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* Two teams drawn from England under 26 in 1964 and 2023Robert Henderson
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 `* Re: Two teams drawn from England under 26 in 1964 and 2023John Hall
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Subject: Two teams drawn from England under 26 in 1964 and 2023
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 by: Robert Henderson - Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:28 UTC

Compare and contrast young England sides teams chosen from players in 1964 (to play the travelling the Australians) and a team of English players drawn from those playing 2023, As far as possible I have matched the overall ages of the with both teams. The eldest players being under 26.

Which team do you think is superior and why?
1964
Geoff Boycott
Mike Brearley
Keith Fletcher
Colin Milburn RM
David Green RM/RoB
Mike Griffith wk
Richard Hutton RF
Robin Hobbs LBG
Geof Arnold RFM
David Brown RFM

2023
Finlay Bean (Yorkshire)
Thomas Haines (Sussex) RM
George Hill (Yorkshire) RFM
Harry Brook (Yorrkshire )
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
James Rew (Somerset) wk
James Coles (Sussex) SLA
Jacks (Surrey) RoB
Tom Price (Gloucs) RFH
Tom Lawes (Surrey) RFM
Gus Atkinson (Surrey) RF

RH

Re: Two teams drawn from England under 26 in 1964 and 2023

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Subject: Re: Two teams drawn from England under 26 in 1964 and 2023
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 by: Robert Henderson - Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:40 UTC

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 1:28:28 PM UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> Compare and contrast young England sides teams chosen from players in 1964 (to play the travelling the Australians) and a team of English players drawn from those playing 2023, As far as possible I have matched the overall ages of the with both teams. The eldest players being under 26.
>
> Which team do you think is superior and why?
>
> 1964
> Geoff Boycott
> Mike Brearley
> Keith Fletcher
> Colin Milburn RM
> David Green RM/RoB
> Mike Griffith wk
> Richard Hutton RF
> Robin Hobbs LBG
> Geof Arnold RFM
> David Brown RFM
>
> 2023
> Finlay Bean (Yorkshire)
> Thomas Haines (Sussex) RM
> George Hill (Yorkshire) RFM
> Harry Brook (Yorrkshire )
> Ollie Pope (Surrey)
> James Rew (Somerset) wk
> James Coles (Sussex) SLA
> Jacks (Surrey) RoB
> Tom Price (Gloucs) RFH
> Tom Lawes (Surrey) RFM
> Gus Atkinson (Surrey) RF
>
> RH
Sorry. I missed Roger Harman of Surrey from the 1964 team. RH

Re: Two teams drawn from England under 26 in 1964 and 2023

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Subject: Re: Two teams drawn from England under 26 in 1964 and 2023
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 by: John Hall - Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:48 UTC

In message <34fc6c7a-c908-47b8-b9de-aaa104be8230n@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Henderson <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 1:28:280 >> Compare and contrast young England sides teams chosen from players in
>>1964 (to play the travelling the Australians) and a team of English
>>players drawn from those playing 2023, As far as possible I have
>>matched the overall ages of the with both teams. The eldest players
>>being under 26.
>>
>> Which team do you think is superior and why?
>>
>> 1964
>> Geoff Boycott
>> Mike Brearley
>> Keith Fletcher
>> Colin Milburn RM
>> David Green RM/RoB
>> Mike Griffith wk
>> Richard Hutton RF
>> Robin Hobbs LBG
>> Geof Arnold RFM
>> David Brown RFM
>>
>> 2023
>> Finlay Bean (Yorkshire)
>> Thomas Haines (Sussex) RM
>> George Hill (Yorkshire) RFM
>> Harry Brook (Yorrkshire )
>> Ollie Pope (Surrey)
>> James Rew (Somerset) wk
>> James Coles (Sussex) SLA
>> Jacks (Surrey) RoB
>> Tom Price (Gloucs) RFH
>> Tom Lawes (Surrey) RFM
>> Gus Atkinson (Surrey) RF
>>
>> RH
>Sorry. I missed Roger Harman of Surrey from the 1964 team. RH

A fair comparison is impossible. We know how good the players in the
1964 side eventually became, but we have no way of knowing how good your
2023 XI might ultimately become. Eight of the 1964 side played for
England, though I think only Boycott had done so at the time that side
was chosen. Only three of your modern XI have yet done so, though no
doubt more of them will do so in future. (Had you been willing to
include Reham Ahmed, there would have been one more.)
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

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Subject: Re: Two teams drawn from England under 26 in 1964 and 2023
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 by: Robert Henderson - Thu, 13 Jul 2023 17:15 UTC

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:59:21 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <34fc6c7a-c908-47b8...@googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Henderson <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 1:28:280 >> Compare and contrast young England sides teams chosen from players in
> >>1964 (to play the travelling the Australians) and a team of English
> >>players drawn from those playing 2023, As far as possible I have
> >>matched the overall ages of the with both teams. The eldest players
> >>being under 26.
> >>
> >> Which team do you think is superior and why?
> >>
> >> 1964
> >> Geoff Boycott
> >> Mike Brearley
> >> Keith Fletcher
> >> Colin Milburn RM
> >> David Green RM/RoB
> >> Mike Griffith wk
> >> Richard Hutton RF
> >> Robin Hobbs LBG
> >> Geof Arnold RFM
> >> David Brown RFM
> >>
> >> 2023
> >> Finlay Bean (Yorkshire)
> >> Thomas Haines (Sussex) RM
> >> George Hill (Yorkshire) RFM
> >> Harry Brook (Yorrkshire )
> >> Ollie Pope (Surrey)
> >> James Rew (Somerset) wk
> >> James Coles (Sussex) SLA
> >> Jacks (Surrey) RoB
> >> Tom Price (Gloucs) RFH
> >> Tom Lawes (Surrey) RFM
> >> Gus Atkinson (Surrey) RF
> >>
> >> RH
> >Sorry. I missed Roger Harman of Surrey from the 1964 team. RH
> A fair comparison is impossible. We know how good the players in the
> 1964 side eventually became, but we have no way of knowing how good your
> 2023 XI might ultimately become. Eight of the 1964 side played for
> England, though I think only Boycott had done so at the time that side
> was chosen. Only three of your modern XI have yet done so, though no
> doubt more of them will do so in future. (Had you been willing to
> include Reham Ahmed, there would have been one more.)
> --
> John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
> like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
> its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
> Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

But what would you feel in your bones having considered the matter? RH

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