No idea why I am asking here except some may have knowledge of the army,
I know Tone was Navy.
In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned with
equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts) but
looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all this
'stuff'.
Is there a reason for this or is it just that people spend a LOT less
time in AFVs these days?

soup wrote:

> No idea why I am asking here except some may have knowledge of the army,
> I know Tone was Navy.
> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned with
> equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts) but
> looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all this
> 'stuff'.
> Is there a reason for this or is it just that people spend a LOT less
> time in AFVs these days?

Maybe 'clutter' on the outside would prevent reactive armour from doing
its wbo?

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 07:07:03 -0000, Tease'n'Seize
<tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> soup wrote:
>
>> No idea why I am asking here except some may have knowledge of the
>> army, I know Tone was Navy.
>> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned
>> with equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts)
>> but looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all
>> this 'stuff'.
>> Is there a reason for this or is it just that people spend a LOT less
>> time in AFVs these days?
>
> Maybe 'clutter' on the outside would prevent reactive armour from doing
> its wbo?

And the 'clutter' is unlikely to survive any local explosions?

Oh! olde laptop back on line, but I'm lacking certification.

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On 12/11/2023 20:07, soup wrote:
> I know Tone was Navy.
> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned with
> equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts) but
> looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all this
> 'stuff'.

The only tanks I jbexed on were aircraft fuel tanks. Not many logs,
sandbags, bed rolls, water 'jerries' and Licorice Allsorts attached to
them. Wasn't room in the wings.

Tone

Kerr-Mudd, John said:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 07:07:03 -0000, Tease'n'Seize
><tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>
>> soup wrote:
>>
>>> No idea why I am asking here except some may have knowledge of the
>>> army, I know Tone was Navy.
>>> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned
>>> with equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts)
>>> but looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all
>>> this 'stuff'.
>>> Is there a reason for this or is it just that people spend a LOT less
>>> time in AFVs these days?
>>
>> Maybe 'clutter' on the outside would prevent reactive armour from doing
>> its wbo?
>
> And the 'clutter' is unlikely to survive any local explosions?

Maybe they have 'boots' ? Or 'trunks' ?

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In article <uit6vg$lbiv$2@dont-email.me>, Hymermut <tone@email.com> on
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 13:05:50 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 12/11/2023 20:07, soup wrote:
>> I know Tone was Navy.
>> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned with
>> equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts) but
>> looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all this
>> 'stuff'.
>
>The only tanks I jbexed on were aircraft fuel tanks. Not many logs,
>sandbags, bed rolls, water 'jerries' and Licorice Allsorts attached to
>them. Wasn't room in the wings.
>
Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
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On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <uit6vg$lbiv$2@dont-email.me>, Hymermut <tone@email.com> on
> Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 13:05:50 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>> On 12/11/2023 20:07, soup wrote:
>>> I know Tone was Navy.
>>> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned with
>>> equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts) but
>>> looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all this
>>> 'stuff'.
>>
>> The only tanks I jbexed on were aircraft fuel tanks. Not many logs,
>> sandbags, bed rolls, water 'jerries' and Licorice Allsorts attached to
>> them. Wasn't room in the wings.
>>
> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?

Oi! My dad flew them!

Chris

In article <krf6qiFu0omU1@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
<chrisnd@privacy.net> on Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 18:05:06 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <uit6vg$lbiv$2@dont-email.me>, Hymermut <tone@email.com> on
>> Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 13:05:50 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On 12/11/2023 20:07, soup wrote:
>>>> I know Tone was Navy.
>>>> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned with
>>>> equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts) but
>>>> looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all this
>>>> 'stuff'.
>>>
>>> The only tanks I jbexed on were aircraft fuel tanks. Not many logs,
>>> sandbags, bed rolls, water 'jerries' and Licorice Allsorts attached to
>>> them. Wasn't room in the wings.
>>>
>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>
>Oi! My dad flew them!
>
To Lidl or the Pusser's Stores?
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On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?

There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it still
is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man crew
standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open days.

Tone

On 14/11/2023 06:22, Hymermut wrote:
> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>
> There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it still
> is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man crew
> standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open days.

This the one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6-0I8IIvo

On 14/11/2023 07:50, soup wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 06:22, Hymermut wrote:
>> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
>>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>>
>> There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it
>> still is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man crew
>> standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open days.
>
> This the one?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6-0I8IIvo

Aye. One and the same.

Enjoyed that, ta.

Tone

On 14/11/2023 06:22, Hymermut wrote:
> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>
> There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it still
> is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man crew
> standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open days.

ATM it seems from a quick gwgl or 3 that Swordfish W5856 and LS326 are
currently airworthy.

--
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On 14/11/2023 09:46, Hymermut wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 07:50, soup wrote:
>> On 14/11/2023 06:22, Hymermut wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
>>>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>>>
>>> There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it
>>> still is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man
>>> crew standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open days.
>>
>> This the one?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6-0I8IIvo
>
> Aye. One and the same.
>
> Enjoyed that, ta.

+1
Chris

On 14/11/2023 11:50, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 09:46, Hymermut wrote:
>> On 14/11/2023 07:50, soup wrote:
>>> On 14/11/2023 06:22, Hymermut wrote:
>>>> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string
>>>>> bags'
>>>>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>>>>
>>>> There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it
>>>> still is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man
>>>> crew standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open days.
>>>
>>> This the one?
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6-0I8IIvo
>>
>> Aye. One and the same.
>>
>> Enjoyed that, ta.
>
> +1
> Chris
>

Imagine the poor bar stewards flying those things in the height of
winter sat in that prop-stream.

It's a wonder they could hit anything at all.

Tone

On 14/11/2023 06:22, Hymermut wrote:
> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>
> There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it still
> is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man crew
> standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open days.

Yes, there is one you can even take a flight in.
Its on my 'to do' list

Chris

On 14/11/2023 11:57, Hymermut wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 11:50, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>> On 14/11/2023 09:46, Hymermut wrote:
>>> On 14/11/2023 07:50, soup wrote:
>>>> On 14/11/2023 06:22, Hymermut wrote:
>>>>> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>>>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string
>>>>>> bags'
>>>>>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>>>>>
>>>>> There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it
>>>>> still is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man
>>>>> crew standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open
>>>>> days.
>>>>
>>>> This the one?
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6-0I8IIvo
>>>
>>> Aye. One and the same.
>>>
>>> Enjoyed that, ta.
>>
>> +1
>> Chris
>>
>
> Imagine the poor bar stewards flying those things in the height of
> winter sat in that prop-stream.
>
> It's a wonder they could hit anything at all.
>
> Tone
After the war, my father went to Canada to train new pilots. The ones
over there had canopies which apparently helped in that climate. Unlike
the British ones, which were mostly scrapped, the Canadian ones had a
benefactor who bought a number of them and they have since been resold
for restoration in a 'disassembled state'. One of these is in a museum
in Malta and there is a second in the RAF reserve store at Stafford.
I have seen both those - but not a complete one. Yet.

Chris

On 14/11/2023 12:23, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
> After the war, my father went to Canada to train new pilots.  The ones
> over there had canopies which apparently helped in that climate.  Unlike
> the British ones, which were mostly scrapped, the Canadian ones had a
> benefactor who bought a number of them and they have since been resold
> for restoration in a 'disassembled state'.  One of these is in a museum
> in Malta and there is a second in the RAF reserve store at Stafford.
> I have seen both those - but not a complete one. Yet.
>
> Chris

How interesting. I knew nowt of this. So there could be others in bits
still collecting dust?

Tone

On 14/11/2023 12:29, Hymermut wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 12:23, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>> After the war, my father went to Canada to train new pilots.  The ones
>> over there had canopies which apparently helped in that climate.
>> Unlike the British ones, which were mostly scrapped, the Canadian ones
>> had a benefactor who bought a number of them and they have since been
>> resold for restoration in a 'disassembled state'.  One of these is in
>> a museum in Malta and there is a second in the RAF reserve store at
>> Stafford.
>> I have seen both those - but not a complete one. Yet.
>>
>> Chris
>
> How interesting. I knew nowt of this. So there could be others in bits
> still collecting dust?
>
> Tone

I'm not sure. Somewhere (from online) I have a list of all those that
were saved and where they ended up. I think there were five, in the
group I am thinking of, as belonging at one time to a 'saviour'? Of
those, I think their whereabouts are all known. I notice in the write up
for the recently posted video in this thread, that the one therein was
mentioned as having been used for training in Canada.
That fits...

Chris

On 14/11/2023 11:57, Hymermut wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 11:50, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>> On 14/11/2023 09:46, Hymermut wrote:
>>> On 14/11/2023 07:50, soup wrote:
>>>> On 14/11/2023 06:22, Hymermut wrote:
>>>>> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>>>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string
>>>>>> bags'
>>>>>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>>>>>
>>>>> There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it
>>>>> still is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man
>>>>> crew standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open
>>>>> days.
>>>>
>>>> This the one?
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6-0I8IIvo
>>>
>>> Aye. One and the same.
>>>
>>> Enjoyed that, ta.
>>
>> +1
>> Chris
>>
>
> Imagine the poor bar stewards flying those things in the height of
> winter sat in that prop-stream.
>
> It's a wonder they could hit anything at all.

Something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2h5dur1XtM

Looks bad enough when doing it for a display, can't imagine how it was
in battle.

On 14-Nov-23 0:40, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <krf6qiFu0omU1@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> on Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 18:05:06 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> In article <uit6vg$lbiv$2@dont-email.me>, Hymermut <tone@email.com> on
>>> Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 13:05:50 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>> On 12/11/2023 20:07, soup wrote:
>>>>> I know Tone was Navy.
>>>>> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned with
>>>>> equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts) but
>>>>> looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all this
>>>>> 'stuff'.
>>>>
>>>> The only tanks I jbexed on were aircraft fuel tanks. Not many logs,
>>>> sandbags, bed rolls, water 'jerries' and Licorice Allsorts attached to
>>>> them. Wasn't room in the wings.
>>>>
>>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
>>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>>
>> Oi! My dad flew them!
>>
> To Lidl or the Pusser's Stores?

How the mighty have fallen.
Fairy used to make torpedo bombers, and now it's washing up liquid.

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On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:45:18 +0000
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> How the mighty have fallen.
> Fairy used to make torpedo bombers, and now it's washing up liquid.

But Blue Peter watchers can make torpedo bombers (and just about
anything else) out of washing up liquid bottles.

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On 14/11/2023 19:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:45:18 +0000
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> How the mighty have fallen.
>> Fairy used to make torpedo bombers, and now it's washing up liquid.
>
> But Blue Peter watchers can make torpedo bombers (and just about
> anything else) out of washing up liquid bottles.
>
...."and a pair of Val's old knickers".

Now where do I get that from?
I am wracking my brains here but I just can't unforget.

On 14/11/2023 17:47, soup wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 11:57, Hymermut wrote:
>> On 14/11/2023 11:50, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>> On 14/11/2023 09:46, Hymermut wrote:
>>>> On 14/11/2023 07:50, soup wrote:
>>>>> On 14/11/2023 06:22, Hymermut wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>>>>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string
>>>>>>> bags'
>>>>>>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was one Fairey Swordfish still flying in my time. I think it
>>>>>> still is, out Yeovilton. It used to amuse me seeing the three man
>>>>>> crew standing to attention and saluting as they flew past on open
>>>>>> days.
>>>>>
>>>>> This the one?
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6-0I8IIvo
>>>>
>>>> Aye. One and the same.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoyed that, ta.
>>>
>>> +1
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>> Imagine the poor bar stewards flying those things in the height of
>> winter sat in that prop-stream.
>>
>> It's a wonder they could hit anything at all.
>
>  Something like this?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2h5dur1XtM
>
> Looks bad enough when doing it for a display, can't imagine how it was
> in battle.
>

Amazing footage. Thanks. I note that no seat belts are used. Probably a
good reason for that.

But I suppose the reason we still have a couple still flying is that in
its time it was a superb design, even though it was outdated already.

Tone

On 14/11/2023 18:45, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 14-Nov-23 0:40, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <krf6qiFu0omU1@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
>> <chrisnd@privacy.net>  on Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 18:05:06 awoke Nicholas
>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>> In article <uit6vg$lbiv$2@dont-email.me>, Hymermut <tone@email.com>  on
>>>> Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 13:05:50 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>>> On 12/11/2023 20:07, soup wrote:
>>>>>> I know Tone was Navy.
>>>>>> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be
>>>>>> festooned with
>>>>>> equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts) but
>>>>>> looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all this
>>>>>> 'stuff'.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only tanks I jbexed on were aircraft fuel tanks. Not many logs,
>>>>> sandbags, bed rolls, water 'jerries' and Licorice Allsorts attached to
>>>>> them. Wasn't room in the wings.
>>>>>
>>>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string bags'
>>>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>>>
>>> Oi! My dad flew them!
>>>
>> To Lidl or the Pusser's Stores?
>
> How the mighty have fallen.
> Fairy used to make torpedo bombers, and now it's washing up liquid.

And they seem to have lost an 'e' :-)

Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.

Chris

In message <krkatiF497rU1@mid.individual.net>, "chrisnd@privacy.net"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> writes
>Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>

Howsomedever, when they were molished, Sherburn in Elmet was in that Wet
Riding.

Adrian
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