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   ||`* No travel problemsmartin.coffee
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   |  `- No travel problemsKen
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Subject: No travel problems
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 by: Tweed - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 20:57 UTC

Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.

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From: recliner...@gmail.com (Recliner)
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Subject: Re: No travel problems
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 21:42:33 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Recliner - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 21:42 UTC

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.

How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
again.

But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
shortages in baggage handling?

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Subject: Re: No travel problems
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 by: martin.c...@round-midnight.org.uk - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 22:31 UTC

On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>
> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
> again.
>
> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
> shortages in baggage handling?
>
A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
weeks ago.

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 by: Recliner - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 22:44 UTC

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>>
>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>> again.
>>
>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>
> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
> weeks ago.
>

Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots. Apparently the
security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The airports
had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has suddenly
ramped back up.

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Subject: Re: No travel problems
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 by: Tweed - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 06:19 UTC

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>
> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
> again.
>
> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
> shortages in baggage handling?
>
>

Funchal passport queue was about 10 minutes if that. Chap was very
efficient with his stamp. Did insist masks were removed though for
identification. I guess it helps it was basically a plane load of Brits and
EU. Nobody from the wider world with complicated or invalid visas to hold
things up.

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 by: Tweed - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 06:26 UTC

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>>>
>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>> again.
>>>
>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>
>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>> weeks ago.
>>
>
> Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots. Apparently the
> security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The airports
> had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
> closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has suddenly
> ramped back up.
>
>

Nit sure if it is an Easter holidays effect, but there wasn’t much demand
for our Thameslink train through the core yesterday at around 1730. I was
expecting hoards to get on Blackfriars northwards, but no.

Interestingly the fare from Gatwick to St Pancras was marked not
Underground. To be honest I can’t see why anyone would want to go via the
Underground. It is an efficient service via London Bridge, Blackfriars and
onto St Pancras.

Presumably the lights on the 700s are battery backed, as there’s no flicker
or drop out during the switch from third rail to overhead.

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 by: Graeme Wall - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 06:41 UTC

On 13/04/2022 23:44, Recliner wrote:
> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>>>
>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>> again.
>>>
>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>
>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>> weeks ago.
>>
>
> Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots. Apparently the
> security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The airports
> had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
> closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has suddenly
> ramped back up.
>

Who would have expected that so many people would want to go on holiday
over Easter?

--
Graeme Wall
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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 23:44, Recliner wrote:
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>>>>
>>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
>>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
>>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
>>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
>>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>>
>>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>>> weeks ago.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots. Apparently the
>> security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The airports
>> had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
>> closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has suddenly
>> ramped back up.
>>
>
> Who would have expected that so many people would want to go on holiday
> over Easter?
>

I’ve some sympathy for the airlines and airports but they are authors of
their own doom to some extent. There wasn’t a huge amount of support from
government so staff had to be made redundant. Getting them all back,
trained and security cleared isn’t easy, especially as,it wasn’t 100% clear
that we would be travelling largely restriction free by Easter.
(Interestingly nobody wanted to see my vaccine passes to or from Madeira).
However, lots of airport staff are paid minimum wage and have to get
themselves to and from the airport, presumably at their own expense. Lots
of these folk have found better paid jobs nearer to home. I think a recent
newspaper article showed the person operating the air stairs got paid less
than a Lidl checkout operator. Unfortunately we’ve run out of EU nationals
to exploit.

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 by: Clive Page - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 09:51 UTC

On 14/04/2022 07:53, Tweed wrote:
> I’ve some sympathy for the airlines and airports but they are authors of
> their own doom to some extent. There wasn’t a huge amount of support from
> government so staff had to be made redundant. Getting them all back,
> trained and security cleared isn’t easy, especially as,it wasn’t 100% clear
> that we would be travelling largely restriction free by Easter.
> (Interestingly nobody wanted to see my vaccine passes to or from Madeira).
> However, lots of airport staff are paid minimum wage and have to get
> themselves to and from the airport, presumably at their own expense. Lots
> of these folk have found better paid jobs nearer to home. I think a recent
> newspaper article showed the person operating the air stairs got paid less
> than a Lidl checkout operator. Unfortunately we’ve run out of EU nationals
> to exploit.

One of the papers (can't recall which) had a good cartoon the other day "We *have* implemented a no-fly zone: it's called Gatwick".

Actually we've just got back from a short trip to Venice and back - 17 trains in total. Our only problems were at St.Pancras Eurostar terminal: they now suggest getting there 90 minutes before your departure, which rather makes the vast sums spent on reducing the London-Paris travel time from three hours to two and a quarter something of a waste, when the check-in period is extended from 30 minutes to 90. In fact it only took ~25 minute to go through security there and there were no delays when getting back to St.Pancras at the end.

Total check-in time and time spent in security queues when boarding trains crossing borders from France-Switzerland, Switzerland-Italy, Italy-Switzerland, and Switzerland-France: zero. Number of times we had to show passports and Covid-19 vaccination certificates: zero. Surely full UK membership of Schengen would be a huge benefit to everyone who ever goes abroad?

All 17 trains were on time (within a minute or two), and all connections, even the 8 minute ones, worked fine. The departure of one Swiss train was held by a couple of minutes because of the late arrival of a connecting train (not one we were on) so that all passengers could transfer. Such a refreshing change from travelling on UK trains.

Of course the trip cost more then if we had used EasyJet/Ryanair, but we saw a whole lot more scenery and there was zero risk of us being separated from our luggage.

--
Clive Page

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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:05 UTC

In message <t38epp$d2u$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:26:01 on Thu, 14 Apr
2022, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:

>Nit sure if it is an Easter holidays effect, but there wasn’t much demand
>for our Thameslink train through the core yesterday at around 1730. I was
>expecting hoards to get on Blackfriars northwards, but no.
>
>Interestingly the fare from Gatwick to St Pancras was marked not
>Underground. To be honest I can’t see why anyone would want to go via the
>Underground. It is an efficient service via London Bridge, Blackfriars and
>onto St Pancras.

It's probably a generic thing for cross-London tickets.

People might for example think about using the Northern Line to get from
Kings Cross to London Bridge, but for whatever reason if the ticket is
priced "Not Underground" they'd have to use exclusive National Rail,
possibly with a change at Blackfriars.

Historically, some people might have taken the Met/Circle to Farringdon
and changed there to Thameslink for Gatwick.

--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:11 UTC

In message <t38ge2$mp9$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:53:54 on Thu, 14 Apr
2022, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:

>I’ve some sympathy for the airlines and airports but they are authors of
>their own doom to some extent. There wasn’t a huge amount of support from
>government so staff had to be made redundant. Getting them all back,
>trained and security cleared isn’t easy, especially as,it wasn’t 100% clear
>that we would be travelling largely restriction free by Easter.
>(Interestingly nobody wanted to see my vaccine passes to or from Madeira).
>However, lots of airport staff are paid minimum wage and have to get
>themselves to and from the airport, presumably at their own expense.

Heathrow Connect was largely for the convenience of airport workers, and
I think they had a concessionary fare on top. Luton Airport staff could
get the shuttle bus from Luton Airport parkway free of charge.

The rail corridor at Gatwick is rather narrow, and I don't know how many
workers it could service. Stansted used to bus employees from places
like Braintree (local affordable housing being scarce).
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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:20 UTC

In message <jbq95gFjn1iU1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:51:44 on Thu, 14
Apr 2022, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> remarked:
>Total check-in time and time spent in security queues when boarding
>trains crossing borders from France-Switzerland, Switzerland-Italy,
>Italy-Switzerland, and Switzerland-France: zero. Number of times we
>had to show passports and Covid-19 vaccination certificates: zero.
>Surely full UK membership of Schengen would be a huge benefit to
>everyone who ever goes abroad?

Indeed it would, just like adoption of the Euro as our currency. But
both have downsides for other sections of the population.

>All 17 trains were on time (within a minute or two), and all
>connections, even the 8 minute ones, worked fine. The departure of one
>Swiss train was held by a couple of minutes because of the late arrival
>of a connecting train (not one we were on) so that all passengers could
>transfer. Such a refreshing change from travelling on UK trains.

Yes, Swiss rail travel is more reliable like that, but at the cost of
more relaxed schedules for people in a hurry.
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 by: Graham Harrison - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:10 UTC

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 23:31:48 +0100,
martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:

>On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>>
>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>> again.
>>
>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>
>A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>weeks ago.

Many years ago I took my tandem on a Trident Shuttle (shows you how
long ago!) Heathrow/Glasgow. As we taxied in at Glasgow the captain
announced the baggage handlers were on strike and would some of us
volunteer to do the job. I climbed up into the belly to find no more
than half a dozen cases in one part and my tandem, looking lonely, in
another. By the time I'd got the tandem out into the tarmac we were
the last passengers off the plane and they'd locked us out of the
terminal!

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On 14/04/2022 07:41, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 23:44, Recliner wrote:
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St
>>>>> Pancras and
>>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes.
>>>>> EasyJet didn’t
>>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all
>>>>> working.
>>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story
>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue?  I
>>>> waited a
>>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last
>>>> month.
>>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use
>>>> them.
>>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe
>>>> staff
>>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>>
>>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>>> weeks ago.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots.
>> Apparently the
>> security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The
>> airports
>> had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
>> closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has
>> suddenly
>> ramped back up.
>>
>
> Who would have expected that so many people would want to go on holiday
> over Easter?
>
I blame the airports. They shouldn't have allowed the plane operators
to book more slots than they could cope with.

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 by: Tweed - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:44 UTC

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 07:41, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 23:44, Recliner wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St
>>>>>> Pancras and
>>>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes.
>>>>>> EasyJet didn’t
>>>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all
>>>>>> working.
>>>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue?  I
>>>>> waited a
>>>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last
>>>>> month.
>>>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use
>>>>> them.
>>>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe
>>>>> staff
>>>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>>>
>>>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>>>> weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots.
>>> Apparently the
>>> security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The
>>> airports
>>> had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
>>> closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has
>>> suddenly
>>> ramped back up.
>>>
>>
>> Who would have expected that so many people would want to go on holiday
>> over Easter?
>>
> I blame the airports. They shouldn't have allowed the plane operators
> to book more slots than they could cope with.
>

Ultimately Brexit is to blame as we’ve lost a flexible young and often well
educated workforce.

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 by: Recliner - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:01 UTC

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:34:54 +0100, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:

>On 14/04/2022 07:41, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 23:44, Recliner wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St
>>>>>> Pancras and
>>>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes.
>>>>>> EasyJet didn’t
>>>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all
>>>>>> working.
>>>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue?  I
>>>>> waited a
>>>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last
>>>>> month.
>>>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use
>>>>> them.
>>>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe
>>>>> staff
>>>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>>>
>>>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>>>> weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots.
>>> Apparently the
>>> security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The
>>> airports
>>> had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
>>> closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has
>>> suddenly
>>> ramped back up.
>>>
>>
>> Who would have expected that so many people would want to go on holiday
>> over Easter?
>>
>I blame the airports. They shouldn't have allowed the plane operators
>to book more slots than they could cope with.

The slots are allocated long in advance. Airlines plan their timetables months ahead.

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 by: Graeme Wall - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:15 UTC

On 14/04/2022 12:34, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 07:41, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 23:44, Recliner wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the
>>>>>> media,
>>>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St
>>>>>> Pancras and
>>>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes.
>>>>>> EasyJet didn’t
>>>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at
>>>>>> Funchal
>>>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all
>>>>>> working.
>>>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue?  I
>>>>> waited a
>>>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga
>>>>> last month.
>>>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to
>>>>> use them.
>>>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe
>>>>> staff
>>>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>>>
>>>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>>>> weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots.
>>> Apparently the
>>> security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The
>>> airports
>>> had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
>>> closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has
>>> suddenly
>>> ramped back up.
>>>
>>
>> Who would have expected that so many people would want to go on
>> holiday over Easter?
>>
> I blame the airports.  They shouldn't have allowed the plane operators
> to book more slots than they could cope with.

On current showing that would mean no flights at all.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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 by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 16:42 UTC

On 14/04/2022 12:10, Graham Harrison wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 23:31:48 +0100,
> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>
>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>>>
>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>> again.
>>>
>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>
>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>> weeks ago.
>
> Many years ago I took my tandem on a Trident Shuttle (shows you how
> long ago!) Heathrow/Glasgow. As we taxied in at Glasgow the captain
> announced the baggage handlers were on strike and would some of us
> volunteer to do the job. I climbed up into the belly to find no more
> than half a dozen cases in one part and my tandem, looking lonely, in
> another. By the time I'd got the tandem out into the tarmac we were
> the last passengers off the plane and they'd locked us out of the
> terminal!

I heard of one case in the Soviet Union, I think in the '70s, where
passengers had to help tow the staircase to an aeroplane.

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 20:57:05 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

> electronic gates all working.

Story on You & Yours (Radio 4) on Tuesday about a woman who came
throught the electronic gates at Heathrow with her old maroon passport
but they didn't work for her teenage daughters with new blue ones. (I
couldn't understand why her daughters had problems with being asked
where they had come from and where they were going by officials before
they were allowed in.)

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Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 20:57:05 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> electronic gates all working.
>
> Story on You & Yours (Radio 4) on Tuesday about a woman who came
> throught the electronic gates at Heathrow with her old maroon passport
> but they didn't work for her teenage daughters with new blue ones. (I
> couldn't understand why her daughters had problems with being asked
> where they had come from and where they were going by officials before
> they were allowed in.)
>

New passports and teenage females might have triggered a check for people
smuggling/forced marriage etc.

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 by: Arthur Figgis - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 18:35 UTC

On 14/04/2022 10:51, Clive Page wrote:

> to show passports and Covid-19 vaccination certificates: zero.  Surely
> full UK membership of Schengen would be a huge benefit to everyone who
> ever goes abroad?

There are probably more peope who don't go abroad, or don't care if it
only involves a plane full of people once a year.

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 01:36 UTC

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I’ve some sympathy for the airlines and airports but they are authors of
> their own doom to some extent. There wasn’t a huge amount of support from
> government so staff had to be made redundant. Getting them all back,
> trained and security cleared isn’t easy, especially as,it wasn’t 100% clear
> that we would be travelling largely restriction free by Easter.
>

There's a Tom Scott video on the topic: <https://youtu.be/JA3RXeds0_g>

> (Interestingly nobody wanted to see my vaccine passes to or from Madeira).
>

Not even at check-in, or at the gate?

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Charles Ellson - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 01:38 UTC

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 06:26:01 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>>>>
>>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
>>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
>>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
>>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
>>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>>
>>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>>> weeks ago.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots. Apparently the
>> security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The airports
>> had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
>> closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has suddenly
>> ramped back up.
>>
>>
>
>Nit sure if it is an Easter holidays effect, but there wasn’t much demand
>for our Thameslink train through the core yesterday at around 1730. I was
>expecting hoards to get on Blackfriars northwards, but no.
>
Probably because a load of people had gone home at lunchtime for their
Maundy Thursday half day civil service (and historical/ex-CS staff)
holiday.
<snip>

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 by: Tweed - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 06:08 UTC

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I’ve some sympathy for the airlines and airports but they are authors of
>> their own doom to some extent. There wasn’t a huge amount of support from
>> government so staff had to be made redundant. Getting them all back,
>> trained and security cleared isn’t easy, especially as,it wasn’t 100% clear
>> that we would be travelling largely restriction free by Easter.
>>
>
> There's a Tom Scott video on the topic: <https://youtu.be/JA3RXeds0_g>
>
>> (Interestingly nobody wanted to see my vaccine passes to or from Madeira).
>>
>
> Not even at check-in, or at the gate?
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
>
>

Nope. Had them ready on my phone and also paper copies. Madeira is still
pretty strict on mask wearing in indoors public places, with everyone
complying and EasyJet enforce mask wearing if either end of the route still
has mandatory mask wearing. There’s talk of Portugal abandoning mask
wearing in the coming weeks.

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 by: Tweed - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 06:09 UTC

Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 06:26:01 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2022 22:42, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just to provide a counter view to all the doom and gloom in the media,
>>>>>> we’ve just been to Madeira and back without a hitch. EMR to St Pancras and
>>>>>> back on time no issues. Thameslink from StP to Gatwick equally problem
>>>>>> free. Minor security queue leaving Gatwick. Took 20 minutes. EasyJet didn’t
>>>>>> cancel our flights. Got my first Schengen in and out stamps at Funchal
>>>>>> airport. On the return no passport queue, electronic gates all working.
>>>>>> Trains ran without a hitch. Doesn’t make a newspaper or TV story though.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long did you have to wait in the Funchal passport queue? I waited a
>>>>> full hour in Rome in November, but only about 10 mins at Málaga last month.
>>>>> No queues at the UK ePassport readers on the return, whose use is not
>>>>> restricted to UK citizens. EU citizens continue to be welcome to use them.
>>>>> I'm off to Rome again next month, and hope not to have to wait an hour
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I had a very long wait for luggage in LHR T3 last month. Maybe staff
>>>>> shortages in baggage handling?
>>>>>
>>>> A Belfast flight left Heathrow without any hold baggage a couple of
>>>> weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, baggage handling seems to be one of several weak spots. Apparently the
>>> security vetting of the much-needed new recruits is very slow. The airports
>>> had run down their staff during the period of much reduced demand and
>>> closed terminals, and they're struggling now that the traffic has suddenly
>>> ramped back up.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nit sure if it is an Easter holidays effect, but there wasn’t much demand
>> for our Thameslink train through the core yesterday at around 1730. I was
>> expecting hoards to get on Blackfriars northwards, but no.
>>
> Probably because a load of people had gone home at lunchtime for their
> Maundy Thursday half day civil service (and historical/ex-CS staff)
> holiday.
> <snip>
>

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