TMS320 wrote:
> On 04/09/2021 16:36, Mike Collins wrote:
>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 15:48:42 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 04/09/2021 04:00 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 00:10:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>> On 03/09/2021 07:22 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 19:11:09 UTC+1, JNugent
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:31 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:59:10 UTC+1, JNugent
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 05:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:13:55 UTC+1,
>>>>>>>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 04:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 15:51:00 UTC+1,
>>>>>>>>>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 12:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 11:59:33
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:12 am, Mike Collins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 01:10:30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:28 pm, Mike Collins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16:56:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:23 am, Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:40:29 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems reasonable enough:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> park on your own off-street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> land (eg, a driveway), or don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep a motor vehicle at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What if you have more visitors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who arrive by car than you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off road parking for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have to find somewhere safe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and non-obstructive to park, of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course. <rolls eyes at stupidity of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as in the street adjacent to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *If* it's safe and non-obstructive (and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not on a yellow line or similar), then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you saying motor vehicles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should never be left on public roads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under any circumstances?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only that vehicles - of all types -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must be parked in public places where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is safe and non-obstructive (and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lawful) to do so. Is there a problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said: "It seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable enough: park on your own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-street land (eg, a driveway), or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Is there something wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there's no street space for parking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside or very near to your home (narrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streets, yellow or red lines, etc), you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't park on the street. You have to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your car off the highway, whether within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the curtilage of your home (assuming there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is such a space), or perhaps in a rented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space (lock-up garage or similar, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driveway not used by an occupant willing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rent it to you, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you stand by that statement? If not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can you clarify when and where it is ok
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave a motor vehicle on public roads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Nugentworld.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If "home" is a place where you simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot park safely, non-obstructively and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore lawfully on the street, that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously a place where you cannot... er...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave a vehicle on the street.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other places, where there is space for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parked vehicles to be parked safely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully fall into a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different category.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you having difficulty with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are (and it seems that you are),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's odd that in a parallel thread, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack people bringing their children to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school, presumably on the basis that doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so involves parking (even if for only a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> short time) unsafely and obstructively (and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore unlawfully).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably only you are allowed to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree public roads should not be used for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garaging and the public road adjacent to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property should be available to all. You seem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be of the opinion motor vehicles should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never be left unattended on a public road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. You are making it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said that vehicles (and this applies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everywhere) must be parked safely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said: "It seems reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a
>>>>>>>>>>>> driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at
>>>>>>>>>>>> all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Would like to clarify, modify or withdraw that
>>>>>>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that to be a question (though not
>>>>>>>>>>> punctuated as one), the answer is that have no wish
>>>>>>>>>>> to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What did you say about punctuation? "The answer is
>>>>>>>>>> that have"
>>>>>>>>> That was a typo. Not every key on this Dell keyboard
>>>>>>>>> responds correctly to the same pressure. The "shift 9"
>>>>>>>>> often comes up as 9 instead of ( die to the shift key
>>>>>>>>> not always recognising pressure. Similarly, the i
>>>>>>>>> button doesn't always respond to a light touch (and I
>>>>>>>>> am not such a good typist that I can look at the screen
>>>>>>>>> rather than the keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OTOH, using a full stop rather than a question mark is
>>>>>>>>> a different category of error, I suggest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But never mind all that... do you agree that if a
>>>>>>>>> vehicle cannot be parked on the highway safely,
>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully, then it ought not to be
>>>>>>>>> there at all?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you agree you said "It seems reasonable enough: park
>>>>>>>> on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't
>>>>>>>> keep a motor vehicle at all"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so please answer the question about visitors.
>>>>>>> The same applies to everyone. If you can't park safely,
>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully at the place you wish to
>>>>>>> visit, you have to park somewhere else where that will not
>>>>>>> apply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not rocket surgery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again you are avoiding the issue.
>>>>> Untrue.
>>>>>> Can motor vehicles be left on the public roads?
>>>>> If you meant to ask "may motor vehicles be left on public
>>>>> roads?", the answer is "Yes - in certain circumstances".
>>>>>> If so for how long and under what circumstances?
>>>>> The duration isn't important.
>>>>>
>>>>> The required circumstances is that the parking is not unsafe,
>>>>> obstructive or otherwise unlawful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any other questions
>>>
>>>>>> I agree you need off road parking in order to own a motor
>>>>>> vehicle.
>>>
>>>>> Good.
>>>>
>>>> So you are denying you said
>>>>
>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land
>>>> (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>> I did indeed write that.
>>>
>>> There is no way in which it may be construed (by a sane and
>>> competent English speaker) as a statement that motor-vehicles must
>>> never be left unattended on a highway.
>>>
>>> All that is claimed is that if a vehicle is left on a highway, it
>>> must be left in a position which is safe, non-obstructive and
>>> lawful.
>>
>> No, it clearly states motor vehicles can only be parked on private
>> land. In the past you have stated there is a difference between
>> parking (leaving a motor vehicle temporarily on a public road) and
>> garaging (storing a motor vehicle on a public road).
>>
>
> If anybody else had written what Nugent had written, imagine the gush
> of pedantry. He does not get a get out of jail free card.

On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 19:55:43 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
> Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 17:14:41 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 04/09/2021 04:36 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 15:48:42 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 04/09/2021 04:00 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 00:10:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>> On 03/09/2021 07:22 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 19:11:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:31 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:59:10 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 05:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:13:55 UTC+1, JNugent
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 04:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 15:51:00 UTC+1, JNugent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 12:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 11:59:33 UTC+1, JNugent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:12 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 01:10:30 UTC+1,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:28 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:56:36 UTC+1,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:23 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 01:40:29 UTC+1,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems reasonable enough: park on your own
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a motor vehicle at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What if you have more visitors who arrive by car
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than you have off road parking for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have to find somewhere safe and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructive to park, of course. <rolls eyes at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupidity of question>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as in the street adjacent to the property?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *If* it's safe and non-obstructive (and not on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yellow line or similar), then yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you saying motor vehicles should never be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left on public roads under any circumstances?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only that vehicles - of all types - must be parked
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in public places where it is safe and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructive (and lawful) to do so.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motor vehicle at all."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Is there something wrong with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there's no street space for parking outside or very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> near to your home (narrow streets, yellow or red
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines, etc), you can't park on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street. You have to get your car off the highway,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether within the curtilage of your home (assuming
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is such a space), or perhaps in a rented space
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (lock-up garage or similar, a driveway not used by an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupant willing to rent it to you, etc).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you stand by that statement? If not can you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clarify when and where it is ok to leave a motor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle on public roads in Nugentworld.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If "home" is a place where you simply cannot park
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and therefore lawfully on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the street, that is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously a place where you cannot... er... leave a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle on the street.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other places, where there is space for parked vehicles
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be parked safely, non-obstructively and lawfully
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fall into a different category.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you having difficulty with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are (and it seems that you are), it's odd that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a parallel thread, you attack people bringing their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> children to school, presumably on the basis that doing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so involves parking (even if for only a short time)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsafely and obstructively (and therefore unlawfully).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably only you are allowed to do that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree public roads should not be used for garaging
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the public road adjacent to your property should be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available to all. You seem to be of the opinion motor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles should never be left unattended on a public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> road.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. You are making it up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said that vehicles (and this applies everywhere) must
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be parked safely, non-obstructively and lawfully.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would like to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that to be a question (though not punctuated as
> >>>>>>>>>>>> one), the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> answer is that have no wish to clarify, modify or withdraw
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that statement.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What did you say about punctuation?
> >>>>>>>>>>> "The answer is that have"
> >>>>>>>>>> That was a typo. Not every key on this Dell keyboard
> >>>>>>>>>> responds correctly to the same pressure. The "shift 9" often
> >>>>>>>>>> comes up as 9 instead of ( die to the shift key not always
> >>>>>>>>>> recognising pressure. Similarly, the i button doesn't always
> >>>>>>>>>> respond to a light touch (and I am not such a good typist
> >>>>>>>>>> that I can look at the screen rather than the keyboard).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> OTOH, using a full stop rather than a question mark is a
> >>>>>>>>>> different category of error, I suggest.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> But never mind all that... do you agree that if a vehicle
> >>>>>>>>>> cannot be parked on the highway safely, non-obstructively
> >>>>>>>>>> and lawfully, then it ought not to be there at all?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do you agree you said
> >>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land
> >>>>>>>>> (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If so please answer the question about visitors.
> >>>>>>>> The same applies to everyone. If you can't park safely,
> >>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully at the place you wish to visit,
> >>>>>>>> you have to park somewhere else where that will not apply.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This is not rocket surgery.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Once again you are avoiding the issue.
> >>>>>> Untrue.
> >>>>>>> Can motor vehicles be left on the public roads?
> >>>>>> If you meant to ask "may motor vehicles be left on public
> >>>>>> roads?", the answer is "Yes - in certain circumstances".
> >>>>>>> If so for how long and under what circumstances?
> >>>>>> The duration isn't important.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The required circumstances is that the parking is not unsafe,
> >>>>>> obstructive or otherwise unlawful.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any other questions
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> I agree you need off road parking in order to own a motor
> >>>>>>> vehicle.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So you are denying you said
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land
> >>>>> (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
> >>
> >>>> I did indeed write that.
> >>>
> >>>> There is no way in which it may be construed (by a sane and
> >>>> competent English speaker) as a statement that motor-vehicles must
> >>>> never be left unattended on a highway.
> >>>
> >>>> All that is claimed is that if a vehicle is left on a highway, it
> >>>> must be left in a position which is safe, non-obstructive and
> >>>> lawful.
> >>>
> >>> No, it clearly states motor vehicles can only be parked on private
> >>> land...
> >>
> >> ... at HOME.
> >>
> >> There is no reason why it should apply elsewhere.
> >
> > there was no mention of home in your statement.
> >
> >>> In the past you have stated there is a difference between parking
> >>> (leaving a motor vehicle temporarily on a public road) and garaging
> >>> (storing a motor vehicle on a public road). Indeed.
> >>
> >> And?
> >
> > I agree the public road adjacent to a property does not belong to the
> > resident. But you did not say that.
> Prick

On 04/09/2021 07:40 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 17:14:41 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 04/09/2021 04:36 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 15:48:42 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 04/09/2021 04:00 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 00:10:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 07:22 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 19:11:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:31 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:59:10 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 05:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:13:55 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 04:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 15:51:00 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 12:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 11:59:33 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:12 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 01:10:30 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:28 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:56:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:23 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 01:40:29 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems reasonable enough: park on ***your own off-street land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (eg, a driveway)***, or don't keep a motor vehicle at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What if you have more visitors who arrive by car than you have off road parking for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have to find somewhere safe and non-obstructive to park, of course.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rolls eyes at stupidity of question>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as in the street adjacent to the property?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *If* it's safe and non-obstructive (and not on a yellow line or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar), then yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you saying motor vehicles should never be left on public roads under any circumstances?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only that vehicles - of all types - must be parked in public places
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it is safe and non-obstructive (and lawful) to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Is there something wrong with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there's no street space for parking outside or very near to your home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (narrow streets, yellow or red lines, etc), you can't park on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street. You have to get your car off the highway, whether within the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curtilage of your home (assuming there is such a space), or perhaps in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rented space (lock-up garage or similar, a driveway not used by an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupant willing to rent it to you, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you stand by that statement? If not can you clarify when and where it is ok to leave a motor vehicle on public roads in Nugentworld.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If "home" is a place where you simply cannot park safely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and therefore lawfully on the street, that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously a place where you cannot... er... leave a vehicle on the street.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other places, where there is space for parked vehicles to be parked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully fall into a different category.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you having difficulty with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are (and it seems that you are), it's odd that in a parallel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread, you attack people bringing their children to school, presumably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the basis that doing so involves parking (even if for only a short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time) unsafely and obstructively (and therefore unlawfully).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably only you are allowed to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree public roads should not be used for garaging and the public road adjacent to your property should be available to all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You seem to be of the opinion motor vehicles should never be left unattended on a public road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. You are making it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said that vehicles (and this applies everywhere) must be parked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would like to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that to be a question (though not punctuated as one), the
>>>>>>>>>>>> answer is that have no wish to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What did you say about punctuation?
>>>>>>>>>>> "The answer is that have"
>>>>>>>>>> That was a typo. Not every key on this Dell keyboard responds correctly
>>>>>>>>>> to the same pressure. The "shift 9" often comes up as 9 instead of ( die
>>>>>>>>>> to the shift key not always recognising pressure. Similarly, the i
>>>>>>>>>> button doesn't always respond to a light touch (and I am not such a good
>>>>>>>>>> typist that I can look at the screen rather than the keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, using a full stop rather than a question mark is a different
>>>>>>>>>> category of error, I suggest.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But never mind all that... do you agree that if a vehicle cannot be
>>>>>>>>>> parked on the highway safely, non-obstructively and lawfully, then it
>>>>>>>>>> ought not to be there at all?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you agree you said
>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If so please answer the question about visitors.
>>>>>>>> The same applies to everyone. If you can't park safely,
>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully at the place you wish to visit, you have
>>>>>>>> to park somewhere else where that will not apply.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not rocket surgery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again you are avoiding the issue.
>>>>>> Untrue.
>>>>>>> Can motor vehicles be left on the public roads?
>>>>>> If you meant to ask "may motor vehicles be left on public roads?", the
>>>>>> answer is "Yes - in certain circumstances".
>>>>>>> If so for how long and under what circumstances?
>>>>>> The duration isn't important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The required circumstances is that the parking is not unsafe,
>>>>>> obstructive or otherwise unlawful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any other questions
>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree you need off road parking in order to own a motor vehicle.
>>>>
>>>>>> Good.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you are denying you said
>>>>>
>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>
>>>> I did indeed write that.
>>>
>>>> There is no way in which it may be construed (by a sane and competent
>>>> English speaker) as a statement that motor-vehicles must never be left
>>>> unattended on a highway.
>>>
>>>> All that is claimed is that if a vehicle is left on a highway, it must
>>>> be left in a position which is safe, non-obstructive and lawful.
>>>
>>> No, it clearly states motor vehicles can only be parked on private land...
>>
>> ... at HOME.
>>
>> There is no reason why it should apply elsewhere.
>
> there was no mention of home in your statement.

On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> On 04/09/2021 07:40 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 17:14:41 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 04/09/2021 04:36 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 15:48:42 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 04/09/2021 04:00 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 00:10:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>> On 03/09/2021 07:22 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 19:11:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:31 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:59:10 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 05:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:13:55 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 04:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 15:51:00 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 12:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 11:59:33 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:12 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 01:10:30 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:28 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:56:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:23 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 01:40:29 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems reasonable enough: park on ***your own off-street land
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (eg, a driveway)***, or don't keep a motor vehicle at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What if you have more visitors who arrive by car than you have off road parking for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have to find somewhere safe and non-obstructive to park, of course.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rolls eyes at stupidity of question>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as in the street adjacent to the property?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *If* it's safe and non-obstructive (and not on a yellow line or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar), then yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you saying motor vehicles should never be left on public roads under any circumstances?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only that vehicles - of all types - must be parked in public places
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it is safe and non-obstructive (and lawful) to do so.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Is there something wrong with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there's no street space for parking outside or very near to your home
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (narrow streets, yellow or red lines, etc), you can't park on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street. You have to get your car off the highway, whether within the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curtilage of your home (assuming there is such a space), or perhaps in a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rented space (lock-up garage or similar, a driveway not used by an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupant willing to rent it to you, etc).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you stand by that statement? If not can you clarify when and where it is ok to leave a motor vehicle on public roads in Nugentworld.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If "home" is a place where you simply cannot park safely,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and therefore lawfully on the street, that is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously a place where you cannot... er... leave a vehicle on the street.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other places, where there is space for parked vehicles to be parked
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully fall into a different category.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you having difficulty with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are (and it seems that you are), it's odd that in a parallel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread, you attack people bringing their children to school, presumably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the basis that doing so involves parking (even if for only a short
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time) unsafely and obstructively (and therefore unlawfully).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably only you are allowed to do that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree public roads should not be used for garaging and the public road adjacent to your property should be available to all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You seem to be of the opinion motor vehicles should never be left unattended on a public road.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. You are making it up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said that vehicles (and this applies everywhere) must be parked
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would like to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that to be a question (though not punctuated as one), the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> answer is that have no wish to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What did you say about punctuation?
> >>>>>>>>>>> "The answer is that have"
> >>>>>>>>>> That was a typo. Not every key on this Dell keyboard responds correctly
> >>>>>>>>>> to the same pressure. The "shift 9" often comes up as 9 instead of ( die
> >>>>>>>>>> to the shift key not always recognising pressure. Similarly, the i
> >>>>>>>>>> button doesn't always respond to a light touch (and I am not such a good
> >>>>>>>>>> typist that I can look at the screen rather than the keyboard)..
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> OTOH, using a full stop rather than a question mark is a different
> >>>>>>>>>> category of error, I suggest.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> But never mind all that... do you agree that if a vehicle cannot be
> >>>>>>>>>> parked on the highway safely, non-obstructively and lawfully, then it
> >>>>>>>>>> ought not to be there at all?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do you agree you said
> >>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If so please answer the question about visitors.
> >>>>>>>> The same applies to everyone. If you can't park safely,
> >>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully at the place you wish to visit, you have
> >>>>>>>> to park somewhere else where that will not apply.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This is not rocket surgery.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Once again you are avoiding the issue.
> >>>>>> Untrue.
> >>>>>>> Can motor vehicles be left on the public roads?
> >>>>>> If you meant to ask "may motor vehicles be left on public roads?", the
> >>>>>> answer is "Yes - in certain circumstances".
> >>>>>>> If so for how long and under what circumstances?
> >>>>>> The duration isn't important.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The required circumstances is that the parking is not unsafe,
> >>>>>> obstructive or otherwise unlawful.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any other questions
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> I agree you need off road parking in order to own a motor vehicle..
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So you are denying you said
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
> >>
> >>>> I did indeed write that.
> >>>
> >>>> There is no way in which it may be construed (by a sane and competent
> >>>> English speaker) as a statement that motor-vehicles must never be left
> >>>> unattended on a highway.
> >>>
> >>>> All that is claimed is that if a vehicle is left on a highway, it must
> >>>> be left in a position which is safe, non-obstructive and lawful.
> >>>
> >>> No, it clearly states motor vehicles can only be parked on private land...
> >>
> >> ... at HOME.
> >>
> >> There is no reason why it should apply elsewhere.
> >
> > there was no mention of home in your statement.
> Which bit of "your own off-street land (eg, a driveway)" do you say is
> not at one's home?

On 5/09/21 06:55, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> I agree the public road adjacent to a property does not belong to the
>> resident. But you did not say that.
> Prick
>
>
Rock music tenderly sees to her child.

On 05/09/2021 03:35 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 04/09/2021 07:40 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 17:14:41 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 04/09/2021 04:36 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 15:48:42 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 04:00 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 00:10:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 07:22 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 19:11:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:31 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:59:10 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 05:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:13:55 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 04:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 15:51:00 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 12:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 11:59:33 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:12 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 01:10:30 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:28 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:56:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:23 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 01:40:29 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems reasonable enough: park on ***your own off-street land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (eg, a driveway)***, or don't keep a motor vehicle at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What if you have more visitors who arrive by car than you have off road parking for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have to find somewhere safe and non-obstructive to park, of course.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rolls eyes at stupidity of question>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as in the street adjacent to the property?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *If* it's safe and non-obstructive (and not on a yellow line or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar), then yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you saying motor vehicles should never be left on public roads under any circumstances?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only that vehicles - of all types - must be parked in public places
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it is safe and non-obstructive (and lawful) to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Is there something wrong with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there's no street space for parking outside or very near to your home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (narrow streets, yellow or red lines, etc), you can't park on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street. You have to get your car off the highway, whether within the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curtilage of your home (assuming there is such a space), or perhaps in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rented space (lock-up garage or similar, a driveway not used by an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupant willing to rent it to you, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you stand by that statement? If not can you clarify when and where it is ok to leave a motor vehicle on public roads in Nugentworld.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If "home" is a place where you simply cannot park safely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and therefore lawfully on the street, that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously a place where you cannot... er... leave a vehicle on the street.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other places, where there is space for parked vehicles to be parked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully fall into a different category.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you having difficulty with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are (and it seems that you are), it's odd that in a parallel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread, you attack people bringing their children to school, presumably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the basis that doing so involves parking (even if for only a short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time) unsafely and obstructively (and therefore unlawfully).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably only you are allowed to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree public roads should not be used for garaging and the public road adjacent to your property should be available to all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You seem to be of the opinion motor vehicles should never be left unattended on a public road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. You are making it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said that vehicles (and this applies everywhere) must be parked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would like to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that to be a question (though not punctuated as one), the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer is that have no wish to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you say about punctuation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The answer is that have"
>>>>>>>>>>>> That was a typo. Not every key on this Dell keyboard responds correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same pressure. The "shift 9" often comes up as 9 instead of ( die
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the shift key not always recognising pressure. Similarly, the i
>>>>>>>>>>>> button doesn't always respond to a light touch (and I am not such a good
>>>>>>>>>>>> typist that I can look at the screen rather than the keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, using a full stop rather than a question mark is a different
>>>>>>>>>>>> category of error, I suggest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But never mind all that... do you agree that if a vehicle cannot be
>>>>>>>>>>>> parked on the highway safely, non-obstructively and lawfully, then it
>>>>>>>>>>>> ought not to be there at all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree you said
>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If so please answer the question about visitors.
>>>>>>>>>> The same applies to everyone. If you can't park safely,
>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully at the place you wish to visit, you have
>>>>>>>>>> to park somewhere else where that will not apply.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket surgery.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once again you are avoiding the issue.
>>>>>>>> Untrue.
>>>>>>>>> Can motor vehicles be left on the public roads?
>>>>>>>> If you meant to ask "may motor vehicles be left on public roads?", the
>>>>>>>> answer is "Yes - in certain circumstances".
>>>>>>>>> If so for how long and under what circumstances?
>>>>>>>> The duration isn't important.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The required circumstances is that the parking is not unsafe,
>>>>>>>> obstructive or otherwise unlawful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any other questions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree you need off road parking in order to own a motor vehicle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you are denying you said
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>>>
>>>>>> I did indeed write that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no way in which it may be construed (by a sane and competent
>>>>>> English speaker) as a statement that motor-vehicles must never be left
>>>>>> unattended on a highway.
>>>>>
>>>>>> All that is claimed is that if a vehicle is left on a highway, it must
>>>>>> be left in a position which is safe, non-obstructive and lawful.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it clearly states motor vehicles can only be parked on private land...
>>>>
>>>> ... at HOME.
>>>>
>>>> There is no reason why it should apply elsewhere.
>>>
>>> there was no mention of home in your statement.
>> Which bit of "your own off-street land (eg, a driveway)" do you say is
>> not at one's home?
>
> So, once again, you are stating motor vehicles cannot be parked on public roads.

On 5/09/21 06:56, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> If anybody else had written what Nugent had written, imagine the gush
>> of pedantry. He does not get a get out of jail free card.
> Prick
>
>
A stumbling first step loves a good joke!

On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:47:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> On 05/09/2021 03:35 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 04/09/2021 07:40 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 17:14:41 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 04/09/2021 04:36 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 15:48:42 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>> On 04/09/2021 04:00 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 00:10:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 07:22 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 19:11:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:31 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:59:10 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 05:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:13:55 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 04:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 15:51:00 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 12:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 11:59:33 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:12 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 01:10:30 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:28 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:56:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:23 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 01:40:29 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems reasonable enough: park on ***your own off-street land
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (eg, a driveway)***, or don't keep a motor vehicle at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What if you have more visitors who arrive by car than you have off road parking for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have to find somewhere safe and non-obstructive to park, of course.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rolls eyes at stupidity of question>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as in the street adjacent to the property?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *If* it's safe and non-obstructive (and not on a yellow line or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar), then yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you saying motor vehicles should never be left on public roads under any circumstances?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only that vehicles - of all types - must be parked in public places
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it is safe and non-obstructive (and lawful) to do so.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Is there something wrong with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there's no street space for parking outside or very near to your home
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (narrow streets, yellow or red lines, etc), you can't park on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street. You have to get your car off the highway, whether within the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curtilage of your home (assuming there is such a space), or perhaps in a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rented space (lock-up garage or similar, a driveway not used by an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupant willing to rent it to you, etc).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you stand by that statement? If not can you clarify when and where it is ok to leave a motor vehicle on public roads in Nugentworld.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If "home" is a place where you simply cannot park safely,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and therefore lawfully on the street, that is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously a place where you cannot... er... leave a vehicle on the street.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other places, where there is space for parked vehicles to be parked
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully fall into a different category.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you having difficulty with that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are (and it seems that you are), it's odd that in a parallel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread, you attack people bringing their children to school, presumably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the basis that doing so involves parking (even if for only a short
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time) unsafely and obstructively (and therefore unlawfully).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably only you are allowed to do that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree public roads should not be used for garaging and the public road adjacent to your property should be available to all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You seem to be of the opinion motor vehicles should never be left unattended on a public road.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. You are making it up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said that vehicles (and this applies everywhere) must be parked
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would like to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that to be a question (though not punctuated as one), the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer is that have no wish to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you say about punctuation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "The answer is that have"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That was a typo. Not every key on this Dell keyboard responds correctly
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to the same pressure. The "shift 9" often comes up as 9 instead of ( die
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to the shift key not always recognising pressure. Similarly, the i
> >>>>>>>>>>>> button doesn't always respond to a light touch (and I am not such a good
> >>>>>>>>>>>> typist that I can look at the screen rather than the keyboard).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, using a full stop rather than a question mark is a different
> >>>>>>>>>>>> category of error, I suggest.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But never mind all that... do you agree that if a vehicle cannot be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> parked on the highway safely, non-obstructively and lawfully, then it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ought not to be there at all?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree you said
> >>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all"
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If so please answer the question about visitors.
> >>>>>>>>>> The same applies to everyone. If you can't park safely,
> >>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully at the place you wish to visit, you have
> >>>>>>>>>> to park somewhere else where that will not apply.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket surgery.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Once again you are avoiding the issue.
> >>>>>>>> Untrue.
> >>>>>>>>> Can motor vehicles be left on the public roads?
> >>>>>>>> If you meant to ask "may motor vehicles be left on public roads?", the
> >>>>>>>> answer is "Yes - in certain circumstances".
> >>>>>>>>> If so for how long and under what circumstances?
> >>>>>>>> The duration isn't important.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The required circumstances is that the parking is not unsafe,
> >>>>>>>> obstructive or otherwise unlawful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Any other questions
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I agree you need off road parking in order to own a motor vehicle.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So you are denying you said
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
> >>>>
> >>>>>> I did indeed write that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> There is no way in which it may be construed (by a sane and competent
> >>>>>> English speaker) as a statement that motor-vehicles must never be left
> >>>>>> unattended on a highway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> All that is claimed is that if a vehicle is left on a highway, it must
> >>>>>> be left in a position which is safe, non-obstructive and lawful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, it clearly states motor vehicles can only be parked on private land...
> >>>>
> >>>> ... at HOME.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is no reason why it should apply elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>> there was no mention of home in your statement.
> >> Which bit of "your own off-street land (eg, a driveway)" do you say is
> >> not at one's home?
> >
> > So, once again, you are stating motor vehicles cannot be parked on public roads.
> You are mad.

On 05/09/2021 11:33 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 10:47:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 05/09/2021 03:35 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 01:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 04/09/2021 07:40 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 17:14:41 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 04:36 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 15:48:42 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2021 04:00 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 00:10:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 07:22 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 19:11:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:31 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:59:10 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 05:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:13:55 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 04:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 15:51:00 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 12:37 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 11:59:33 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2021 06:12 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 01:10:30 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:28 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:56:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2021 06:23 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 01:40:29 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems reasonable enough: park on ***your own off-street land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (eg, a driveway)***, or don't keep a motor vehicle at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What if you have more visitors who arrive by car than you have off road parking for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have to find somewhere safe and non-obstructive to park, of course.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rolls eyes at stupidity of question>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as in the street adjacent to the property?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *If* it's safe and non-obstructive (and not on a yellow line or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar), then yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you saying motor vehicles should never be left on public roads under any circumstances?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only that vehicles - of all types - must be parked in public places
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it is safe and non-obstructive (and lawful) to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a problem with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Is there something wrong with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there's no street space for parking outside or very near to your home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (narrow streets, yellow or red lines, etc), you can't park on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street. You have to get your car off the highway, whether within the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curtilage of your home (assuming there is such a space), or perhaps in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rented space (lock-up garage or similar, a driveway not used by an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupant willing to rent it to you, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you stand by that statement? If not can you clarify when and where it is ok to leave a motor vehicle on public roads in Nugentworld.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If "home" is a place where you simply cannot park safely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and therefore lawfully on the street, that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously a place where you cannot... er... leave a vehicle on the street.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other places, where there is space for parked vehicles to be parked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully fall into a different category.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you having difficulty with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are (and it seems that you are), it's odd that in a parallel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread, you attack people bringing their children to school, presumably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the basis that doing so involves parking (even if for only a short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time) unsafely and obstructively (and therefore unlawfully).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably only you are allowed to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree public roads should not be used for garaging and the public road adjacent to your property should be available to all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You seem to be of the opinion motor vehicles should never be left unattended on a public road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said that. You are making it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said that vehicles (and this applies everywhere) must be parked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safely, non-obstructively and lawfully.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one who said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would like to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that to be a question (though not punctuated as one), the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer is that have no wish to clarify, modify or withdraw that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you say about punctuation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The answer is that have"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That was a typo. Not every key on this Dell keyboard responds correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same pressure. The "shift 9" often comes up as 9 instead of ( die
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the shift key not always recognising pressure. Similarly, the i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button doesn't always respond to a light touch (and I am not such a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> typist that I can look at the screen rather than the keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, using a full stop rather than a question mark is a different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category of error, I suggest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But never mind all that... do you agree that if a vehicle cannot be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parked on the highway safely, non-obstructively and lawfully, then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ought not to be there at all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree you said
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so please answer the question about visitors.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The same applies to everyone. If you can't park safely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> non-obstructively and lawfully at the place you wish to visit, you have
>>>>>>>>>>>> to park somewhere else where that will not apply.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket surgery.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are avoiding the issue.
>>>>>>>>>> Untrue.
>>>>>>>>>>> Can motor vehicles be left on the public roads?
>>>>>>>>>> If you meant to ask "may motor vehicles be left on public roads?", the
>>>>>>>>>> answer is "Yes - in certain circumstances".
>>>>>>>>>>> If so for how long and under what circumstances?
>>>>>>>>>> The duration isn't important.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The required circumstances is that the parking is not unsafe,
>>>>>>>>>> obstructive or otherwise unlawful.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any other questions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree you need off road parking in order to own a motor vehicle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you are denying you said
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "It seems reasonable enough: park on your own off-street land (eg, a driveway), or don't keep a motor vehicle at all."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did indeed write that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no way in which it may be construed (by a sane and competent
>>>>>>>> English speaker) as a statement that motor-vehicles must never be left
>>>>>>>> unattended on a highway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All that is claimed is that if a vehicle is left on a highway, it must
>>>>>>>> be left in a position which is safe, non-obstructive and lawful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it clearly states motor vehicles can only be parked on private land...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... at HOME.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no reason why it should apply elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> there was no mention of home in your statement.
>>>> Which bit of "your own off-street land (eg, a driveway)" do you say is
>>>> not at one's home?
>>>
>>> So, once again, you are stating motor vehicles cannot be parked on public roads.
>> You are mad.
>
> No, just eccentric.

On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:40:44 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> On 05/09/2021 11:33 am, Mike Collins wrote:

> > No, just eccentric.
> That's one way of putting it.

How would you put it?
>
> The tenants must love that.

I think you meant to say 'I have lost the argument but I am not mature enough to admit it'.

I respect my tenants privacy and keep my properties in good repair.

Mike Collins wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:40:44 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 05/09/2021 11:33 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>
>>> No, just eccentric.
>> That's one way of putting it.
>
> How would you put it?
>>
>> The tenants must love that.
>
> I think you meant to say 'I have lost the argument but I am not
> mature enough to admit it'.
>
> I respect my tenants privacy and keep my properties in good repair.

Prick.

On 05/09/2021 06:41 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 17:40:44 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 05/09/2021 11:33 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>
>>> No, [I am] just eccentric.

>> That's one way of putting it.
>
> How would you put it?

Is it important enough for me to need to "put it" in any way at all.
>
>> The tenants must love that.
>
> I think you meant to say 'I have lost the argument but I am not mature enough to admit it'.
>
> I respect my tenants privacy and keep my properties in good repair.

So you don't park your car off-street at the properties you claim to
rent out.

Good, that's settled.

On 6/09/21 07:35, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

> Prick.
>
>
A late night says goodbye to the shooter.