You can clearly see

https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf

The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph limit.
The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.

On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> You can clearly see
>
> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>
> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.

There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
covers over quite a few.

A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
cross them but when trying to walk along them.

On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> >
> > You can clearly see
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> >
> > The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> > that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> > continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> > limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> > lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> > press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
> covers over quite a few.
>
> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
> cross them but when trying to walk along them.

This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.

Mike Collins wrote:
> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>
>>> You can clearly see
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>
>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public
>>> footpath that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding'
>>> motorists continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph
>>> in the 70mph limit. The only solution is to install a traffic
>>> crossing where the lights are green for pedestrians and
>>> motorvehiclists have to stop and press a button then wait 5 mins
>>> for a 10 second green light.
>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built
>> by dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this
>> road covers over quite a few.
>>
>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not
>> properly surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone
>> trying to assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from
>> trying to cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>
> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton
> held a street party when it was opened.
> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
> and pedestrians have right of way
> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
> the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling
> to pay for their anti social habit.

Prick

On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:53:40 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
> Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> >> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You can clearly see
> >>>
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> >>>
> >>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public
> >>> footpath that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding'
> >>> motorists continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph
> >>> in the 70mph limit. The only solution is to install a traffic
> >>> crossing where the lights are green for pedestrians and
> >>> motorvehiclists have to stop and press a button then wait 5 mins
> >>> for a 10 second green light.
> >> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built
> >> by dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this
> >> road covers over quite a few.
> >>
> >> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not
> >> properly surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone
> >> trying to assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from
> >> trying to cross them but when trying to walk along them.
> >
> > This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton
> > held a street party when it was opened.
> > Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
> > and pedestrians have right of way
> > I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
> > the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling
> > to pay for their anti social habit.
> Prick

Reasoned argument, logically presented.

On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>
>>> You can clearly see
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>
>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
>> covers over quite a few.
>>
>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>
> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way

Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
of the new road.

> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.

The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.

On 04/09/2021 08:14 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:53:40 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You can clearly see
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>>>
>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public
>>>>> footpath that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding'
>>>>> motorists continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph
>>>>> in the 70mph limit. The only solution is to install a traffic
>>>>> crossing where the lights are green for pedestrians and
>>>>> motorvehiclists have to stop and press a button then wait 5 mins
>>>>> for a 10 second green light.
>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built
>>>> by dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this
>>>> road covers over quite a few.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not
>>>> properly surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone
>>>> trying to assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from
>>>> trying to cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>>>
>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton
>>> held a street party when it was opened.
>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
>>> and pedestrians have right of way
>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
>>> the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling
>>> to pay for their anti social habit.
>> Prick
>
> Reasoned argument, logically presented.

You obviously agree with the sentiment expressed.

On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> >> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You can clearly see
> >>>
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> >>>
> >>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> >>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> >>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> >>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> >>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> >>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
> >> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
> >> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
> >> covers over quite a few.
> >>
> >> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
> >> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
> >> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
> >> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
> >
> > This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
> > Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
> of the new road.
> > I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.

So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and a gap in the central barrier?

On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You can clearly see
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>>>
>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
>>>> covers over quite a few.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>>>
>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
>> of the new road.
>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
>
> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and a gap in the central barrier?

The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.

Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.

Are you going to give it a go and report back?

On 5/09/21 06:53, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton
>> held a street party when it was opened.
>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
>> and pedestrians have right of way
>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
>> the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling
>> to pay for their anti social habit.
>
> Prick
>
>
The body of mind set a treehouse on fire.

On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> >>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can clearly see
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> >>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> >>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> >>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> >>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> >>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
> >>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
> >>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
> >>>> covers over quite a few.
> >>>>
> >>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
> >>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
> >>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
> >>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
> >>>
> >>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
> >>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
> >> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
> >> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
> >> of the new road.
> >>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
> >> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
> >> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
> >
> > So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and a gap in the central barrier?
> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
>
> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
>
> Are you going to give it a go and report back?

https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn

Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.

On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can clearly see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>>>>>
>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
>>>> of the new road.
>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
>>>
>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and a gap in the central barrier?
>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
>>
>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
>>
>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
>
> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
>
> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.

There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).

If you are insistent to the contrary, don't be so timid. Give it a go,
preferably on your fairy-cycle, and let us all have a report.

On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> >>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You can clearly see
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> >>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> >>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> >>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> >>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> >>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
> >>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
> >>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
> >>>>>> covers over quite a few.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
> >>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
> >>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
> >>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
> >>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
> >>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
> >>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
> >>>> of the new road.
> >>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
> >>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
> >>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
> >>>
> >>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and a gap in the central barrier?
> >> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
> >> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
> >>
> >> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
> >> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
> >>
> >> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
> >
> > Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).

Apart from the gap in the barrier.

>
> fairy-cycle

And lost the argument.

On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
>>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
>>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
>>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
>>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
>>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
>>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
>>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
>>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
>>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
>>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
>>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
>>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
>>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
>>>>>> of the new road.
>>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
>>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
>>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
>>>>>
>>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and a gap in the central barrier?
>>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
>>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
>>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
>>>>
>>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
>>>
>>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.

>> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
>> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
>
> Apart from the gap in the barrier.

There is no gap in the barrier.

>> fairy-cycle
>
> And lost the argument.

<shrug>

On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 23:59:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> >>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> >>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> >>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> >>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> >>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
> >>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
> >>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
> >>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
> >>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
> >>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
> >>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
> >>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
> >>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
> >>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
> >>>>>> of the new road.
> >>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
> >>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
> >>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and a gap in the central barrier?
> >>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
> >>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
> >>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
> >>>
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
> >>>
> >>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
>
> >> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
> >> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
> >
> > Apart from the gap in the barrier.
> There is no gap in the barrier.

Apart from the gap in the barrier which conveniently lines up with the steps on the embankment which conveniently line up with the footpath
Are you suggesting the Highways Agency decided to build steps down both embankments for fun?

On 06/09/2021 12:22 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 23:59:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
>>>>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
>>>>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
>>>>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
>>>>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
>>>>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
>>>>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
>>>>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
>>>>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
>>>>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
>>>>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
>>>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
>>>>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
>>>>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
>>>>>>>> of the new road.
>>>>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
>>>>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
>>>>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and a gap in the central barrier?
>>>>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
>>>>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
>>>>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
>>>>>
>>>>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
>>
>>>> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
>>>> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
>>>
>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier.
>> There is no gap in the barrier.
>
> Apart from the gap in the barrier which conveniently lines up with the steps on the embankment which conveniently line up with the footpath
> Are you suggesting the Highways Agency decided to build steps down both embankments for fun?

There is no gap in the (Armco) barrier.

If there were, you could ride a fairy-cycle across that road.

On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 00:47:46 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> On 06/09/2021 12:22 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 23:59:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> >>>>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> >>>>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> >>>>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> >>>>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> >>>>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
> >>>>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
> >>>>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
> >>>>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
> >>>>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
> >>>>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
> >>>>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
> >>>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road and pedestrians have right of way
> >>>>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
> >>>>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
> >>>>>>>> of the new road.
> >>>>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
> >>>>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
> >>>>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and a gap in the central barrier?
> >>>>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
> >>>>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
> >>>>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
> >>
> >>>> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
> >>>> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
> >>>
> >>> Apart from the gap in the barrier.
> >> There is no gap in the barrier.
> >
> > Apart from the gap in the barrier which conveniently lines up with the steps on the embankment which conveniently line up with the footpath
> > Are you suggesting the Highways Agency decided to build steps down both embankments for fun?
> There is no gap in the (Armco) barrier.
>
Apart from the gap in the (Armco) barrier.

On 6 Sep 2021 at 04:48:32 BST, "Mike Collins" <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 00:47:46 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 06/09/2021 12:22 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 23:59:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
>>>>>>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
>>>>>>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
>>>>>>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and
>>>>>>>>>>> Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
>>>>>>>>>>> and pedestrians have right of way
>>>>>>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
>>>>>>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
>>>>>>>>>> of the new road.
>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
>>>>>>>>>>> the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are
>>>>>>>>>>> unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
>>>>>>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
>>>>>>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and
>>>>>>>>> a gap in the central barrier?
>>>>>>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
>>>>>>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
>>>>>>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier
>>>>>>> aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
>>>>
>>>>>> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
>>>>>> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier.
>>>> There is no gap in the barrier.
>>>
>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier which conveniently lines up with the steps
>>> on the embankment which conveniently line up with the footpath
>>> Are you suggesting the Highways Agency decided to build steps down both
>>> embankments for fun?
>> There is no gap in the (Armco) barrier.
>>
> Apart from the gap in the (Armco) barrier.

I'm afraid I'm not seeing it either.

I'd guess those steps are from the footpath that now lies underneath the
bypass. Looks to be a crazy state of affairs.
--
Cheers, Rob

On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 07:53:57 UTC+1, RJH wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2021 at 04:48:32 BST, "Mike Collins" <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 00:47:46 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 06/09/2021 12:22 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 23:59:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
> >>>>>>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
> >>>>>>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
> >>>>>>>>>>> and pedestrians have right of way
> >>>>>>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
> >>>>>>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
> >>>>>>>>>> of the new road.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
> >>>>>>>>>>> the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are
> >>>>>>>>>>> unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
> >>>>>>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
> >>>>>>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and
> >>>>>>>>> a gap in the central barrier?
> >>>>>>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
> >>>>>>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
> >>>>>>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier
> >>>>>>> aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
> >>>>>> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier.
> >>>> There is no gap in the barrier.
> >>>
> >>> Apart from the gap in the barrier which conveniently lines up with the steps
> >>> on the embankment which conveniently line up with the footpath
> >>> Are you suggesting the Highways Agency decided to build steps down both
> >>> embankments for fun?
> >> There is no gap in the (Armco) barrier.
> >>
> > Apart from the gap in the (Armco) barrier.
> I'm afraid I'm not seeing it either.

https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn

>
> I'd guess those steps are from the footpath that now lies underneath the
> bypass.

No, the steps were only build when the bypass was built. Previously the footpath was on level land.

> Looks to be a crazy state of affairs.

Which does not change the fact pedestrians have right of way over traffic using the bypass.

On 06/09/2021 07:53, RJH wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2021 at 04:48:32 BST, "Mike Collins" <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 00:47:46 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 06/09/2021 12:22 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 23:59:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>> On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
>>>>>>>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
>>>>>>>>>>>> and pedestrians have right of way
>>>>>>>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
>>>>>>>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
>>>>>>>>>>> of the new road.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
>>>>>>>>>>>> the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are
>>>>>>>>>>>> unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
>>>>>>>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
>>>>>>>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and
>>>>>>>>>> a gap in the central barrier?
>>>>>>>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
>>>>>>>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
>>>>>>>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier
>>>>>>>> aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
>>>>>>> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier.
>>>>> There is no gap in the barrier.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier which conveniently lines up with the steps
>>>> on the embankment which conveniently line up with the footpath
>>>> Are you suggesting the Highways Agency decided to build steps down both
>>>> embankments for fun?
>>> There is no gap in the (Armco) barrier.
>>>
>> Apart from the gap in the (Armco) barrier.
>
> I'm afraid I'm not seeing it either.

Space (gap) between 'Armco'. Just takes a bit of meandering to cross!

>
> I'd guess those steps are from the footpath that now lies underneath the
> bypass. Looks to be a crazy state of affairs.
>

On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 08:51:27 UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
> On 06/09/2021 07:53, RJH wrote:
> > On 6 Sep 2021 at 04:48:32 BST, "Mike Collins" <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 00:47:46 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>> On 06/09/2021 12:22 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 23:59:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>> On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and pedestrians have right of way
> >>>>>>>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
> >>>>>>>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
> >>>>>>>>>>> of the new road.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
> >>>>>>>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and
> >>>>>>>>>> a gap in the central barrier?
> >>>>>>>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
> >>>>>>>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
> >>>>>>>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier
> >>>>>>>> aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
> >>>>>>> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier.
> >>>>> There is no gap in the barrier.
> >>>>
> >>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier which conveniently lines up with the steps
> >>>> on the embankment which conveniently line up with the footpath
> >>>> Are you suggesting the Highways Agency decided to build steps down both
> >>>> embankments for fun?
> >>> There is no gap in the (Armco) barrier.
> >>>
> >> Apart from the gap in the (Armco) barrier.
> >
> > I'm afraid I'm not seeing it either.
> Space (gap) between 'Armco'. Just takes a bit of meandering to cross!
> >

ttps://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
There is a paved walkway between the barriers that lines up with the footpath steps.
I am not sure why Pnugs can't see it.

On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 09:52:09 UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 08:51:27 UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
> > On 06/09/2021 07:53, RJH wrote:
> > > On 6 Sep 2021 at 04:48:32 BST, "Mike Collins" <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 00:47:46 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> > >>> On 06/09/2021 12:22 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> > >>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 23:59:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> > >>>>> On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and pedestrians have right of way
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
> > >>>>>>>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
> > >>>>>>>>>>> of the new road.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
> > >>>>>>>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and
> > >>>>>>>>>> a gap in the central barrier?
> > >>>>>>>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
> > >>>>>>>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
> > >>>>>>>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier
> > >>>>>>>> aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
> > >>>>>>> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier.
> > >>>>> There is no gap in the barrier.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier which conveniently lines up with the steps
> > >>>> on the embankment which conveniently line up with the footpath
> > >>>> Are you suggesting the Highways Agency decided to build steps down both
> > >>>> embankments for fun?
> > >>> There is no gap in the (Armco) barrier.
> > >>>
> > >> Apart from the gap in the (Armco) barrier.
> > >
> > > I'm afraid I'm not seeing it either.
> > Space (gap) between 'Armco'. Just takes a bit of meandering to cross!
> > >
> ttps://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
> There is a paved walkway between the barriers that lines up with the footpath steps.
> I am not sure why Pnugs can't see it.

Here is the view from the opposite carriageway for those who can't see it.

https://tinyurl.com/yua4j9df
Rotate the image and you will see the steps.

On 06/09/2021 09:55, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 09:52:09 UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
>> On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 08:51:27 UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
>>> On 06/09/2021 07:53, RJH wrote:
>>>> On 6 Sep 2021 at 04:48:32 BST, "Mike Collins" <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 00:47:46 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 06/09/2021 12:22 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 23:59:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 06:23 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:43:04 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 11:15 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:46:06 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 02:26 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:49:11 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:35 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:15:07 UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 12:12, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can clearly see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2huzjzmf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The A303 Zeals/Bourton bypass has been built across a public footpath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been there for millennia. Yet 'law abiding' motorists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to drive across it at an average speed of 85mph in the 70mph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit. The only solution is to install a traffic crossing where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lights are green for pedestrians and motorvehiclists have to stop and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press a button then wait 5 mins for a 10 second green light.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of similar crossings but as most roads were built by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumping concrete and tarmac over old farm tracks, I expect this road
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> covers over quite a few.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of this happened between the wars and footpaths were not properly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surveyed until 1948. So there is no record to help someone trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assert historic rights. The problem comes not so much from trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cross them but when trying to walk along them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This bypass was built in the 90's, The residents of Zeals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bourton held a street party when it was opened.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact that the footpath was there before the road
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and pedestrians have right of way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correction: pedestrians *had* right of way until that bit of a footpath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was stopped up as part of the legal procedures involved in the planning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose one solution would be to put the bypass in a tunnel under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the footpath but that would cost millions and motorists are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unwilling to pay for their anti social habit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The footpath has been diverted via the grade separated junction of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A303 (with a B road) a little way to the west.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So why are there steps on the embankment both sides of the bypass and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a gap in the central barrier?
>>>>>>>>>>>> The more up-to-date maps show that the footpath has been extinguished in
>>>>>>>>>>>> that area. There is no gap in the central reservation Armco.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone unwise enough to try to cross that road on foot or on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fairy-bike would have to climb over the barrier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to give it a go and report back?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier
>>>>>>>>>>> aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no gap in the barrier (at least, not according to the
>>>>>>>>>> photography on Google Streetview, which you posted).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier.
>>>>>>>> There is no gap in the barrier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apart from the gap in the barrier which conveniently lines up with the steps
>>>>>>> on the embankment which conveniently line up with the footpath
>>>>>>> Are you suggesting the Highways Agency decided to build steps down both
>>>>>>> embankments for fun?
>>>>>> There is no gap in the (Armco) barrier.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from the gap in the (Armco) barrier.
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid I'm not seeing it either.
>>> Space (gap) between 'Armco'. Just takes a bit of meandering to cross!
>>>>
>> ttps://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
>> There is a paved walkway between the barriers that lines up with the footpath steps.
>> I am not sure why Pnugs can't see it.
>
> Here is the view from the opposite carriageway for those who can't see it.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/yua4j9df
> Rotate the image and you will see the steps.
>
Well, once a statement has been made, some find it impossible to concede
that they have made a mistake.

On 05/09/2021 11:15, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn
>
> Steps down the embankment on both sides and a gap in the barrier
> aligning with each steps. It could be not any clearer.

The date on Google Earth shows it as a recent view. A scan along the
road shows several similar crossings. There is one that takes the
pedestrian onto one carriageway but there is no path leading off the
other. There is also at least one single track road that was turned into
two cul-de-sacs.

I drove this way when at Exeter University in the 70s and remember
driving through Mere and Wincanton before the bypass was finished. Yet,
45 years later, the people of Winterbourne-Stoke still have a village
that is cut in two.

On 06/09/2021 09:52, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> ttps://tinyurl.com/4vs4rpsn There is a paved walkway between the
> barriers that lines up with the footpath steps. I am not sure why
> Pnugs can't see it.

His screen is constantly being sprayed with spittle and his glasses are
permanently steamed up.