as I like and thank Ali, I'd risk picking another spinner.
No other change.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:43:52 PM UTC+10, jack fredricks wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 12:31:50 PM UTC+10, wlsut...@gmail..com wrote:
> > So what changes would you make to your team for the 2nd Test?
> > I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .
> Seems about right. ScoBo keeps his spot.
> > I think the English bowling is going to come under scrutiny a lot more then Australia bowling lineup. Spinning options? Pace options ? Anderson? Wood?
> As much as I like and thank Ali, I'd risk picking another spinner.
> No other change.

That might depend on how Broad & Anderson pull up, do you want to risk one of them breaking down if there's another flat pitch?

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 4:48:31 PM UTC+10, Hamish Laws wrote:
> That might depend on how Broad & Anderson pull up, do you want to risk one of them breaking down if there's another flat pitch?

True. My post ignored any health/fitness concerns. It was just based on form.

In message <1f9f1553-6966-4fde-b2d4-73ab26945486n@googlegroups.com>,
"wlsut...@gmail.com" <wlsutton54@gmail.com> writes
>So what changes would you make to your team for the 2nd Test?
>
>
>I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for
>a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .
>
>
>I think the English bowling is going to come under scrutiny a lot more
>then Australia bowling lineup. Spinning options? Pace options ?
>Anderson? Wood?

Wood has to come in to make England's pace attack less "samey". Ali is
unlikely to be fit, and also Lord's Test pitches rarely seem to offer
spinners much help, so England may decide that Root's quite presentable
off-spin is sufficient. We've also seen that Stokes can't bowl many
overs, which may incline them towards picking an extra seamer. So the
England 8-11 could be Wood, Robinson, Broad, Anderson. Or if they are
worried about Anderson's fitness/form or the length of the tail it could
be Woakes, Wood, Robinson, Broad.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:13:12 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <1f9f1553-6966-4fde...@googlegroups.com>,
> "wlsut...@gmail.com" <wlsut...@gmail.com> writes
> >So what changes would you make to your team for the 2nd Test?
> >
> >
> >I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for
> >a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .
> >
> >
> >I think the English bowling is going to come under scrutiny a lot more
> >then Australia bowling lineup. Spinning options? Pace options ?
> >Anderson? Wood?
> Wood has to come in to make England's pace attack less "samey". Ali is
> unlikely to be fit, and also Lord's Test pitches rarely seem to offer
> spinners much help, so England may decide that Root's quite presentable
> off-spin is sufficient. We've also seen that Stokes can't bowl many
> overs, which may incline them towards picking an extra seamer. So the
> England 8-11 could be Wood, Robinson, Broad, Anderson. Or if they are
> worried about Anderson's fitness/form or the length of the tail it could
> be Woakes, Wood, Robinson, Broad.
> --

woakes or anderson, wood yobbo and broad for me, but the word after the
match was that with the 10 days break, they thought that would allow ali to recover,
which seems rather foolish, so it could be the same side. plus england have that
keeper problem, they want jonny in the side, so they cant have foakes, so we
have to hope his keeping is a bit sharper in the next match.

mike

On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 at 03:31:50 UTC+1, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:

> I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .

Seems like one change that would be reasonable. Starc would make light work of the England tail...

> I think the English bowling is going to come under scrutiny a lot more then Australia bowling lineup. Spinning options? Pace options ? Anderson? Wood?

I do reckon with the attacking ethos they think "fuck it" and go with Rehan Ahmed - even though he's progressing towards being a better batsman than bowler (if he's not there already). And maybe Wood for Anderson? God knows. Maybe they'll be bloody minded and not change a thing and give Ali a skin graft between now and next week.

Richard

On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:16:45 -0700, Richard Dixon wrote:

> On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 at 03:31:50 UTC+1, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for
>> a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .
>
> Seems like one change that would be reasonable. Starc would make light
> work of the England tail...

Well call me Arthur and colour me old-fashioned, but I'd rather pick a
bowler who can get the top order out.

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:27:21 AM UTC+10, alvey wrote:
> Well call me Arthur and colour me old-fashioned, but I'd rather pick a
> bowler who can get the top order out.

Where's my call up? I fancy myself against Crawley.

In message <u704h6$321jd$1@dont-email.me>, alvey
<Paddy.O.Furniture@Coast.org> writes
>On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:16:45 -0700, Richard Dixon wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 at 03:31:50 UTC+1, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for
>>> a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .
>>
>> Seems like one change that would be reasonable. Starc would make light
>> work of the England tail...
>
>Well call me Arthur and colour me old-fashioned, but I'd rather pick a
>bowler who can get the top order out.

There's also the point that he seems most deadly when he can get swing -
whether conventional or reverse - and there was almost none of either
variety to be had at Edgbaston. Of course conditions for the remaining
Tests are likely to offer him a lot more. He would also strengthen the
tail - even though Robinson's claim that Australia had three number 11s
turned out to be wide of the mark.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 01:27:21 UTC+1, alvey wrote:

> Well call me Arthur and colour me old-fashioned, but I'd rather pick a
> bowler who can get the top order out.

We're talking about Crawley here. Ponting could offer a few outside off and would get a nibble.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:50 AM UTC+1, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
> So what changes would you make to your team for the 2nd Test?
>
>
> I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .
>
>
> I think the English bowling is going to come under scrutiny a lot more then Australia bowling lineup. Spinning options? Pace options ? Anderson? Wood?

Wood definitely if fit . If not they could do worse that Craig Overton. I saw him bowl against Mddx thes season If not Tonhue serves a go..

For spinner, either Livingstone or Matt Parkinson . As England are already one down probably
the latter. candidates Outsider spinners are Liam Dawson and Danny Briggs..

RH

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:54:20 PM UTC+10, John Hall wrote:
> In message <u704h6$321jd$1...@dont-email.me>, alvey
> <Paddy.O....@Coast.org> writes
> >On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:16:45 -0700, Richard Dixon wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 at 03:31:50 UTC+1, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for
> >>> a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .
> >>
> >> Seems like one change that would be reasonable. Starc would make light
> >> work of the England tail...
> >
> >Well call me Arthur and colour me old-fashioned, but I'd rather pick a
> >bowler who can get the top order out.
> There's also the point that he seems most deadly when he can get swing -
> whether conventional or reverse - and there was almost none of either
> variety to be had at Edgbaston. Of course conditions for the remaining
> Tests are likely to offer him a lot more. He would also strengthen the
> tail - even though Robinson's claim that Australia had three number 11s
> turned out to be wide of the mark.
> --
> John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
> like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
> its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
> Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

we had 2 number 11's and one number 10

Personally I thought as soon as Carey got out it should have been fast bowlers only, new ball asap...dont give then time to settle in

In message <35ffa065-f47f-4da4-aa03-fb069d18b98an@googlegroups.com>,
"wlsut...@gmail.com" <wlsutton54@gmail.com> writes
>On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:54:200 >> In message <u704h6$321jd$1...@dont-email.me>, alvey
>> <Paddy.O....@Coast.org> writes
>> >On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:16:45 -0700, Richard Dixon wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 at 03:31:50 UTC+1, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I guess for Oz, maybe Starc for Hazelwood . Hazelwood has been out for
>> >>> a while so an extra week would get him right for the 3rd Test .
>> >>
>> >> Seems like one change that would be reasonable. Starc would make light
>> >> work of the England tail...
>> >
>> >Well call me Arthur and colour me old-fashioned, but I'd rather pick a
>> >bowler who can get the top order out.
>> There's also the point that he seems most deadly when he can get swing -
>> whether conventional or reverse - and there was almost none of either
>> variety to be had at Edgbaston. Of course conditions for the remaining
>> Tests are likely to offer him a lot more. He would also strengthen the
>> tail - even though Robinson's claim that Australia had three number 11s
>> turned out to be wide of the mark.
>
>we had 2 number 11's and one number 10

Boland did well as nightwatchman and obviously Lyon did well. So I'd say
two number 10s and a number 11.

>
>Personally I thought as soon as Carey got out it should have been fast
>bowlers only, new ball asap...dont give then time to settle in

I think England were influenced by the new ball not having done much
previously, except when the weather helped for that 20 minute session
near the start of England's second innings.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

In message <a92923ae-565d-48bc-8924-97b8a4ad45adn@googlegroups.com>,
"wlsut...@gmail.com" <wlsutton54@gmail.com> writes
>why not 4 seamers ( give the Captain a break ) and use Root as your spinner

That's certai9nly a possibility for Lord's, especially if Moeen's finger
hasn't healed.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:52:58 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <35ffa065-f47f-4da4...@googlegroups.com>,
> "wlsut...@gmail.com" <wlsut...@gmail.com> writes
> >
> >Personally I thought as soon as Carey got out it should have been fast
> >bowlers only, new ball asap...dont give then time to settle in
> I think England were influenced by the new ball not having done much
> previously, except when the weather helped for that 20 minute session
> near the start of England's second innings.

i dont know whether it holds any significance for the team at lords,
but when stokes did take the final new ball, he chose Broad and yobbo,
rather than anderson. jimmys got a pretty good record at lords but
if the pitch is going to be another flat one, he probably wont have
much joy there either.

mike

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:52:58 PM UTC+10, John Hall wrote:
> In message <a92923ae-565d-48bc...@googlegroups.com>,
> "wlsut...@gmail.com" <wlsut...@gmail.com> writes
> >why not 4 seamers ( give the Captain a break ) and use Root as your spinner
> That's certai9nly a possibility for Lord's, especially if Moeen's finger
> hasn't healed.

Even if the original damage has healed I'd think it's extremely likely to tear again