On 07-Dec-23 16:43, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Nicholas D. Richards said:
>> In article <uksace$18aqa$1@dont-email.me>, Richard Robinson
>> <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> on Thu, 7 Dec 2023 at 11:30:22 awoke
>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>>> On 06-Dec-23 18:18, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all non celebrities would be famous for not being famous
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But would they need getting out of anywhere?
>>>>>
>>>>> # You're everywhere and nowhere baby, that's where you're at.
>>>>>
>>>> Quite. Who needs Google Maps, when there's advice like that to be had
>>>> for nowt.
>>>
>>> Nowt ? It used to cost 6/8d, no ?
>>>
>> For the weekend, Sir?
>
> When I was Jung, the barber's other commodity was boxes of
> shotgun cartridges.
>
He'd cut your hair and then marry you off?

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On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 18:14:36 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 07-Dec-23 16:43, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Nicholas D. Richards said:
>>> In article <uksace$18aqa$1@dont-email.me>, Richard Robinson
>>> <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> on Thu, 7 Dec 2023 at 11:30:22 awoke
>>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>>>> On 06-Dec-23 18:18, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> all non celebrities would be famous for not being famous
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But would they need getting out of anywhere?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # You're everywhere and nowhere baby, that's where you're at.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Quite. Who needs Google Maps, when there's advice like that to be had
>>>>> for nowt.
>>>>
>>>> Nowt ? It used to cost 6/8d, no ?
>>>>
>>> For the weekend, Sir?
>>
>> When I was Jung, the barber's other commodity was boxes of
>> shotgun cartridges.
>>
> He'd cut your hair and then marry you off?

When your barber told you that one of his punters had knocked
up yout daughter, he would sell you a box of cartridges for the
shotgun wedding.

There was a bar in rural California that had a white shotgun
on the wall. Those that enquired why they had a white painted 12 bore
on the wall it was explained that it was for weddings,

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"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 07/12/2023 in message <uksace$18aqa$1@dont-email.me> Richard Robinson
> wrote:
>
> > > Quite. Who needs Google Maps, when there's advice like that to be had
> > > for nowt.
> >
> > Nowt ? It used to cost 6/8d, no ?
>
> I remember when that was the cost of a gallon of petrol, I could fill my
> MG Midget for £1 (3 gallons).
>
I remeber teh local garage doing 5gal for £1, unfortunately the tank on my
bike only took 4 1/4 gals.

Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex -- 2 bob off my beer zbzrl,
8/3d for unearned income.

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On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000
me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:

> Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex

So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
the pound.

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In article <20231210074933.8fc5b1667dcae9f913012d69@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 07:49:33 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000
>me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
>
> So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
>the pound.
>
These comparisons are not straight forward. For instance what was the
rate of VAT, if it existed, (8%?). What was the starting point forIncome
Tax relative to the average wage?

Do not forget National Insurance, which for the average wage earner is
not inconsiderable.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000
> me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
>
> So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
> the pound.

Hard Sums, eh? 20% = 4s in the pound, Shirley.

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Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20231210074933.8fc5b1667dcae9f913012d69@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 07:49:33 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> >On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000
> >me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
> >
> > So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
> >the pound.
> >
> These comparisons are not straight forward. For instance what was the
> rate of VAT, if it existed, (8%?).
>

I think in those days it would have been Purchase Tax rather than VAT.

VAT came in with Yurp [spit] and IIRC began at 10%. Later, Chancellor
Denis "we'll squeeze 'em till the pips squeak" Healey changed it to
split-rate VAT of 8% basic and 25% "luxury" rate.

It was an absolute nightmare for retailers and killed secondhand trading
because the "luxury" rate of Output Tax was applied to the whole of the
retail price of the previously-loved piece of kit but without any 'Input
Tax' to offset it.

It took years to get VatMan to change to a "VAT on the Margin" scheme
for s/h goods (even more of an administration nightmare) that at least
kept s/h almost viable. BT,DT,GTTS. [shudders]

>
> What was the starting point forIncome
> Tax relative to the average wage?
>
> Do not forget National Insurance, which for the average wage earner is
> not inconsiderable.
>

My word, this Shed is made of stern stuff to be able to stomach
plain text discussion of such unspeakable stuff as gnk...

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On 10/12/2023 13:37, Sn!pe wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000
>> me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
>>
>> So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
>> the pound.
>
> Hard Sums, eh? 20% = 4s in the pound, Shirley.
>
This was in the daze when I learneded all the times tables up to 12 off
by heart.

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John.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:37:52 +0000
snipeco.2@Use.Reply-To.Address.invalid (Sn!pe) wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000
> > me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
> >
> > So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
> > the pound.
>
> Hard Sums, eh? 20% = 4s in the pound, Shirley.

Ooops - mathematicians don't do arithmetic.

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On 2023-12-10, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 10/12/2023 13:37, Sn!pe wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000
>>> me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
>>>
>>> So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
>>> the pound.
>>
>> Hard Sums, eh? 20% = 4s in the pound, Shirley.
>>
> This was in the daze when I learneded all the times tables up to 12 off
> by heart.
>

I often wondered why 12. There is someting about 12 in library science.
Perhaps the `one that came before' had six digits on each hand. I know
younger people who pull out their dumbphone when asked, "What is three
plus three,''

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In message
<1qliz7i.frc0u8psz7d1N%snipeco.2@Use.Reply-To.Address.invalid>, Sn!pe
<snipeco.2@Use.Reply-To.Address.invalid> writes
>VAT came in with Yurp [spit] and IIRC began at 10%. Later, Chancellor
>Denis "we'll squeeze 'em till the pips squeak" Healey changed it to
>split-rate VAT of 8% basic and 25% "luxury" rate.
>

Which produced silly anomalies. Frinstance, if you went to a hardware
siop and obhtug a hose pipe, it would be at 8%. If you went to a
chandlers and obhtug the identical hose pipe, it would be 25%.

Adrian
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On 10/12/2023 16:01, maus wrote:
> On 2023-12-10, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 10/12/2023 13:37, Sn!pe wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000
>>>> me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
>>>>
>>>> So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
>>>> the pound.
>>>
>>> Hard Sums, eh? 20% = 4s in the pound, Shirley.
>>>
>> This was in the daze when I learneded all the times tables up to 12 off
>> by heart.
>>
>
> I often wondered why 12. There is someting about 12 in library science.
> Perhaps the `one that came before' had six digits on each hand. I know
> younger people who pull out their dumbphone when asked, "What is three
> plus three,''
>
>
12 pennies in a shilling. 20 shillings in a pound. Horse owners used to
be able to do their 21 times table, as horses were, and often still are,
priced in guineas, which are 21 shillings, when sold.

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On 10 Dec 2023 16:01:22 GMT
maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

> I often wondered why 12. There is someting about 12 in library science.
> Perhaps the `one that came before' had six digits on each hand. I know
> younger people who pull out their dumbphone when asked, "What is three
> plus three,''

I helped one of my daughter's friends through leaving cert maths.
When we started she would pull out the calculator for every sum - including
multiply by ten - and blindly trust the numbers that came out. I let her do
it and told her whether they were right or not (sometimes making it obvious
that I was waiting for her to finish pushing buttons). All too often the
answers she got were wrong - transposed digits, precedence errors etc.
Before long I'd taught her not to trust her fingers, to do most of the sums
in her head and always approximate the difficult ones so that she could
sanity check the calculator when it really was needed. By the time she took
her exams she'd lost the habit of reaching for the calculator completely.

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Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 15:57:18 +0000
Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:

> In message
> <1qliz7i.frc0u8psz7d1N%snipeco.2@Use.Reply-To.Address.invalid>, Sn!pe
> <snipeco.2@Use.Reply-To.Address.invalid> writes
> >VAT came in with Yurp [spit] and IIRC began at 10%. Later, Chancellor
> >Denis "we'll squeeze 'em till the pips squeak" Healey changed it to
> >split-rate VAT of 8% basic and 25% "luxury" rate.
> >
>
> Which produced silly anomalies. Frinstance, if you went to a hardware
> siop and obhtug a hose pipe, it would be at 8%. If you went to a
> chandlers and obhtug the identical hose pipe, it would be 25%.

The silliest I experienced was that when selling components like
resistors, capacitors, transistors etc. we had to ask whether it was for
test equipment or domestic use and depending on the answer charge basic
or luxury VAT on the sale - OK sometimes we'd phrase it "It's for test
equipment ? Right ? Thought so!" and of course nobody ever forgot to ask an
annoying customer and just charge luxury.

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Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 2023-12-10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 10 Dec 2023 16:01:22 GMT
> maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>
>> I often wondered why 12. There is someting about 12 in library science.
>> Perhaps the `one that came before' had six digits on each hand. I know
>> younger people who pull out their dumbphone when asked, "What is three
>> plus three,''
>
> I helped one of my daughter's friends through leaving cert maths.
> When we started she would pull out the calculator for every sum - including
> multiply by ten - and blindly trust the numbers that came out. I let her do
> it and told her whether they were right or not (sometimes making it obvious
> that I was waiting for her to finish pushing buttons). All too often the
> answers she got were wrong - transposed digits, precedence errors etc.
> Before long I'd taught her not to trust her fingers, to do most of the sums
> in her head and always approximate the difficult ones so that she could
> sanity check the calculator when it really was needed. By the time she took
> her exams she'd lost the habit of reaching for the calculator completely.
>

I notice a man who does things for me, about 40 years old, does his
accounts on dumbphone. precedence errors are a dangerous area.

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On 10 Dec 2023 18:07:34 GMT
maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

> On 2023-12-10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On 10 Dec 2023 16:01:22 GMT
> > I helped one of my daughter's friends through leaving cert
> > maths. When we started she would pull out the calculator for every sum
>
> I notice a man who does things for me, about 40 years old, does his
> accounts on dumbphone. precedence errors are a dangerous area.

I bumped into that young lady a year or two ago, it was
disconcerting to realise she was in her mid thirties, so about the same
educational period probably.

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Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

In article <ktm11fFsnuoU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 14:41:50 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 10/12/2023 13:37, Sn!pe wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000
>>> me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
>>>
>>> So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
>>> the pound.
>>
>> Hard Sums, eh? 20% = 4s in the pound, Shirley.
>>
>This was in the daze when I learneded all the times tables up to 12 off
>by heart.
>
At my fpubby they stuck in the 13 times table, just for good luck.
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In article <20231210174801.d7f22c1ffccb673ef4166283@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 17:48:01 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 10 Dec 2023 16:01:22 GMT
>maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>
>> I often wondered why 12. There is someting about 12 in library science.
>> Perhaps the `one that came before' had six digits on each hand. I know
>> younger people who pull out their dumbphone when asked, "What is three
>> plus three,''
>
> I helped one of my daughter's friends through leaving cert maths.
>When we started she would pull out the calculator for every sum - including
>multiply by ten - and blindly trust the numbers that came out. I let her do
>it and told her whether they were right or not (sometimes making it obvious
>that I was waiting for her to finish pushing buttons). All too often the
>answers she got were wrong - transposed digits, precedence errors etc.
>Before long I'd taught her not to trust her fingers, to do most of the sums
>in her head and always approximate the difficult ones so that she could
>sanity check the calculator when it really was needed. By the time she took
>her exams she'd lost the habit of reaching for the calculator completely.
>
SWMBO still reaches for a natural calculator, her fingers.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000 me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
>
> So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in the
> pound.
>
Yes, and purchase tax was very high too, but varied on what you were
purchasing.

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maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

> On 2023-12-10, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > On 10/12/2023 13:37, Sn!pe wrote:
> > > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> >>
> > > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000 me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
> >>>
> > > > > Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
> >>>
> >>> So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s
in
> > > > the pound.
> >>
> > > Hard Sums, eh? 20% = 4s in the pound, Shirley.
> >>
> > This was in the daze when I learneded all the times tables up to 12 off
> > by heart.
> >
>
> I often wondered why 12. There is someting about 12 in library science.
> Perhaps the `one that came before' had six digits on each hand. I know
> younger people who pull out their dumbphone when asked, "What is three
> plus three,''
>
>
12 inches in your foot, but why not up to 14 for stones (not beer) or 16 for
pounds (not money).

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In article <20231210203025.1df13307a5f9cd441bcc5f5f@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 20:30:25 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 10 Dec 2023 18:07:34 GMT
>maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-12-10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> > On 10 Dec 2023 16:01:22 GMT
>> > I helped one of my daughter's friends through leaving cert
>> > maths. When we started she would pull out the calculator for every sum
>>
>> I notice a man who does things for me, about 40 years old, does his
>> accounts on dumbphone. precedence errors are a dangerous area.
>
> I bumped into that young lady a year or two ago, it was
>disconcerting to realise she was in her mid thirties, so about the same
>educational period probably.
>
I worked for an auction house (now long gone), where they had a
messenger who was really there as the Chairman's bookies runner. He
reckoned he was bad at sums (he was), we used to have to add up his
cribbage scores for him. On the other hand he was very good at sorting
out his cribbage hand and could work out odds on the GeeGees in a flash.
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"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20231210074933.8fc5b1667dcae9f913012d69@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 07:49:33 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000 me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
> >
> > So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s in
> > the pound.
> >
> These comparisons are not straight forward. For instance what was the rate
> of VAT, if it existed, (8%?). What was the starting point forIncome Tax
> relative to the average wage?

There was purchase tax (before vat) which varied from (unforgettory suspect)
10% up to 150%

>
> Do not forget National Insurance, which for the average wage earner is not
> inconsiderable.

It was a fixed rate stamp in those daze. I'd have to dig out old payslip
from behind teh sofa tosee how much zbarl.

I would abolish NI and stick it on income/corporation gnk if I was
cancellior. It's definitely a GNK. but not by name, so much for low gnk!
Stealthy!

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me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:

> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <20231210074933.8fc5b1667dcae9f913012d69@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> > Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 07:49:33 awoke
> > Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:35:04 +0000 me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Income gnk was 6/8d in the £ when I started jbex
> > >
> > > So 33 1/3%, rather higher than today's basic rate of 20% or 5s
> > > in the pound.
> > >
> > These comparisons are not straight forward. For instance what was the
> > rate of VAT, if it existed, (8%?). What was the starting point forIncome
> > Tax relative to the average wage?
> >
>
> There was purchase tax (before vat) which varied from (unforgettory
> suspect) 10% up to 150%

[...]

Not tax, but relevant to the cost of living: until 1964 there
was Resale (Retail) Price Maintenance, i.e. no discounting.
Hire Purchase aka the "Never-Never" was legalised in '64 too.

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On 10 Dec 2023 16:01:22 GMT, maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

>I often wondered why 12. There is someting about 12 in library science.
>Perhaps the `one that came before' had six digits on each hand. I know
>younger people who pull out their dumbphone when asked, "What is three
>plus three,''

Twelve is divisible without remainder by one (well, most things are...), two,
three, four, and six*. Ten by one, two, five -- so twelve was more suited to
dividing things up, so the Ancients** used base-12 not base-10.

One explanation I heard, dunno how true it is.

Thomas Prufer

* yesyes, by 12, too.
** Assyrians? Sumerians?

On 11/12/2023 11:11, Thomas Prufer wrote:
> Twelve is divisible without remainder by one

So is eggses.

Tone