Scrimshaw has a splendid moustache which wouldn't look out of place in
an old sepia photograph of an XI from the 1880s. (He also has a splendid
name. When he finished up taking three wickets after his terrible first
11 balls - legal ones, 17 if you add in the no balls - was that the
Scrimshaw Redemption?)

If more bowlers got through an over as admirably quickly as Tom Hartley,
we wouldn't have a problem with slow over rates. It shows what's
possible - for a spinner, at least.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 7:38:30 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> Scrimshaw has a splendid moustache which wouldn't look out of place in
> an old sepia photograph of an XI from the 1880s. (He also has a splendid
> name. When he finished up taking three wickets after his terrible first
> 11 balls - legal ones, 17 if you add in the no balls - was that the
> Scrimshaw Redemption?)

yes indeed - George Louis Sheridan Scrimshaw is a mouthful but spofforth he wasnt.
i dont remember ever seeing a bowler look so miserable after taking his first
england wkt! after the first 2 overs i did wonder if mick lewis's record might be in
danger. i dunno if steve finn ever sported a tache, but scrimo is like a slightly
slower version complete with problem runup. Hes hardly played anything
except t20 so bowling 8 overs was probably quite tough, but his last
6 gave him figures of 2-31, not so bad after that nightmare start.

but the other debutant, Hain did enjoy the experience and it was mainly thanks
to him and some slogging by carse that got england to a reasonable total
after jacks got out and at least they batted out their overs unlike the senior side.
even if it was our 2nd or 3rd XI, it was entertaining but theres something wrong when
9,10 & 11 hit 10x4 & 4x6 after being 188-8. Other teams are using such series
to warm up for the WC, ours are resting perhaps some are recovering, we shall
see which approach works out later.

>
> If more bowlers got through an over as admirably quickly as Tom Hartley,
> we wouldn't have a problem with slow over rates. It shows what's
> possible - for a spinner, at least.

and he was quite economical even if it was ahmed who got the wkts, and
at least he didnt bowl a nb unlike jacks, who batted brilliantly but bowled
abysmally.

also kudos to TB for producing such an excellent pitch so late in the season.

mike

On 23/09/2023 22:58, mike wrote:

> Other teams are using such series
> to warm up for the WC, ours are resting perhaps some are recovering, we shall
> see which approach works out later.

Almost all of the other teams are at the beginning of their season
rather than the end.

--
David North

On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:04:50 +0100, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On 23/09/2023 22:58, mike wrote:
>
>> Other teams are using such series
>> to warm up for the WC, ours are resting perhaps some are recovering, we shall
>> see which approach works out later.
>
>Almost all of the other teams are at the beginning of their season
>rather than the end.
>
Some teams must be coming off the back of a tour just to turn around
and head to the world cup.

max.it

On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:57:57 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:04:50 +0100, David North
> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On 23/09/2023 22:58, mike wrote:
> >
> >> Other teams are using such series
> >> to warm up for the WC, ours are resting perhaps some are recovering, we shall
> >> see which approach works out later.
> >
> >Almost all of the other teams are at the beginning of their season
> >rather than the end.
> >
> Some teams must be coming off the back of a tour just to turn around
> and head to the world cup.
>
> max.it

yes oz were in england RSA and now theyr being thrashed by india.
whereas englands WC squad have got their feet up watching the rugger
with a few beers.

mike

On 9/24/2023 2:40 PM, mike wrote:
> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:57:57 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:04:50 +0100, David North
>> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/09/2023 22:58, mike wrote:
>>>
>>>> Other teams are using such series
>>>> to warm up for the WC, ours are resting perhaps some are recovering, we shall
>>>> see which approach works out later.
>>>
>>> Almost all of the other teams are at the beginning of their season
>>> rather than the end.
>>>
>> Some teams must be coming off the back of a tour just to turn around
>> and head to the world cup.
>>
>> max.it
>
> yes oz were in england RSA and now theyr being thrashed by india.
> whereas englands WC squad have got their feet up watching the rugger
> with a few beers.
>
> mike

Very UNUSUAL for Australia to LOSE 5 ODIs in a row, three in SA and two
in India.

On 25/09/2023 11:38, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:

> Very UNUSUAL for Australia to LOSE 5 ODIs in a row, three in SA and two
> in India.

It's not as unusual as you'd think. They did more or less the same in
2020 - the last 2 in India followed by 3 in SA.

In 2018, they lost 7 in a row - 6 v England (1 in Aus, 5 in Eng) and 1
at home to SA.

In 2017, they lost 6 in a row (2 in NZ, 1 in Eng, 3 in Ind) if you don't
count 1 abandoned and 2 no-results.

In 2016, they lost 5-0 in SA.

So that's 5 times in the last 7 years, although we have to go back a
further 7 years to find the previous instance.

In contrast, India and England have each lost 5 in a row only once in
the last 7 years.

--
David North

On 9/25/2023 11:32 PM, David North wrote:
> On 25/09/2023 11:38, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>
>> Very UNUSUAL for Australia to LOSE 5 ODIs in a row, three in SA and
>> two in India.
>
> It's not as unusual as you'd think. They did more or less the same in
> 2020 - the last 2 in India followed by 3 in SA.
>
> In 2018, they lost 7 in a row - 6 v England (1 in Aus, 5 in Eng) and 1
> at home to SA.
>
> In 2017, they lost 6 in a row (2 in NZ, 1 in Eng, 3 in Ind) if you don't
> count 1 abandoned and 2 no-results.
>
> In 2016, they lost 5-0 in SA.
>
> So that's 5 times in the last 7 years, although we have to go back a
> further 7 years to find the previous instance.
>
> In contrast, India and England have each lost 5 in a row only once in
> the last 7 years.
>

My bad.

Australia being such a powerhouse in ODIs is least expected to lose 5 to
7 games in a row.