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* Cricket and football questionmax.it
+* Re: Cricket and football questionRobert Henderson
|`* Re: Cricket and football questionTikli Chestikov
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|  `* Re: Cricket and football questionJohn Hall
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 by: max.it - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 10:33 UTC

Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
country at cricket ?

max.it

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 by: Robert Henderson - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 11:48 UTC

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:33:32 AM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
> country at cricket ?
>
> max.it

Tip Foster and CB Fry would be strong candidates. RH

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 by: Tikli Chestikov - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 13:21 UTC

On Saturday, 9 September 2023 at 12:48:36 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:33:32 AM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> > Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
> > country at cricket ?
> >
> > max.it
> Tip Foster and CB Fry would be strong candidates. RH
Chris Balderstone?

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 by: max.it - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 15:45 UTC

On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 06:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Tikli Chestikov
<tikli.chestikov@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, 9 September 2023 at 12:48:36 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:33:32?AM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>> > Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
>> > country at cricket ?
>> >
>> > max.it
>> Tip Foster and CB Fry would be strong candidates. RH
>
>Chris Balderstone?
>
>
Noel Cantwell (Noel Euchuria Cornelius Cantwell)
Captained Manchester united to FA cup win and played cricket for
Ireland.

What tradition was changed after that game?

max.it

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 by: John Hall - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 17:42 UTC

In message <kfiofi9j2aevikqa7d6ashuus565cuq25b@4ax.com>, max. it
<max@tea.time> writes
>
>Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
>country at cricket ?
>
>max.it

ISTR that CB Fry played for Southampton when they won the FA Cup, but I
don't know if he captained them.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
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 by: max.it - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 18:56 UTC

On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 18:42:13 +0100, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <kfiofi9j2aevikqa7d6ashuus565cuq25b@4ax.com>, max. it
><max@tea.time> writes
>>
>>Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
>>country at cricket ?
>>
>>max.it
>
>ISTR that CB Fry played for Southampton when they won the FA Cup, but I
>don't know if he captained them.

It wasn't CB Fry, but he is the most common answer.

max.it

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 by: James Heaton - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 19:42 UTC

On 09/09/2023 19:56, max.it wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 18:42:13 +0100, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In message <kfiofi9j2aevikqa7d6ashuus565cuq25b@4ax.com>, max. it
>> <max@tea.time> writes
>>>
>>> Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
>>> country at cricket ?
>>>
>>> max.it
>>
>> ISTR that CB Fry played for Southampton when they won the FA Cup, but I
>> don't know if he captained them.
>
> It wasn't CB Fry, but he is the most common answer.

Denis Compton?

James

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 by: John Hall - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 19:43 UTC

In message <ttfpfi5hrtohbbakr6smrkmg8nmerik57n@4ax.com>, max. it
<max@tea.time> writes
>On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 18:42:13 +0100, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <kfiofi9j2aevikqa7d6ashuus565cuq25b@4ax.com>, max. it
>><max@tea.time> writes
>>>
>>>Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
>>>country at cricket ?
>>>
>>>max.it
>>
>>ISTR that CB Fry played for Southampton when they won the FA Cup, but I
>>don't know if he captained them.
>
>It wasn't CB Fry, but he is the most common answer.
>
>max.it

I should have realised that "play for his country at cricket" needn't
necessarily mean England.

With his splendid middle names, Noel Cantwell should really have been a
West Indian, where they seem to make a thing of producing cricketers
with impressive names (Garfield St Aubrun Sobers, to give just one
example).
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John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

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 by: John Hall - Sun, 10 Sep 2023 07:15 UTC

In message <dc4pfils1q66mlae9d0i2gq76v8tdr2be2@4ax.com>, max. it
<max@tea.time> writes
>On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 06:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Tikli Chestikov
><tikli.chestikov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, 9 September 2023 at 12:48:36 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:33:32?AM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>>> > Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
>>> > country at cricket ?
>>> >
>>> > max.it
>>> Tip Foster and CB Fry would be strong candidates. RH
>>
>>Chris Balderstone?
>>
>>
>Noel Cantwell (Noel Euchuria Cornelius Cantwell)
>Captained Manchester united to FA cup win and played cricket for
>Ireland.

I looked him up on CricketArchive. He played about a dozen games for
Ireland, including one that had first-class status: Scotland v Ireland
in 1956. The match was drawn. Cantwell scored 31 and 17* and took 0-13
in Scotland's first innings. Scotland 411-6d and 54-1d; Ireland 276 (in
164 overs!) and 66-4.
>
>What tradition was changed after that game?

No idea.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

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 by: max.it - Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:55 UTC

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:15:54 +0100, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <dc4pfils1q66mlae9d0i2gq76v8tdr2be2@4ax.com>, max. it
><max@tea.time> writes
>>On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 06:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Tikli Chestikov
>><tikli.chestikov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, 9 September 2023 at 12:48:36 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:33:32?AM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>>>> > Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
>>>> > country at cricket ?
>>>> >
>>>> > max.it
>>>> Tip Foster and CB Fry would be strong candidates. RH
>>>
>>>Chris Balderstone?
>>>
>>>
>>Noel Cantwell (Noel Euchuria Cornelius Cantwell)
>>Captained Manchester united to FA cup win and played cricket for
>>Ireland.
>
>I looked him up on CricketArchive. He played about a dozen games for
>Ireland, including one that had first-class status: Scotland v Ireland
>in 1956. The match was drawn. Cantwell scored 31 and 17* and took 0-13
>in Scotland's first innings. Scotland 411-6d and 54-1d; Ireland 276 (in
>164 overs!) and 66-4.
>>
>>What tradition was changed after that game?
>
>No idea.
>
>
>
I could be wrong, I can't find anything to confirm.
The anthem used to be played at the end of the FA cup match after the
presentation. In 1963 Cantwell or someone was hoisted into the air in
celebration whilst the anthem was being played, this resulted in the
order of service being adjusted to have the anthem at the beginning of
future FA cup finals instead.

max.it

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 by: John Hall - Sun, 10 Sep 2023 09:07 UTC

In message <2tvqfi5v29q3l5ala2acpts9u0rpk23v2t@4ax.com>, max. it
<max@tea.time> writes
>On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:15:54 +0100, John Hall
><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <dc4pfils1q66mlae9d0i2gq76v8tdr2be2@4ax.com>, max. it
>><max@tea.time> writes
>>>On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 06:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Tikli Chestikov
>>><tikli.chestikov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Saturday, 9 September 2023 at 12:48:36 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:33:32?AM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>>>>> > Who is the only man to captain an FA Cup winning side and play for his
>>>>> > country at cricket ?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > max.it
>>>>> Tip Foster and CB Fry would be strong candidates. RH
>>>>
>>>>Chris Balderstone?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Noel Cantwell (Noel Euchuria Cornelius Cantwell)
>>>Captained Manchester united to FA cup win and played cricket for
>>>Ireland.
>>
>>I looked him up on CricketArchive. He played about a dozen games for
>>Ireland, including one that had first-class status: Scotland v Ireland
>>in 1956. The match was drawn. Cantwell scored 31 and 17* and took 0-13
>>in Scotland's first innings. Scotland 411-6d and 54-1d; Ireland 276 (in
>>164 overs!) and 66-4.
>>>
>>>What tradition was changed after that game?
>>
>>No idea.
>>
>>
>>
>I could be wrong, I can't find anything to confirm.
>The anthem used to be played at the end of the FA cup match after the
>presentation. In 1963 Cantwell or someone was hoisted into the air in
>celebration whilst the anthem was being played, this resulted in the
>order of service being adjusted to have the anthem at the beginning of
>future FA cup finals instead.

That sounds plausible.
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