Oz have been bowling persistently short with most f Oz fielders out .

RH

On 6/29/2023 9:30 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
> Oz have been bowling persistently short with most f Oz fielders out .
>
> RH

I support Bazball as of today and continue to support it unless they
become reckless in the future.

Winning 11 out of 13/14 tests and then losing one to Australia, I can
live with it.

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:37:54 -0700, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
<FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:

>On 6/29/2023 9:30 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
>> Oz have been bowling persistently short with most f Oz fielders out .
>>
>> RH
>
>
>
>I support Bazball as of today and continue to support it unless they
>become reckless in the future.
>
>Winning 11 out of 13/14 tests and then losing one to Australia, I can
>live with it.
>
>
I didn't see much of the game but looking over the score card you
would think there wasn't much bazing of the ball happening.
Crawley scoring at a run a ball looks a bit bazball on paper.

max.it

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:58:08 AM UTC+10, max.it wrote:
> I didn't see much of the game but looking over the score card you
> would think there wasn't much bazing of the ball happening.
> Crawley scoring at a run a ball looks a bit bazball on paper.

Did you not look at the run rate?
Currently 4.55.
Was over 5 for a big chunk of the innings.

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:30:12 AM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
> Oz have been bowling persistently short with most f Oz fielders out .

Have you done any analysis of England's 12 or so Tests *before* Bazball?

In how many of those were we 278/4?

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:30:12 AM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
> Oz have been bowling persistently short with most f Oz fielders out .
>
No English batsmen were ever caught hooking before that horrible Stokes got the captaincy

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:42:11 AM UTC+1, jack fredricks wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:58:08 AM UTC+10, max.it wrote:
> > I didn't see much of the game but looking over the score card you
> > would think there wasn't much bazing of the ball happening.
> > Crawley scoring at a run a ball looks a bit bazball on paper.
> Did you not look at the run rate?
> Currently 4.55.
> Was over 5 for a big chunk of the innings.

Bazball is a double edged sword. It has helped england win matches
over the last year, but it could gift oz the game, if it goes wrong.

cant see brook or jonny shying away from the short stuff, so
it could go either way. but as stokes said theyr not a results driven
team, the project is to entertain. your missing the point about bazball
if you think the object is just winning. its bigger than that.

oz may have won the last match but england won on a much higher
level; they entertained.

mike

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:56:04 AM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:42:11 AM UTC+1, jack fredricks wrote:
> > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:58:08 AM UTC+10, max.it wrote:
> > > I didn't see much of the game but looking over the score card you
> > > would think there wasn't much bazing of the ball happening.
> > > Crawley scoring at a run a ball looks a bit bazball on paper.
> > Did you not look at the run rate?
> > Currently 4.55.
> > Was over 5 for a big chunk of the innings.
> Bazball is a double edged sword. It has helped england win matches
> over the last year, but it could gift oz the game, if it goes wrong.
>
> cant see brook or jonny shying away from the short stuff, so
> it could go either way. but as stokes said theyr not a results driven
> team, the project is to entertain. your missing the point about bazball
> if you think the object is just winning. its bigger than that.
>
> oz may have won the last match but england won on a much higher
> level; they entertained.
>
> mike

Cricket t is not meant to be entertainment it is a war substitute ...RH

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:03:45 AM UTC+1, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:30:12 AM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > Oz have been bowling persistently short with most f Oz fielders out .
> >
> No English batsmen were ever caught hooking before that horrible Stokes got the captaincy

A childish comment,...RH

On 30/06/2023 01:03, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:30:12 AM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
>> Oz have been bowling persistently short with most f Oz fielders out .
> No English batsmen were ever caught hooking before that horrible
> Stokes got the captaincy

Well, quite. Of course /no-one/ other than a moron would want
to defend the "moronic Baz Ball", but I, for one, would certainly want
to defend the /actual/ "Bazball", misunderstood to mean mindless rash
and impetuous play. The point is that the England squad have access
to statistics of a detail that we could only dream about in the past.
Root, eg, /knows/ that /on average/ he scores more runs hooking than
not doing do. Every player has gut feelings about which shots are
productive and which shots get him out cheaply; today, those gut
feelings are reinforced [or disproved] by the /actual/ ball-by-ball
results. Similarly for bowling.

If Root gets [say] 80 runs per wicket while hooking -- he'll
take that. Sometimes it will fail, sometimes it will work better than
the average. Players typically score below their average ~2/3 of the
time -- eg Bradman scored a century in roughly 1/3 of his innings --
so it's daft to point to one, two or even three consecutive low scores
as evidence of failure. But I don't suppose Robert will let the hard
statistics influence him.

--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Jessel

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:20:23 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
> On 30/06/2023 01:03, Hamish Laws wrote:
> > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:30:12 AM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >> Oz have been bowling persistently short with most f Oz fielders out .
> > No English batsmen were ever caught hooking before that horrible
> > Stokes got the captaincy
> Well, quite. Of course /no-one/ other than a moron would want
> to defend the "moronic Baz Ball", but I, for one, would certainly want
> to defend the /actual/ "Bazball", misunderstood to mean mindless rash
> and impetuous play. The point is that the England squad have access
> to statistics of a detail that we could only dream about in the past.
> Root, eg, /knows/ that /on average/ he scores more runs hooking than
> not doing do. Every player has gut feelings about which shots are
> productive and which shots get him out cheaply; today, those gut
> feelings are reinforced [or disproved] by the /actual/ ball-by-ball
> results. Similarly for bowling.
>
> If Root gets [say] 80 runs per wicket while hooking -- he'll
> take that. Sometimes it will fail, sometimes it will work better than
> the average. Players typically score below their average ~2/3 of the
> time -- eg Bradman scored a century in roughly 1/3 of his innings --
> so it's daft to point to one, two or even three consecutive low scores
> as evidence of failure. But I don't suppose Robert will let the hard
> statistics influence him.
>
> --
> Andy Walker, Nottingham.
> Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
> Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Jessel

Classic Dr-BM . You are presuming that one approach will fit all circumstances which ignores the different psychological and sociological demesnes of human behavior ... RH

On 6/30/2023 4:08 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:56:04 AM UTC+1, mike wrote:
>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:42:11 AM UTC+1, jack fredricks wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:58:08 AM UTC+10, max.it wrote:
>>>> I didn't see much of the game but looking over the score card you
>>>> would think there wasn't much bazing of the ball happening.
>>>> Crawley scoring at a run a ball looks a bit bazball on paper.
>>> Did you not look at the run rate?
>>> Currently 4.55.
>>> Was over 5 for a big chunk of the innings.
>> Bazball is a double edged sword. It has helped england win matches
>> over the last year, but it could gift oz the game, if it goes wrong.
>>
>> cant see brook or jonny shying away from the short stuff, so
>> it could go either way. but as stokes said theyr not a results driven
>> team, the project is to entertain. your missing the point about bazball
>> if you think the object is just winning. its bigger than that.
>>
>> oz may have won the last match but england won on a much higher
>> level; they entertained.
>>
>> mike
>
> Cricket t is not meant to be entertainment it is a war substitute ...RH

No, it's NOT.

Those days are gone long ago.

Cricket is ENTERTAINMENT now.

Winning is of course IMPORTANT but ENTERTAINMENT is also secondarily
important.

Your senile lunatic racist ass is STUCK in the 1960s.

NOBODY cares about your personal opinions and feelings.

Cricket fans and the game MOVED ON.

Test cricket will DIE soon IF ALL teams don't adopt bazball.

As simple as that.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:21:48 -0700, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
<FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:

>On 6/30/2023 4:08 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:56:04?AM UTC+1, mike wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:42:11?AM UTC+1, jack fredricks wrote:
>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:58:08?AM UTC+10, max.it wrote:
>>>>> I didn't see much of the game but looking over the score card you
>>>>> would think there wasn't much bazing of the ball happening.
>>>>> Crawley scoring at a run a ball looks a bit bazball on paper.
>>>> Did you not look at the run rate?
>>>> Currently 4.55.
>>>> Was over 5 for a big chunk of the innings.
>>> Bazball is a double edged sword. It has helped england win matches
>>> over the last year, but it could gift oz the game, if it goes wrong.
>>>
>>> cant see brook or jonny shying away from the short stuff, so
>>> it could go either way. but as stokes said theyr not a results driven
>>> team, the project is to entertain. your missing the point about bazball
>>> if you think the object is just winning. its bigger than that.
>>>
>>> oz may have won the last match but england won on a much higher
>>> level; they entertained.
>>>
>>> mike
>>
>> Cricket t is not meant to be entertainment it is a war substitute ...RH
>
>
>No, it's NOT.
>
>Those days are gone long ago.
>
>Cricket is ENTERTAINMENT now.
>
>
If it is supposed to be a substitute for war and entertaining as well,
it's a long way behind the ultimate bat and ball game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55geIlDD__4

max.it

On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 12:08:04 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:

> Cricket t is not meant to be entertainment it is a war substitute ...RH

Genuinely worried about Robert's mental health. This could be the most peculiar thing he's written.

In message <5237c74c-630c-4deb-9465-48b9900da1b5n@googlegroups.com>,
Richard Dixon <richsdixon1975@gmail.com> writes
>On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 12:08:04 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>> Cricket t is not meant to be entertainment it is a war substitute ...RH
>
>Genuinely worried about Robert's mental health. This could be the most
>peculiar thing he's written.

A long way from it. I believe George Orwell had the same view.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:56:25 AM UTC+10, Richard Dixon wrote:
> On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 12:08:04 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>
> > Cricket t is not meant to be entertainment it is a war substitute ...RH
> Genuinely worried about Robert's mental health. This could be the most peculiar thing he's written.

FWIW, this is the first time I recall hoping RH could be correct.

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 10:10:04 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <5237c74c-630c-4deb...@googlegroups.com>,
> Richard Dixon <richsdi...@gmail.com> writes
> >On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 12:08:04 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> Cricket t is not meant to be entertainment it is a war substitute ...RH
> >
> >Genuinely worried about Robert's mental health. This could be the most
> >peculiar thing he's written.
> A long way from it. I believe George Orwell had the same view.

Correct. All the behaviours and instincts humans use in wars and general strife are those we draw on in war. ...RH
> --
> John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
> like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
> its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
> Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 9:02:04 PM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
> All the behaviours and instincts humans use in wars and general strife are those we draw on in war. ...RH

Least insightful comment ever?

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:29:07 PM UTC+1, jack fredricks wrote:
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 9:02:04 PM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > All the behaviours and instincts humans use in wars and general strife are those we draw on in war. ...RH
> Least insightful comment ever?

Correction
All the behaviours and instincts humans use in wars and general strife are those we draw on in competitive sport ...RH

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 9:46:15 PM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:29:07 PM UTC+1, jack fredricks wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 9:02:04 PM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > > All the behaviours and instincts humans use in wars and general strife are those we draw on in war. ...RH
> > Least insightful comment ever?
> Correction
> All the behaviours and instincts humans use in wars and general strife are those we draw on in competitive sport ...RH

Bazball should have won the first test. They had enough runs and it took something "special" we have not seen from Australia to win it.

On 6/29/2023 9:30 AM, Robert Henderson wrote:
> Oz have been bowling persistently short with most f Oz fielders out .
>
> RH

I am a neutral myself but I am watching Ashes because of bazball.

From Cricinfo:

Ali C: "How can you not be enamoured by this brand of cricket? It might
divide opinion, but Bazball has given test cricket a much needed shot in
the arm. Incredible watch for neutrals like myself. "