On 16/09/2021 16:54, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:06:17 +0100
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> On 15/09/2021 16:00, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:34:43 +0100
>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course you will complain that I've anonymised my details - of
>>>>> course I have, I'm not prepared to put my private details online even
>>>>> for the pleasure of ramming them down your throat, or up your arse,
>>>>> whichever you're speaking out of today ...
>>>>>
>>>>> www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/DegreeCert.png
>>>>> www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/AcademicRecord.png
>>>
>>> The OU! LOL :) Might as well be the university of upper congo! Assuming
>>> they're even real.
>>
>> Nyah! Nyah! They're obviously better qualification than you have,
>> because you were the one that started this topic, but once I'd revealed
>> mine became strangely too embarrassed to tell us what yours are. Tell
>
> I have no intention of giving out private details on a public forum. You did

I didn't, I anonymised them.

> but then you're an idiot.

Funny how the so-called idiot seems to have much better qualifications
than the real idiot calling him that.

>>>> so that others need not feel uncomfortable or disturbed by being in the
>>>> same space as someone not wearing a mask.
>>>
>>> Aww, diddums is disturbed? Poppet :)
>>
>> Go back to kindergarten until you've learnt to read, I wrote "so that
>> *OTHERS* need not feel uncomfortable or disturbed by being in the same
>> space as someone not wearing a mask."
>
> That "others" is obviously you given what you've said in the past. Unless
> you're so hideously ugly that people run screaming when they see you unmasked.

It's because others have to share public spaces with me, I with them,
and, unlike the self-confessed selfish shit that is you, I consider it
both desirable as well as good manners to conform with accepted medical
advice during a pandemic.

>>> Did it when I was a teenager. Les Arc was nice. No more dangerous than
>> cycling
>>> on a main road if you pay attention.
>>
>> Doesn't sound exactly as though you were going down a black slope at
>> about 40-50mph.
>
> I'm not suicidal.

Nor am I, but going fast down a black slope has its dangers as well as
its thrills.

>>> So what? Infection isn't illness.
>>
>> If you'd bothered to look at the second of those two links, you'd have
>> seen that the hospitalisation and death rates are increasing again, and
>> that the latter has risen above the five most recent years' average
>> again, meaning people are avoidably dying again. That sounds like
>> illness to me.
>
> People die. Get over it. The average age of a covid victim is 82. Its just
> pruning the elderly like any other disease.

But they don't usually die unnecessarily and avoidably because selfish
shits like behave irresponsibly.

>>> I like 99.9% of every other adult in this
>>> country is infected with chicken pox. Get a grip.
>>
>> Presumably you mean 'was', but you recovered, as did I, but wrt covid-19
>> many have not been so lucky, and are continuing to be not so lucky.
>
> The chicken pox virus stays in the body for life and occasionally pops up
> again as shingles when someone is low. A genius like you should have known
> that.
>
> As for me being lucky, luck doesn't come into it. Its clear now a tiny minority
> of people are genetically susceptable to this virus. Most of us arn't. Plus I've
> had my jabs anyway if only to keep Mr Customs Officer happy.
Where is your *EVIDENCE* for this assertion? Yes there is some genetic
pre-disposition, but AIUI that is far from the whole story.

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On 16/09/2021 17:07, Max Demian wrote:

> You are sounding like someone who would marvel at a piece of toast
> bearing an image of Christ.

Or a piece of popadom that is shaped like South America or France

Actually, scrub that. They all do.

"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:37:08 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The is, I believe a case for very unique, consider a set of glass marbles
>>with random coloured glass inserts. Each one is unique. Then consider one
>>with, say, a chance perfect geometric insert. That would be very unique.
>
> No. It's either unique or it isn't. See my full explanation nearby.

I suppose the only way that you can have several things that are all unique
and yet identical is if it is the *design* that is unique: if everyone made
vacuum cleaners that used a bag of some form, when the first bagless cyclone
vacuum cleaner came out, it was an unique design, although lots of copies of
that vac were made. Those vacs were not unique (there were lots of them. all
identical) but they were of a unique design (no other company made any
similar).

But I agree that "unique" is an attribute of the same form as "pregnant" - a
woman cannot be "almost pregnant" or "nearly pregnant".

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 18:03:42 +0100
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>On 16/09/2021 16:54, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>> People die. Get over it. The average age of a covid victim is 82. Its just
>> pruning the elderly like any other disease.
>
>But they don't usually die unnecessarily and avoidably because selfish
>shits like behave irresponsibly.

I wonder how many elderly have died of flu they've picked up out in public
places long before neurotics like you started wearing masks.

>> As for me being lucky, luck doesn't come into it. Its clear now a tiny
>minority
>> of people are genetically susceptable to this virus. Most of us arn't. Plus
>I've
>> had my jabs anyway if only to keep Mr Customs Officer happy.
>Where is your *EVIDENCE* for this assertion? Yes there is some genetic
>pre-disposition, but AIUI that is far from the whole story.

What other factors are going to be involved in that some healthy people die of
it within a few days whereas others, even unhealthy ones, barely even notice
having it? If thats not a genetic predisposition I'd love to hear your theory.

On 17/09/2021 10:16, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 18:03:42 +0100
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> On 16/09/2021 16:54, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>>>
>>> People die. Get over it. The average age of a covid victim is 82. Its just
>>> pruning the elderly like any other disease.
>>
>> But they don't usually die unnecessarily and avoidably because selfish
>> shits like you behave irresponsibly.
>
> I wonder how many elderly have died of flu they've picked up out in public
> places long before neurotics like you started wearing masks.

Probably too many, there's not much that can be said in favour of the
pandemic, but more widespread wearing of masks may be one.

>>> As for me being lucky, luck doesn't come into it. Its clear now a tiny
>> minority
>>> of people are genetically susceptable to this virus. Most of us arn't. Plus
>> I've
>>> had my jabs anyway if only to keep Mr Customs Officer happy.
>> Where is your *EVIDENCE* for this assertion? Yes there is some genetic
>> pre-disposition, but AIUI that is far from the whole story.
>
> What other factors are going to be involved in that some healthy people die of
> it within a few days whereas others, even unhealthy ones, barely even notice
> having it? If thats not a genetic predisposition I'd love to hear your theory.

Public debate doesn't work like that - I'm already aware of some
evidence of genetic pre-disposition, but nothing to match the scale of
your unsubstantiated claim, and you're the one who's making the
unsubstantiated claim, therefore you're the one that needs to provide
the evidence in support of it.

During the early days and since of public understanding of Darwinian
selection, it was widely claimed by very rich people in an attempt to
justify their wealth that they were simply the product of Darwinian
evolution. The Nazis justified their gassing of 6m Jews and others
partly by claiming genetic superiority over them. Now you're doing much
the same sort of thing in justifying your own selfishness by claiming
that the people your selfishnes might kill are genetically pre-disposed
to be killed anyway. No-one is fooled. The simple truth is that you're
a selfish shit.

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:01 +0100
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>On 17/09/2021 10:16, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>> I wonder how many elderly have died of flu they've picked up out in public
>> places long before neurotics like you started wearing masks.
>
>Probably too many, there's not much that can be said in favour of the
>pandemic, but more widespread wearing of masks may be one.

Sure, why not mandate hazmat suits and social distancing forever too.

Life has risks, deal.

>> What other factors are going to be involved in that some healthy people die
>of
>> it within a few days whereas others, even unhealthy ones, barely even notice
>> having it? If thats not a genetic predisposition I'd love to hear your
>theory.
>
>Public debate doesn't work like that - I'm already aware of some
>evidence of genetic pre-disposition, but nothing to match the scale of
>your unsubstantiated claim, and you're the one who's making the
>unsubstantiated claim, therefore you're the one that needs to provide
>the evidence in support of it.

The evidence is there's nothing else to explain it. Even a fool like you
can see that.

>During the early days and since of public understanding of Darwinian
>selection, it was widely claimed by very rich people in an attempt to
>justify their wealth that they were simply the product of Darwinian
>evolution. The Nazis justified their gassing of 6m Jews and others
>partly by claiming genetic superiority over them. Now you're doing much
>the same sort of thing in justifying your own selfishness by claiming
>that the people your selfishnes might kill are genetically pre-disposed
>to be killed anyway. No-one is fooled. The simple truth is that you're
>a selfish shit.

Ah, we've finally reached Stage Godwin with you conflating eugenics with
genetic predisposition to disease. How pathetic.

Anyway, you lose, thanks for playing! :)

On 17/09/2021 17:22, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:30:01 +0100
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> On 17/09/2021 10:16, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder how many elderly have died of flu they've picked up out in public
>>> places long before neurotics like you started wearing masks.
>>
>> Probably too many, there's not much that can be said in favour of the
>> pandemic, but more widespread wearing of masks may be one.
>
> Sure, why not mandate hazmat suits and social distancing forever too.
>
> Life has risks, deal.

Many of those risks are avoidable by good public-spirited behaviour.
Grow up and learn to be more socially-minded.

>>> What other factors are going to be involved in that some healthy people die
>> of
>>> it within a few days whereas others, even unhealthy ones, barely even notice
>>> having it? If thats not a genetic predisposition I'd love to hear your
>> theory.
>>
>> Public debate doesn't work like that - I'm already aware of some
>> evidence of genetic pre-disposition, but nothing to match the scale of
>> your unsubstantiated claim, and you're the one who's making the
>> unsubstantiated claim, therefore you're the one that needs to provide
>> the evidence in support of it.
>
> The evidence is there's nothing else to explain it. Even a fool like you
> can see that.

Nonsense, there are all sorts of other environmental and life-history
factors which might explain it. A fool like you can't see that, or
rather won't admit it, because it means you losing yet another argument.

>> During the early days and since of public understanding of Darwinian
>> selection, it was widely claimed by very rich people in an attempt to
>> justify their wealth that they were simply the product of Darwinian
>> evolution. The Nazis justified their gassing of 6m Jews and others
>> partly by claiming genetic superiority over them. Now you're doing much
>> the same sort of thing in justifying your own selfishness by claiming
>> that the people your selfishnes might kill are genetically pre-disposed
>> to be killed anyway. No-one is fooled. The simple truth is that you're
>> a selfish shit.
>
> Ah, we've finally reached Stage Godwin with you conflating eugenics with
> genetic predisposition to disease. How pathetic.

Stay in after kindergarten and write out 1,000 times: "When I try to
cover up losing an argument by abuse, no-one is fooled!"

> Anyway, you lose, thanks for playing! :)

You lost this one way, way back, no-one is fooled by your childish
refusal to admit it.

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 18:40:02 +0100
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>On 17/09/2021 17:22, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>> Sure, why not mandate hazmat suits and social distancing forever too.
>>
>> Life has risks, deal.
>
>Many of those risks are avoidable by good public-spirited behaviour.
>Grow up and learn to be more socially-minded.

Grow up and accept you're mortal. Hiding away won't save you.

>> The evidence is there's nothing else to explain it. Even a fool like you
>> can see that.
>
>Nonsense, there are all sorts of other environmental and life-history
>factors which might explain it. A fool like you can't see that, or

Go on then, give a list of what other factors might cause an otherwise
perfectly healthy adult to die of covid. Here's your chance to shine.

>> Ah, we've finally reached Stage Godwin with you conflating eugenics with
>> genetic predisposition to disease. How pathetic.
>
>Stay in after kindergarten and write out 1,000 times: "When I try to
>cover up losing an argument by abuse, no-one is fooled!"
>
>> Anyway, you lose, thanks for playing! :)
>
>You lost this one way, way back, no-one is fooled by your childish
>refusal to admit it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

HTH

On 18/09/2021 10:02, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 18:40:02 +0100
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 17:22, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>>> Sure, why not mandate hazmat suits and social distancing forever too.
>>>
>>> Life has risks, deal.
>>
>> Many of those risks are avoidable by good public-spirited behaviour.
>> Grow up and learn to be more socially-minded.
>
> Grow up and accept you're mortal. Hiding away won't save you.

Grow up and learn to counter an argument with a relevant response.
Hint: the above is not.

>>> The evidence is there's nothing else to explain it. Even a fool like you
>>> can see that.
>>
>> Nonsense, there are all sorts of other environmental and life-history
>> factors which might explain it. A fool like you can't see that, or
>
> Go on then, give a list of what other factors might cause an otherwise
> perfectly healthy adult to die of covid. Here's your chance to shine.

That's a contradiction in the very question, define 'perfectly healthy
adult', would that be an absence of covid-19 by any chance? There are
many factors that effect a person's susceptibility to disease generally,
and therefore covid-19 in particular, too many to list in fact, but
including: previous medical history, state of mental health, diet, need
to travel on public transport, place of residence and sharing of housing
under what sort of conditions, etc, etc.

>>> Ah, we've finally reached Stage Godwin with you conflating eugenics with
>>> genetic predisposition to disease. How pathetic.
>>
>> Stay in after kindergarten and write out 1,000 times: "When I try to
>> cover up losing an argument by abuse, no-one is fooled!"
>>
>>> Anyway, you lose, thanks for playing! :)
>>
>> You lost this one way, way back, no-one is fooled by your childish
>> refusal to admit it.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

So, if you want to avoid it, don't be childish in trying to prolong a
lost argument! In simple terms, when you're in a hole, stop digging!
However much you may try and wriggle, the fact remains that you did try
to justify your own selfish behaviour on genetic grounds.

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On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 14:51:50 +0100
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>On 18/09/2021 10:02, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>> Go on then, give a list of what other factors might cause an otherwise
>> perfectly healthy adult to die of covid. Here's your chance to shine.
>
>That's a contradiction in the very question, define 'perfectly healthy

No it isn't. Healthy people can get ill because part of the definition of
health is ... Tada! - not ill! Who knew!

>adult', would that be an absence of covid-19 by any chance? There are

Yeeees, do you understand the concept of before and after? Or is this getting
too complicated for your ickle wickle brain?

>many factors that effect a person's susceptibility to disease generally,
>and therefore covid-19 in particular, too many to list in fact, but
>including: previous medical history, state of mental health, diet, need

If they have any medical issues they're by definition not perfectly healthy
so don't be twat.

>to travel on public transport, place of residence and sharing of housing
>under what sort of conditions, etc, etc.

Utterly irrelevant. Either someone is healthy or they arn't.

Clearly you have no valid counter argument but are so desperate to win you'll
spout any old guff. So no change there then.
>>> You lost this one way, way back, no-one is fooled by your childish
>>> refusal to admit it.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
>
>So, if you want to avoid it, don't be childish in trying to prolong a
>lost argument! In simple terms, when you're in a hole, stop digging!
>However much you may try and wriggle, the fact remains that you did try
>to justify your own selfish behaviour on genetic grounds.

Godwins law - you lost the argument big time. Suck it up grandad.

On 18/09/2021 15:20, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 14:51:50 +0100
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> On 18/09/2021 10:02, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Go on then, give a list of what other factors might cause an otherwise
>>> perfectly healthy adult to die of covid. Here's your chance to shine.

There followed another pathetic attempt by our resident baby-talker to
muddy the waters by fucking up the quoting, so here is the point again:

That's a contradiction in the very question, define 'perfectly healthy
adult', would that be an absence of covid-19 by any chance? There are
many factors that effect a person's susceptibility to disease generally,
and therefore covid-19 in particular, too many to list in fact, but
including: previous medical history, state of mental health, diet, need
to travel on public transport, place of residence and sharing of housing
under what sort of conditions, etc, etc.

>> That's a contradiction in the very question, define 'perfectly healthy
>
> No it isn't. Healthy people can get ill because part of the definition of
> health is ... Tada! - not ill! Who knew!

So define 'not ill'! ... Tada! You haven't defined or clarified
anything by simply inverting the question!

>> adult', would that be an absence of covid-19 by any chance? There are
>
> Yeeees, do you understand the concept of before and after? Or is this getting
> too complicated for your ickle wickle brain?

The point that your ickle wickle brain seems unable to grasp is that
your question is typical of a bigoted viewpoint in that it is so phrased
as to elicit a particular answer, but actually tells us nothing
meaningful or useful about the real world, only about the bigotry of the
person who posed the bigoted question. In reality, there's probably no
such thing as 'a perfectly healthy person', and simply inverting the
question by defining one as somebody who is 'not ill' doesn't help,
because you haven't defined what 'being ill' is either.

>> many factors that effect a person's susceptibility to disease generally,
>> and therefore covid-19 in particular, too many to list in fact, but
>> including: previous medical history, state of mental health, diet, need
>
> If they have any medical issues they're by definition not perfectly healthy
> so don't be twat.

I didn't say 'having medical issues' I said 'previous medical history'
so you're the twat. Your attempt to rule that out probably rules out
90% of the population, because most of us have a previous medical
history where some sort of contact with a medic has been required.

>> to travel on public transport, place of residence and sharing of housing
>> under what sort of conditions, etc, etc.
>
> Utterly irrelevant. Either someone is healthy or they arn't.

No, that's the point your ickle wickle brain seems unable to grasp,
health is not a binary condition, it's a continuum.

> Clearly you have no valid counter argument but are so desperate to win you'll
> spout any old guff. So no change there then.

Another example of the now well-established pattern of you accusing
others of having your own proven faults.

>>>> You lost this one way, way back, no-one is fooled by your childish
>>>> refusal to admit it.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
>>
>> So, if you want to avoid it, don't be childish in trying to prolong a
>> lost argument! In simple terms, when you're in a hole, stop digging!
>> However much you may try and wriggle, the fact remains that you did try
>> to justify your own selfish behaviour on genetic grounds.
>
> Godwins law - you lost the argument big time. Suck it up grandad.

It's not a scientific law, so cannot be used to claim 'winning' an
argument, though perhaps it says something commonplace about the way
bigoted people like yourself tend to argue - either way, the fact
remains that you tried, just like the Nazis, to justify your own selfish
behaviour on genetic grounds.

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On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 15:48:53 +0100
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>On 18/09/2021 15:20, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 14:51:50 +0100
>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 18/09/2021 10:02, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Go on then, give a list of what other factors might cause an otherwise
>>>> perfectly healthy adult to die of covid. Here's your chance to shine.
>
>There followed another pathetic attempt by our resident baby-talker to
>muddy the waters by fucking up the quoting, so here is the point again:

As Mark Twain said, never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their
level and beat you with experience. And I'm tired of arguing with you, you're
so full of shit.

Feel free to have the last word.

On 19/09/2021 12:02, HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com wrote:
>
> As Mark Twain said, never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their
> level and beat you with experience. And I'm tired of arguing with you, you're
> so full of shit.

Yet another example of you accusing others of having your own worst faults.

> Feel free to have the last word.

Indeed, I just did.

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On 09/09/2021 03:08, williamwright wrote:
> On 08/09/2021 20:18, John Williamson wrote:
>> Freesat only requires the equivalent of a new TV aerial which can be
>> mounted at or just above ground level in many cases, and a cheap
>> decoder (Many modern sets include such a decoder as part of their
>> circuitry) and there are very few channels, if any, on Freeview that
>> are not on Freesat, from what I remember. If you want subscription
>> services, (Which need a satellite dish or decent broadband anyway) all
>> you need is a card to put in the slot and maybe slightly redirect the
>> dish, unless things have changed lately. My not very smart and cheap
>> decoder could record to a USB stick quite happily.
>
> Oh I just can't be bothered.
>
> Bill
"out of touch" is the phrase you're looking for Bill.

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On 13/10/2021 17:13, Kellerman wrote:
> On 09/09/2021 03:08, williamwright wrote:
>> On 08/09/2021 20:18, John Williamson wrote:
>>> Freesat only requires the equivalent of a new TV aerial which can be
>>> mounted at or just above ground level in many cases, and a cheap
>>> decoder (Many modern sets include such a decoder as part of their
>>> circuitry) and there are very few channels, if any, on Freeview that
>>> are not on Freesat, from what I remember. If you want subscription
>>> services, (Which need a satellite dish or decent broadband anyway)
>>> all you need is a card to put in the slot and maybe slightly redirect
>>> the dish, unless things have changed lately. My not very smart and
>>> cheap decoder could record to a USB stick quite happily.
>>
>> Oh I just can't be bothered.
>>
>> Bill
> "out of touch" is the phrase you're looking for Bill.
>
> Dave
>
For the avoidance of doubt, I meant that I couldn't be bothered to
correct all the errors.

Bill