In message <d66e4hd37hmrq92o18tn6kc7o8568v0t4p@4ax.com>, at 16:24:56 on
Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:08:31 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <7n4e4hphdo4ga4oorhn33sv916catog6h3@4ax.com>, at 15:58:16 on
>>Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:37:53 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <iqud4hlmi9qs64loofgota2k74t1uh0qv7@4ax.com>, at 14:18:14 on
>>>>Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 11:40:42 +0100, Dudbridge Donkey
>>>>><junk@broadband2k.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 01/04/2022 08:57, MB wrote:

>>>>>>> ScotRail goes back into public ownership
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60842268
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Think of how much better the railways up there will become now hundreds
>>>>>>of millions of pounds a year isn't going to directors and shareholders...
>>>>>>
>>>>>Last I heard, the directors were still getting paid.
>>>>
>>>>Directors of what company? And surely not hundreds of millions!
>>>>
>>>Scottish Rail Holdings Limited (SRH) for a start.
>>
>>As the company is dormant, I hope they aren't being paid much.
>
>The Rail Business Director was advertised at £90-95k according to a
>link now taken down:

>https://www.transport.gov.scot/vacancies/rail-business-director-scottish
>-rail-holdings/
>
>Better than a slater up yer nose, as we say.

Oh, I see. But the PP said that millions of pounds [are no longer] going
to Directors and Shareholders, it doesn't mean them.

Does the staff of OLR work without pay?

Andrew Haines earns £588,000
--
Roland Perry

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:08:31 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In message <7n4e4hphdo4ga4oorhn33sv916catog6h3@4ax.com>, at 15:58:16 on
>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:37:53 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <iqud4hlmi9qs64loofgota2k74t1uh0qv7@4ax.com>, at 14:18:14 on
>>>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 11:40:42 +0100, Dudbridge Donkey
>>>>> <junk@broadband2k.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/04/2022 08:57, MB wrote:
>>>>>>> ScotRail goes back into public ownership
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60842268
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think of how much better the railways up there will become now hundreds
>>>>>> of millions of pounds a year isn't going to directors and shareholders...
>>>>>>
>>>>> Last I heard, the directors were still getting paid.
>>>>
>>>> Directors of what company? And surely not hundreds of millions!
>>>>
>>> Scottish Rail Holdings Limited (SRH) for a start.
>>
>> As the company is dormant, I hope they aren't being paid much.
>
> The Rail Business Director was advertised at £90-95k according to a
> link now taken down:
> https://www.transport.gov.scot/vacancies/rail-business-director-scottish-rail-holdings/
>
> Better than a slater up yer nose, as we say.

But a pittance for running a nationwide (FSVO nation) transport system,
surely.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
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MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 01/04/2022 11:40, Dudbridge Donkey wrote:
>> Think of how much better the railways up there will become now hundreds
>> of millions of pounds a year isn't going to directors and shareholders...
>
> Probably just disappear into the SNP's coffers like all the other millions.

<https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-snp-ferries-fiasco-has-taken-another-nasty-turn>

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 01:36:48 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 01/04/2022 11:40, Dudbridge Donkey wrote:
>>> Think of how much better the railways up there will become now hundreds
>>> of millions of pounds a year isn't going to directors and shareholders...
>>
>> Probably just disappear into the SNP's coffers like all the other millions.
>
><https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-snp-ferries-fiasco-has-taken-another-nasty-turn>

Yes, it was a work of genius: The buck stops with me. I take full
responsibility. However, for the record it was Derek Mackay that
signed it off.

On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 20:19:30 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
<ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:08:31 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <7n4e4hphdo4ga4oorhn33sv916catog6h3@4ax.com>, at 15:58:16 on
>>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:37:53 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <iqud4hlmi9qs64loofgota2k74t1uh0qv7@4ax.com>, at 14:18:14 on
>>>>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 11:40:42 +0100, Dudbridge Donkey
>>>>>> <junk@broadband2k.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/04/2022 08:57, MB wrote:
>>>>>>>> ScotRail goes back into public ownership
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60842268
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think of how much better the railways up there will become now hundreds
>>>>>>> of millions of pounds a year isn't going to directors and shareholders...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last I heard, the directors were still getting paid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Directors of what company? And surely not hundreds of millions!
>>>>>
>>>> Scottish Rail Holdings Limited (SRH) for a start.
>>>
>>> As the company is dormant, I hope they aren't being paid much.
>>
>> The Rail Business Director was advertised at £90-95k according to a
>> link now taken down:
>> https://www.transport.gov.scot/vacancies/rail-business-director-scottish-rail-holdings/
>>
>> Better than a slater up yer nose, as we say.
>
>But a pittance for running a nationwide (FSVO nation) transport system,
>surely.
>
I suspect this is not the main man. Unfortunately, the link has been
removed but no doubt all will become clear.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 20:19:30 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:08:31 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <7n4e4hphdo4ga4oorhn33sv916catog6h3@4ax.com>, at 15:58:16 on
>>>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:37:53 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <iqud4hlmi9qs64loofgota2k74t1uh0qv7@4ax.com>, at 14:18:14 on
>>>>>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 11:40:42 +0100, Dudbridge Donkey
>>>>>>> <junk@broadband2k.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/04/2022 08:57, MB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ScotRail goes back into public ownership
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60842268
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think of how much better the railways up there will become now hundreds
>>>>>>>> of millions of pounds a year isn't going to directors and shareholders...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last I heard, the directors were still getting paid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Directors of what company? And surely not hundreds of millions!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Scottish Rail Holdings Limited (SRH) for a start.
>>>>
>>>> As the company is dormant, I hope they aren't being paid much.
>>>
>>> The Rail Business Director was advertised at £90-95k according to a
>>> link now taken down:
>>> https://www.transport.gov.scot/vacancies/rail-business-director-scottish-rail-holdings/
>>>
>>> Better than a slater up yer nose, as we say.
>>
>> But a pittance for running a nationwide (FSVO nation) transport system,
>> surely.
>>
> I suspect this is not the main man. Unfortunately, the link has been
> removed but no doubt all will become clear.
>

That title suggests a middle-ranking manager, NOT a top executive.

On 02/04/2022 10:38, Recliner wrote:
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 20:19:30 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:08:31 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <7n4e4hphdo4ga4oorhn33sv916catog6h3@4ax.com>, at 15:58:16 on
>>>>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:37:53 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In message <iqud4hlmi9qs64loofgota2k74t1uh0qv7@4ax.com>, at 14:18:14 on
>>>>>>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 11:40:42 +0100, Dudbridge Donkey
>>>>>>>> <junk@broadband2k.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 01/04/2022 08:57, MB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ScotRail goes back into public ownership
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60842268
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think of how much better the railways up there will become now hundreds
>>>>>>>>> of millions of pounds a year isn't going to directors and shareholders...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Last I heard, the directors were still getting paid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Directors of what company? And surely not hundreds of millions!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scottish Rail Holdings Limited (SRH) for a start.
>>>>>
>>>>> As the company is dormant, I hope they aren't being paid much.
>>>>
>>>> The Rail Business Director was advertised at £90-95k according to a
>>>> link now taken down:
>>>> https://www.transport.gov.scot/vacancies/rail-business-director-scottish-rail-holdings/
>>>>
>>>> Better than a slater up yer nose, as we say.
>>>
>>> But a pittance for running a nationwide (FSVO nation) transport system,
>>> surely.
>>>
>> I suspect this is not the main man. Unfortunately, the link has been
>> removed but no doubt all will become clear.
>>
>
> That title suggests a middle-ranking manager, NOT a top executive.

The Rail Business Director will be the overall
custodian of all Grant Agreements and Framework
Agreements that are in place with TS and
subsidiary companies. They will ensure that
Scottish Rail Holdings (SRH) manages the
subsidiary operations to deliver on their Grant
Agreement obligations and responsibilities including
optimising value for money, along with providing
specialist guidance as required to the teams within
the subsidiary. The Rail Business Director will also
ensure that SRH complies with its obligations under
the Framework Agreement with Transport Scotland.
This role will be a Statutory Director of SRH.

<https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/51017/further-information-pack-rail-business-director-scottish-rail-holdings.pdf>

Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On 02/04/2022 10:38, Recliner wrote:
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 20:19:30 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:08:31 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <7n4e4hphdo4ga4oorhn33sv916catog6h3@4ax.com>, at 15:58:16 on
>>>>>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:37:53 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In message <iqud4hlmi9qs64loofgota2k74t1uh0qv7@4ax.com>, at 14:18:14 on
>>>>>>>> Fri, 1 Apr 2022, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 11:40:42 +0100, Dudbridge Donkey
>>>>>>>>> <junk@broadband2k.plus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/04/2022 08:57, MB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ScotRail goes back into public ownership
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60842268
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Think of how much better the railways up there will become now hundreds
>>>>>>>>>> of millions of pounds a year isn't going to directors and shareholders...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last I heard, the directors were still getting paid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Directors of what company? And surely not hundreds of millions!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scottish Rail Holdings Limited (SRH) for a start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the company is dormant, I hope they aren't being paid much.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Rail Business Director was advertised at £90-95k according to a
>>>>> link now taken down:
>>>>> https://www.transport.gov.scot/vacancies/rail-business-director-scottish-rail-holdings/
>>>>>
>>>>> Better than a slater up yer nose, as we say.
>>>>
>>>> But a pittance for running a nationwide (FSVO nation) transport system,
>>>> surely.
>>>>
>>> I suspect this is not the main man. Unfortunately, the link has been
>>> removed but no doubt all will become clear.
>>>
>>
>> That title suggests a middle-ranking manager, NOT a top executive.
>
> The Rail Business Director will be the overall
> custodian of all Grant Agreements and Framework
> Agreements that are in place with TS and
> subsidiary companies. They will ensure that
> Scottish Rail Holdings (SRH) manages the
> subsidiary operations to deliver on their Grant
> Agreement obligations and responsibilities including
> optimising value for money, along with providing
> specialist guidance as required to the teams within
> the subsidiary. The Rail Business Director will also
> ensure that SRH complies with its obligations under
> the Framework Agreement with Transport Scotland.
> This role will be a Statutory Director of SRH.
>
> <https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/51017/further-information-pack-rail-business-director-scottish-rail-holdings.pdf>
>

So it's basically a civil service accountant job, and nothing to do with
running a railway company?

On 01/04/2022 13:19, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <t26laj$np5$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:48:51 on Fri, 1 Apr 2022,
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Dudbridge Donkey <junk@broadband2k.plus.com> wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2022 08:57, MB wrote:
>>>> ScotRail goes back into public ownership
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60842268
>>>>
>>> Think of how much better the railways up there will become now hundreds
>>> of millions of pounds a year isn't going to directors and shareholders...
>>
>> Perhaps you can tell us which directors and shareholders were collecting
>> hundreds of millions of pounds a year from ScotRail?
>>
>> [Or did I miss an April Fool's joke?]
>
> Whatever it is, we are missing sufficient clues as to whether it's
> sarcasm against the RMT's rather obsolete dogma, or a genuinely held
> belief.
>

I was being very much sarcastic!

Peter (Stroud, Glos)

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