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* SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Java Jive
+* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?charles
|`* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?MB
| `* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Java Jive
|  +* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Tim+
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|  ||+- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?JNugent
|  ||+* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
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|  ||| `* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Max Demian
|  |||  `- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?charles
|  ||`* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Tim+
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|  |+* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?JNugent
|  ||`- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Jim Lesurf
|  |`* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Java Jive
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|  | +* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?charles
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|  | ||+- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Java Jive
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|  | |`- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?charles
|  | +* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Java Jive
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|  | | `* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?R. Mark Clayton
|  | |  `* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Java Jive
|  | |   `- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?R. Mark Clayton
|  | `- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Jim Lesurf
|  +* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
|  |`- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Chris Green
|  `- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?R. Mark Clayton
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| `* Re: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Max Demian
|  `- Re: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
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|+* Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Woody
||`- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?williamwright
|`- Re: SOT: Speaker Cables - Rip Off Or What?Laurence Taylor
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 by: Java Jive - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:12 UTC

Cheapest Speaker Cable: 88p/m, but you can pay much, much more if you're
sufficiently stupid:

https://www.richersounds.com/catalog/category/view/id/1761

2-Core Mains Cable, £16.14 for 50m, so 32p/m
https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-elec/pelb1058/cable-3182y-0-75mm-orange-50m/dp/CB23072

I suspect using mains cable would give exactly the same sound as any
'true' speaker cable, the only reason I wouldn't want to do it is that
I'd prefer to keep brown/blue for strictly mains applications. However,
if I could find some of the old red/black mains cable that we used to
use ...

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 by: charles - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:55 UTC

In article <skunt2$c5o$1@dont-email.me>,
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> Cheapest Speaker Cable: 88p/m, but you can pay much, much more if you're
> sufficiently stupid:

> https://www.richersounds.com/catalog/category/view/id/1761

> 2-Core Mains Cable, £16.14 for 50m, so 32p/m
> https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-elec/pelb1058/cable-3182y-0-75mm-orange-50m/dp/CB23072

> I suspect using mains cable would give exactly the same sound as any
> 'true' speaker cable, the only reason I wouldn't want to do it is that
> I'd prefer to keep brown/blue for strictly mains applications. However,
> if I could find some of the old red/black mains cable that we used to
> use ...

I use brown/blue for 100v speakers. The cable is terminated in 4 pin XLR,
so unlikely to be thought of a s "mains cable".

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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 by: MB - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 18:09 UTC

On 22/10/2021 17:55, charles wrote:
> I use brown/blue for 100v speakers. The cable is terminated in 4 pin XLR,
> so unlikely to be thought of a s "mains cable".

Weren't Wylex plugs used in some places for loudspeakers?

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 by: Java Jive - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 18:36 UTC

On 22/10/2021 19:09, MB wrote:
>
> On 22/10/2021 17:55, charles wrote:
>>
>> I use brown/blue for 100v speakers. The cable is terminated in 4 pin XLR,
>> so unlikely to be thought of a s "mains cable".
>
> Weren't Wylex plugs used in some places for loudspeakers?

Wylex is a brand name, so a search is not helpful, but if you mean round
plugs with one flat blade connector and one round pin connector, then
yes, I still have some of those. For myself however, I prefer banana plugs.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

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 by: Tim+ - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:00 UTC

Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 22/10/2021 19:09, MB wrote:
>>
>> On 22/10/2021 17:55, charles wrote:
>>>
>>> I use brown/blue for 100v speakers. The cable is terminated in 4 pin XLR,
>>> so unlikely to be thought of a s "mains cable".
>>
>> Weren't Wylex plugs used in some places for loudspeakers?
>
> Wylex is a brand name, so a search is not helpful, but if you mean round
> plugs with one flat blade connector and one round pin connector, then
> yes, I still have some of those. For myself however, I prefer banana plugs.
>

Those were DIN plugs surely?

https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422?mckv=nvhejcRR_dc%7Cpcrid%7C74629370918234%7Ckword%7C%7Cmatch%7C%7Cplid%7C%7Cslid%7C%7Cpid%7CAV15422%7C&CMP=KNC-MUK-CPC-SHOPPING&s_kwcid=AL!8472!10!74629370918234!4578228982947649&msclkid=fdd9a8ec322a1673589dc99f140329e9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=M-400-Shopping-Adaptors%20Cable%20Connectors%20Leads&utm_term=4578228982947649&utm_content=Connectors

Tim

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 by: MB - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:57 UTC

On 22/10/2021 22:00, Tim+ wrote:
> Those were DIN plugs surely?
>
> https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422?mckv=nvhejcRR_dc%7Cpcrid%7C74629370918234%7Ckword%7C%7Cmatch%7C%7Cplid%7C%7Cslid%7C%7Cpid%7CAV15422%7C&CMP=KNC-MUK-CPC-SHOPPING&s_kwcid=AL!8472!10!74629370918234!4578228982947649&msclkid=fdd9a8ec322a1673589dc99f140329e9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=M-400-Shopping-Adaptors%20Cable%20Connectors%20Leads&utm_term=4578228982947649&utm_content=Connectors
>
> Tim

It is common for type of plugs to be named after a make even though it
might apply to a whole series of connectors - Belling Lee, Painton,
Cannon, Pye ......

No, the Wylex was a series of mains connectors used in the UK. A large
round pin and a flat pin each side. There were different sizes for
different current rating though I think one for (for example) a 2 Amp
would fit into a 5 Amp socket and perhaps 15 Amp but not the other way
around (that is from memory so might not be completely correct). It
seemed dangerous to have a loudspeaker with a plug that would fit a
mains socket.

I have a faint memory that D&S connectors might also have been used for
loudspeakers but not certain and could be wrong.

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 by: JNugent - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 00:25 UTC

On 22/10/2021 10:00 pm, Tim+ wrote:
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 22/10/2021 19:09, MB wrote:
>>>
>>> On 22/10/2021 17:55, charles wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I use brown/blue for 100v speakers. The cable is terminated in 4 pin XLR,
>>>> so unlikely to be thought of a s "mains cable".
>>>
>>> Weren't Wylex plugs used in some places for loudspeakers?
>>
>> Wylex is a brand name, so a search is not helpful, but if you mean round
>> plugs with one flat blade connector and one round pin connector, then
>> yes, I still have some of those. For myself however, I prefer banana plugs.
>>
>
> Those were DIN plugs surely?
>
> https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422?mckv=nvhejcRR_dc%7Cpcrid%7C74629370918234%7Ckword%7C%7Cmatch%7C%7Cplid%7C%7Cslid%7C%7Cpid%7CAV15422%7C&CMP=KNC-MUK-CPC-SHOPPING&s_kwcid=AL!8472!10!74629370918234!4578228982947649&msclkid=fdd9a8ec322a1673589dc99f140329e9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=M-400-Shopping-Adaptors%20Cable%20Connectors%20Leads&utm_term=4578228982947649&utm_content=Connectors

DIN speaker plugs.

That's what I was thinking. Not seen them for a long while, though.
These days (and these last forty years), speakers have tended to be
fitted with spring-loaded connectors similar in operation to the old
American Fahnestock connectors.

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 by: JNugent - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 00:29 UTC

On 22/10/2021 10:57 pm, MB wrote:

> On 22/10/2021 22:00, Tim+ wrote:

>> Those were DIN plugs surely?
>>
>> https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422?mckv=nvhejcRR_dc%7Cpcrid%7C74629370918234%7Ckword%7C%7Cmatch%7C%7Cplid%7C%7Cslid%7C%7Cpid%7CAV15422%7C&CMP=KNC-MUK-CPC-SHOPPING&s_kwcid=AL!8472!10!74629370918234!4578228982947649&msclkid=fdd9a8ec322a1673589dc99f140329e9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=M-400-Shopping-Adaptors%20Cable%20Connectors%20Leads&utm_term=4578228982947649&utm_content=Connectors
>>
> It is common for type of plugs to be named after a make even though it
> might apply to a whole series of connectors - Belling Lee, Painton,
> Cannon, Pye ......
>
> No, the Wylex was a series of mains connectors used in the UK.  A large
> round pin and a flat pin each side.   There were different sizes for
> different current rating though I think one for (for example) a 2 Amp
> would fit into a 5 Amp socket and perhaps 15 Amp but not the other way
> around (that is from memory so might not be completely correct).

No; they didn't fit each other. However, it need not have been totally
disastrous if some of them had.

<https://ibb.co/Nt7TTNr>

Completely SFW.

> It
> seemed  dangerous to have a loudspeaker with a plug that would fit a
> mains socket.
>
> I have a faint memory that D&S connectors might also have been used for
> loudspeakers but not certain and could be wrong.

>

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:11 UTC

Nott in this house, the mains wiring is red/black.
To be honest, back in the older days of transistor amps, some speaker
cables did sound different, but those days are long gone and universally
benign Amplifiers are the norm. Often the worse issue in my experience is
the connections to either the amp or the speakers, particularly those sprung
devices that trap the wire and seem to suffer from resistance problems
affecting output. Give me terminals, or chock blocks every time. They work
far better on stranded wire.

Certainly all these so called audiophile cables with unique oxygen free or
some other claim at the endings are a waste of money unless you intend to
mount your speakers miles away from your amp!

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"Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Cheapest Speaker Cable: 88p/m, but you can pay much, much more if you're
> sufficiently stupid:
>
> https://www.richersounds.com/catalog/category/view/id/1761
>
> 2-Core Mains Cable, �16.14 for 50m, so 32p/m
> https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-elec/pelb1058/cable-3182y-0-75mm-orange-50m/dp/CB23072
>
> I suspect using mains cable would give exactly the same sound as any
> 'true' speaker cable, the only reason I wouldn't want to do it is that I'd
> prefer to keep brown/blue for strictly mains applications. However, if I
> could find some of the old red/black mains cable that we used to use ...
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:13 UTC

Yes those Din flat and round ones were awful in my view. Did not work well,
most of the other methods worked far better except the knife spring ones.
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"Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 22/10/2021 19:09, MB wrote:
>>
>> On 22/10/2021 17:55, charles wrote:
>>>
>>> I use brown/blue for 100v speakers. The cable is terminated in 4 pin
>>> XLR,
>>> so unlikely to be thought of a s "mains cable".
>>
>> Weren't Wylex plugs used in some places for loudspeakers?
>
> Wylex is a brand name, so a search is not helpful, but if you mean round
> plugs with one flat blade connector and one round pin connector, then yes,
> I still have some of those. For myself however, I prefer banana plugs.
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:18 UTC

I've never come across the connectors you mention. Must be very old.
Incidentally don't you think links to things are now getting far too
long?Can you imagine it being written down as a ref in a paper catalogue?
Blimey.
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> On 22/10/2021 22:00, Tim+ wrote:
>> Those were DIN plugs surely?
>>
>> https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422?mckv=nvhejcRR_dc%7Cpcrid%7C74629370918234%7Ckword%7C%7Cmatch%7C%7Cplid%7C%7Cslid%7C%7Cpid%7CAV15422%7C&CMP=KNC-MUK-CPC-SHOPPING&s_kwcid=AL!8472!10!74629370918234!4578228982947649&msclkid=fdd9a8ec322a1673589dc99f140329e9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=M-400-Shopping-Adaptors%20Cable%20Connectors%20Leads&utm_term=4578228982947649&utm_content=Connectors
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>> Tim
>
> It is common for type of plugs to be named after a make even though it
> might apply to a whole series of connectors - Belling Lee, Painton,
> Cannon, Pye ......
>
> No, the Wylex was a series of mains connectors used in the UK. A large
> round pin and a flat pin each side. There were different sizes for
> different current rating though I think one for (for example) a 2 Amp
> would fit into a 5 Amp socket and perhaps 15 Amp but not the other way
> around (that is from memory so might not be completely correct). It
> seemed dangerous to have a loudspeaker with a plug that would fit a mains
> socket.
>
> I have a faint memory that D&S connectors might also have been used for
> loudspeakers but not certain and could be wrong.
>

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"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes those Din flat and round ones were awful in my view. Did not work well,
> most of the other methods worked far better except the knife spring ones.

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 by: Max Demian - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:40 UTC

On 23/10/2021 10:18, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> I've never come across the connectors you mention. Must be very old.
Surely you remember DIN speaker plugs? They were call the rage in the
70s. And the large round DIN audio plugs. There were 5-pin versions so
you could connect your tape recorder to an amplifier (like the
Armstrongs) with a single cable with a plug each end.

> Incidentally don't you think links to things are now getting far too
> long?Can you imagine it being written down as a ref in a paper catalogue?
As is usually the case, you can shorten it to:
https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422

(Similarly with Amazon: there is 10 character code called the ASIN in
"Product details" which you substitute for the X's in this address:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/XXXXXXXXXX/ )

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But if you send a URL, you can include your Amazon code to get a
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 by: David Woolley - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:18 UTC

On 23/10/2021 10:18, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Incidentally don't you think links to things are now getting far too
> long?Can you imagine it being written down as a ref in a paper catalogue?

The link is relatively short:
<https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422>.
All the rest is market research and other tracking. I try to prune
that stuff off links, as some may even be cookie substitutes to track me.

I remember the old days, when people would add a, b, c, etc., to the
numeric part of their address to identify the magazine in which the
advert was published.

Even the link above seems to contain redundant information so there may
even be a shorter one, although the truncated version that minimally
identifies the actual product fails.

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 by: Java Jive - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:23 UTC

On 22/10/2021 22:00, Tim+ wrote:
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 22/10/2021 19:09, MB wrote:
>>>
>>> On 22/10/2021 17:55, charles wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I use brown/blue for 100v speakers. The cable is terminated in 4 pin XLR,
>>>> so unlikely to be thought of a s "mains cable".
>>>
>>> Weren't Wylex plugs used in some places for loudspeakers?
>>
>> Wylex is a brand name, so a search is not helpful, but if you mean round
>> plugs with one flat blade connector and one round pin connector, then
>> yes, I still have some of those. For myself however, I prefer banana plugs.
>
> Those were DIN plugs surely?
>
> https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422 [snip]

Yes, those are what I mean, and they were called DIN, but it's possible
that Wylex made them, hence the quotes above. DIN stands for Deutsches
Institut für Normung, German Institute for Standardisation, and lots of
other connectors came to be called DIN as well, the ones I remember best
being the very fiddly to solder 5-pin stereo audio in/out leads used in
tape recorders which had 5 pins in a semi-circle. I still have some of
those as well!

I have a question or two about this, as I've just bought a cheap used
stereo to use in my bedroom in the hope that I can thereby work out what
the increasingly common mumblers on TV are saying.

Unfortunately, the speakers have captive leads which aren't quite long
enough, so I think I'll probably have to put banana sockets on the back
of them, and unfortunately also the connectors on the back of the stereo
unit are the wire clip type, so ...

Is there a standard size of banana plug commonly used for speakers? I
used 3mm ones for electronic hobby circuits, and I know there were also
2mm versions, but the ones you see on speaker cables in online stores
look as though they might be smaller. I will need both plugs and
sockets, and for preference I need to be able to mount the sockets
securely without having access to the inside of the speaker cabinets, as
I can't see any easy non-destructive way in.

Is there a size of banana plug that will fit into the wire clip
connectors on the back of the stereo, instead of endlessly fraying the
wires trying to ensure a good connection?

And, FFS, why on earth are they called banana plugs?

--

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 by: Roderick Stewart - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:28 UTC

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:11:08 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
<briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Certainly all these so called audiophile cables with unique oxygen free or
>some other claim at the endings are a waste of money unless you intend to
>mount your speakers miles away from your amp!

And if you had to do that, you'd probably use a "100 Volt line"
amplifier (i.e. high impedance with transformers for the speakers), or
assign each speaker its own power amplifier positioned nearby and run
the signals balanced at low level, as the broadcasters and other
professional have been doing for years. There are plenty of proper
ways of doing it without requiring anything with magical properties.

Rod.

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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

>
> And, FFS, why on earth are they called banana plugs?
>

Because of the curved spring, see this picture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_connector

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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 22/10/2021 22:00, Tim+ wrote:
>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 22/10/2021 19:09, MB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 22/10/2021 17:55, charles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I use brown/blue for 100v speakers. The cable is terminated in 4 pin XLR,
>>>>> so unlikely to be thought of a s "mains cable".
>>>>
>>>> Weren't Wylex plugs used in some places for loudspeakers?
>>>
>>> Wylex is a brand name, so a search is not helpful, but if you mean round
>>> plugs with one flat blade connector and one round pin connector, then
>>> yes, I still have some of those. For myself however, I prefer banana plugs.
>>
>> Those were DIN plugs surely?
>>
>> https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422 [snip]
>
> Yes, those are what I mean, and they were called DIN, but it's possible
> that Wylex made them, hence the quotes above. DIN stands for Deutsches
> Institut für Normung, German Institute for Standardisation, and lots of
> other connectors came to be called DIN as well, the ones I remember best
> being the very fiddly to solder 5-pin stereo audio in/out leads used in
> tape recorders which had 5 pins in a semi-circle. I still have some of
> those as well!
>
> I have a question or two about this, as I've just bought a cheap used
> stereo to use in my bedroom in the hope that I can thereby work out what
> the increasingly common mumblers on TV are saying.
>
> Unfortunately, the speakers have captive leads which aren't quite long
> enough, so I think I'll probably have to put banana sockets on the back
> of them, and unfortunately also the connectors on the back of the stereo
> unit are the wire clip type, so ...
>
If you don’t need to keep moving them and appearance is not an issue why
not just cut the wire and use some screw terminal chocolate block to splice
in the extra cable, or solder and heat shrink insulate.

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 by: charles - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 13:06 UTC

In article <sl0usc$hd8$1@dont-email.me>,
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 22/10/2021 22:00, Tim+ wrote:
> > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 22/10/2021 19:09, MB wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 22/10/2021 17:55, charles wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I use brown/blue for 100v speakers. The cable is terminated in 4 pin XLR,
> >>>> so unlikely to be thought of a s "mains cable".
> >>>
> >>> Weren't Wylex plugs used in some places for loudspeakers?
> >>
> >> Wylex is a brand name, so a search is not helpful, but if you mean round
> >> plugs with one flat blade connector and one round pin connector, then
> >> yes, I still have some of those. For myself however, I prefer banana plugs.
> >
> > Those were DIN plugs surely?
> >
> > https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422 [snip]

> Yes, those are what I mean, and they were called DIN, but it's possible
> that Wylex made them, hence the quotes above. DIN stands for Deutsches
> Institut für Normung, German Institute for Standardisation, and lots of
> other connectors came to be called DIN as well, the ones I remember best
> being the very fiddly to solder 5-pin stereo audio in/out leads used in
> tape recorders which had 5 pins in a semi-circle. I still have some of
> those as well!

> I have a question or two about this, as I've just bought a cheap used
> stereo to use in my bedroom in the hope that I can thereby work out what
> the increasingly common mumblers on TV are saying.

> Unfortunately, the speakers have captive leads which aren't quite long
> enough, so I think I'll probably have to put banana sockets on the back
> of them, and unfortunately also the connectors on the back of the stereo
> unit are the wire clip type, so ...

> Is there a standard size of banana plug commonly used for speakers? I
> used 3mm ones for electronic hobby circuits, and I know there were also
> 2mm versions, but the ones you see on speaker cables in online stores
> look as though they might be smaller. I will need both plugs and
> sockets, and for preference I need to be able to mount the sockets
> securely without having access to the inside of the speaker cabinets, as
> I can't see any easy non-destructive way in.

> Is there a size of banana plug that will fit into the wire clip
> connectors on the back of the stereo, instead of endlessly fraying the
> wires trying to ensure a good connection?

> And, FFS, why on earth are they called banana plugs?

Have you ever seen a straight banana? We used to call them 'wander plugs'.
I suspect 'banana' is an Americanism

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
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 by: David Woolley - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 16:09 UTC

On 23/10/2021 14:06, charles wrote:
> Have you ever seen a straight banana? We used to call them 'wander plugs'.
> I suspect 'banana' is an Americanism

Although Google returns banana plugs when searching for "wander plugs",
they are different. Real ones have two splayed forks:
<https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=120687&d=1456498670>.

I'd generally refer to banana plugs as 4mm plugs.

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 by: Max Demian - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 16:22 UTC

On 23/10/2021 13:18, David Woolley wrote:
> On 23/10/2021 10:18, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

>> Incidentally don't you think links to things are now getting far too
>> long?Can you imagine it being written down as a ref in a paper catalogue?
>
> The link is relatively short:
> <https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422>.
>  All the rest is market research and other tracking.  I try to prune
> that stuff off links, as some may even be cookie substitutes to track me.
>
> I remember the old days, when people would add a, b, c, etc., to the
> numeric part of their address to identify the magazine in which the
> advert was published.

Or add "Department RT" (Radio Times) to the address (as if they have a
separate department to handle responses to adverts in different magazines).

--
Max Demian

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 by: Tim+ - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 16:27 UTC

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 22/10/2021 22:00, Tim+ wrote:
>> Those were DIN plugs surely?
>>
>> https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422?mckv=nvhejcRR_dc%7Cpcrid%7C74629370918234%7Ckword%7C%7Cmatch%7C%7Cplid%7C%7Cslid%7C%7Cpid%7CAV15422%7C&CMP=KNC-MUK-CPC-SHOPPING&s_kwcid=AL!8472!10!74629370918234!4578228982947649&msclkid=fdd9a8ec322a1673589dc99f140329e9&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=M-400-Shopping-Adaptors%20Cable%20Connectors%20Leads&utm_term=4578228982947649&utm_content=Connectors
>>
>> Tim
>
> It is common for type of plugs to be named after a make even though it
> might apply to a whole series of connectors - Belling Lee, Painton,
> Cannon, Pye ......
>
> No, the Wylex was a series of mains connectors used in the UK. A large
> round pin and a flat pin each side. There were different sizes for
> different current rating though I think one for (for example) a 2 Amp
> would fit into a 5 Amp socket and perhaps 15 Amp but not the other way
> around (that is from memory so might not be completely correct). It
> seemed dangerous to have a loudspeaker with a plug that would fit a
> mains socket.

I don’t think they could go into the “wrong” socket but there could “piggy
back” on bigger plugs.

http://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Wylex1.html

Tim

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 by: Java Jive - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 16:33 UTC

On 23/10/2021 17:09, David Woolley wrote:
>
> On 23/10/2021 14:06, charles wrote:
>>
>> Have you ever seen a straight banana?  We used to call them 'wander
>> plugs'.
>> I suspect 'banana' is an Americanism
>
> Although Google returns banana plugs when searching for "wander plugs",
> they are different. Real ones have two splayed forks:
> <https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=120687&d=1456498670>.

Argh, yuk! I remember those, they were awful! I think they're the ones
that from memory in another post I thought were 2mm though they may have
been 3mm, because I realise now that the ones I remembered as being 3mm
were actually 4mm. Speaker plugs seem to be 4mm:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Speaker-Banana-Plugs/175721/bn_7023521326

> I'd generally refer to banana plugs as 4mm plugs.

Probably wise to be exact, as this thread has rather proved! Er, sorry
'bout that!

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 by: charles - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 16:40 UTC

In article <nOOdnZz3pIRDq-n8nZ2dnUU78V2dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 23/10/2021 13:18, David Woolley wrote:
> > On 23/10/2021 10:18, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> >> Incidentally don't you think links to things are now getting far too
> >> long?Can you imagine it being written down as a ref in a paper
> >> catalogue?
> >
> > The link is relatively short:
> > <https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/psg01874/2p-din-loudspeaker-plug/dp/AV15422>.
> > All the rest is market research and other tracking. I try to prune
> > that stuff off links, as some may even be cookie substitutes to track
> > me.
> >
> > I remember the old days, when people would add a, b, c, etc., to the
> > numeric part of their address to identify the magazine in which the
> > advert was published.

> Or add "Department RT" (Radio Times) to the address (as if they have a
> separate department to handle responses to adverts in different
> magazines).

But they might have different bins ;-)

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