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From: newsgro...@gefion.myzen.co.uk (Scott)
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Subject: Strange tuning problem
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 by: Scott - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 20:01 UTC

I noticed that the HD versions of BBC Four and BBC News had
disappeared from my Humax box. I rescanned and these channels were
still missing. I thought maybe COM7 had closed already, so I tried
the kitchen TV and they were still there. I tried a manual search of
channel 55 only - no channels found. I then noticed it was set to
DVB-T1. I changed it to DVB-T2, tried again and retrieved the missing
channels. The other HD channels were present and unaffected, so why
would the settings for one multiplex only become corrupted?

As an aside, does anyone know (Mark?) when COM7 will shut down at
Blackhill and whether BBC Four HD and BBC News HD will move to another
multiplex?

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From: bria...@blueyonder.co.uk (Brian Gaff \(Sofa\))
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Subject: Re: Strange tuning problem
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:38 UTC

Hmm, Now a friend of mine tells me who actually uses the same transmitter as
me, that he has lost several SD channels including Forces TV in the last
month or so. He has a Panasonic of a few years old, I have last years
Samsung and they are still there. Could this be some casualty of channels
being shunted about on the multiplexers? The average viewer is probably
perplexed every time these 'hidden' changes occur.
Brian

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"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hm8rngtea94a36vd94lkd26nra9p15etai@4ax.com...
>I noticed that the HD versions of BBC Four and BBC News had
> disappeared from my Humax box. I rescanned and these channels were
> still missing. I thought maybe COM7 had closed already, so I tried
> the kitchen TV and they were still there. I tried a manual search of
> channel 55 only - no channels found. I then noticed it was set to
> DVB-T1. I changed it to DVB-T2, tried again and retrieved the missing
> channels. The other HD channels were present and unaffected, so why
> would the settings for one multiplex only become corrupted?
>
> As an aside, does anyone know (Mark?) when COM7 will shut down at
> Blackhill and whether BBC Four HD and BBC News HD will move to another
> multiplex?

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 by: Davey - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:10 UTC

(Top-posted for Brian).

Surely not? Why would the occasional unannounced reshuffle of channels
confuse us poor country folk? (Joke).

If only they would do the old Warning splash screen as they used to, it
wouldn't be so bad, but now you have to realise that a channel that was
there yesterday has disappeared today.
--
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:38:45 -0000
"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Hmm, Now a friend of mine tells me who actually uses the same
> transmitter as me, that he has lost several SD channels including
> Forces TV in the last month or so. He has a Panasonic of a few years
> old, I have last years Samsung and they are still there. Could this
> be some casualty of channels being shunted about on the
> multiplexers? The average viewer is probably perplexed every time
> these 'hidden' changes occur. Brian
>

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 by: Scott - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:51 UTC

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:38:45 -0000, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
<briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Hmm, Now a friend of mine tells me who actually uses the same transmitter as
>me, that he has lost several SD channels including Forces TV in the last
>month or so. He has a Panasonic of a few years old, I have last years
>Samsung and they are still there. Could this be some casualty of channels
>being shunted about on the multiplexers? The average viewer is probably
>perplexed every time these 'hidden' changes occur.

I don't think so in this case, as I understand the channels are
remaining on COM7 until COM7 closes to make way for 5G.

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 by: NY - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 11:45 UTC

"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nlpsngtovii8vlks4cn6niokrgborgunc4@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:38:45 -0000, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hmm, Now a friend of mine tells me who actually uses the same transmitter
>>as
>>me, that he has lost several SD channels including Forces TV in the last
>>month or so. He has a Panasonic of a few years old, I have last years
>>Samsung and they are still there. Could this be some casualty of channels
>>being shunted about on the multiplexers? The average viewer is probably
>>perplexed every time these 'hidden' changes occur.
>
> I don't think so in this case, as I understand the channels are
> remaining on COM7 until COM7 closes to make way for 5G.

Has it been announced yet what the plan is for the channels which are
currently on COM7? Is there space on the other multiplexes for them to be
slotted in piecemeal? I presume the sub-SD (*) channels can go into any of
PSB1, PSB2, COM4-6 wherever there is space, but the HD channels can only go
in PSB3 as it is (at present) the only other DVB-T2 multiplex. Maybe they
will move all the sub-SD channels (5SELECT and TBN UK) out of PSB3 to make
as much room as possible for the channels which can *only* use T2.

(*) 544x576 as opposed to full-SD 720x576

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 by: Mark Carver - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:51 UTC

On 30/10/2021 21:01, Scott wrote:
> I noticed that the HD versions of BBC Four and BBC News had
> disappeared from my Humax box. I rescanned and these channels were
> still missing. I thought maybe COM7 had closed already, so I tried
> the kitchen TV and they were still there. I tried a manual search of
> channel 55 only - no channels found. I then noticed it was set to
> DVB-T1. I changed it to DVB-T2, tried again and retrieved the missing
> channels. The other HD channels were present and unaffected, so why
> would the settings for one multiplex only become corrupted?

Ever since COM 7 became a national SFN, it's been troublesome.

One issue is because it is an SFN, it has to carry the SI for all 25
transmitters that carry it. That means there's a huge lump of data cross
referring six or seven other muxes, at the 25 sites.
This causes some receivers to get 'indigestion', and they just throw the
towel in trying to figure out what they should be receiving
> As an aside, does anyone know (Mark?) when COM7 will shut down at
> Blackhill and whether BBC Four HD and BBC News HD will move to another
> multiplex?
COM 7's licence expires on June 30th 2022

I think BBC 4 as a channel is on death row anyway. The extra large DOG
that's appeared is probably an attempt at 'constructive dismissal' to
finally piss off its clientele.
Then the Beeb can state, no viewers, so close the channel

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 by: Mark Carver - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:53 UTC

On 31/10/2021 11:45, NY wrote:
>
> Has it been announced yet what the plan is for the channels which are
> currently on COM7?

No. I suspect nothing will happen, and you'll have to revert to D-Sat or
i-player to get the two BBC channels in HD.
As said before, the audience for the COM7 channels is tiny.

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 by: Bob Latham - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 09:50 UTC

In article <iu9o8oFc7j0U2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 31/10/2021 11:45, NY wrote:
> >
> > Has it been announced yet what the plan is for the channels which
> > are currently on COM7?

> No. I suspect nothing will happen, and you'll have to revert to
> D-Sat or i-player to get the two BBC channels in HD. As said
> before, the audience for the COM7 channels is tiny.

Personally, the only one there I would miss is Quest HD.

Can't stomach watching the BBC these days.

Bob.

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 by: Mark Carver - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:22 UTC

On 01/11/2021 09:50, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <iu9o8oFc7j0U2@mid.individual.net>,
> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 31/10/2021 11:45, NY wrote:
>>> Has it been announced yet what the plan is for the channels which
>>> are currently on COM7?
>> No. I suspect nothing will happen, and you'll have to revert to
>> D-Sat or i-player to get the two BBC channels in HD. As said
>> before, the audience for the COM7 channels is tiny.
> Personally, the only one there I would miss is Quest HD.
>
>
Yes. There'd be no space for them on PSB 3, (even if they could afford
that !)

The whole progressive upgrade of DTT to T2 and HD seems to have stalled

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:27 UTC

Or it suddenly appears on832 or some weird unrelated number.

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"Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote in message
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> (Top-posted for Brian).
>
> Surely not? Why would the occasional unannounced reshuffle of channels
> confuse us poor country folk? (Joke).
>
> If only they would do the old Warning splash screen as they used to, it
> wouldn't be so bad, but now you have to realise that a channel that was
> there yesterday has disappeared today.
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>
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:38:45 -0000
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hmm, Now a friend of mine tells me who actually uses the same
>> transmitter as me, that he has lost several SD channels including
>> Forces TV in the last month or so. He has a Panasonic of a few years
>> old, I have last years Samsung and they are still there. Could this
>> be some casualty of channels being shunted about on the
>> multiplexers? The average viewer is probably perplexed every time
>> these 'hidden' changes occur. Brian
>>
>

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:30 UTC

And what then, who decides who stays and who goes? Do we get a say? I'd
banish all shopping channels to streaming myself, and possibly channels like
Blaze and food network as well, not to mention the plus 1 channels of
minority channels.
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"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:38:45 -0000, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hmm, Now a friend of mine tells me who actually uses the same transmitter
>>as
>>me, that he has lost several SD channels including Forces TV in the last
>>month or so. He has a Panasonic of a few years old, I have last years
>>Samsung and they are still there. Could this be some casualty of channels
>>being shunted about on the multiplexers? The average viewer is probably
>>perplexed every time these 'hidden' changes occur.
>
> I don't think so in this case, as I understand the channels are
> remaining on COM7 until COM7 closes to make way for 5G.

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:34 UTC

I have a feeling that what may already have happened is some subtle recoding
of channels on the one to be closed has happened and the older sets or
those not with software updates simply now reject them, whereas the newer
models know how to handle it. How long do manufacturers of smart tvs keep
their updates coming, and could it be a limitation of hardware, as my friend
has been moaning for some time of random not enough memory for this or
similar errors.
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"NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:38:45 -0000, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
>> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Hmm, Now a friend of mine tells me who actually uses the same transmitter
>>>as
>>>me, that he has lost several SD channels including Forces TV in the last
>>>month or so. He has a Panasonic of a few years old, I have last years
>>>Samsung and they are still there. Could this be some casualty of
>>>channels
>>>being shunted about on the multiplexers? The average viewer is probably
>>>perplexed every time these 'hidden' changes occur.
>>
>> I don't think so in this case, as I understand the channels are
>> remaining on COM7 until COM7 closes to make way for 5G.
>
> Has it been announced yet what the plan is for the channels which are
> currently on COM7? Is there space on the other multiplexes for them to be
> slotted in piecemeal? I presume the sub-SD (*) channels can go into any of
> PSB1, PSB2, COM4-6 wherever there is space, but the HD channels can only
> go in PSB3 as it is (at present) the only other DVB-T2 multiplex. Maybe
> they will move all the sub-SD channels (5SELECT and TBN UK) out of PSB3 to
> make as much room as possible for the channels which can *only* use T2.
>
> (*) 544x576 as opposed to full-SD 720x576

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:35 UTC

I mean who can resist watching Blakes 7 again, or Chips?
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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 31/10/2021 11:45, NY wrote:
>>
>> Has it been announced yet what the plan is for the channels which are
>> currently on COM7?
>
> No. I suspect nothing will happen, and you'll have to revert to D-Sat or
> i-player to get the two BBC channels in HD.
> As said before, the audience for the COM7 channels is tiny.

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:43 UTC

I actually watch bbc 4 as at least until recently had on it some really good
repeats of science and tech stuff, not seen in ages.
I suspect that eventually, and as soon as possible if the companies can do
it, Freeviews days are numbered, though a small subset only carrying
national 'traditional channels may stay, since the great Internet of Things
will gobble up the rest of the spectrum.
Eventually Sat services will only make sense for really hard to cover
places and the rest will come over a cable and be easier to control who sees
what and where and more to the point, how much it will cost.

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> On 30/10/2021 21:01, Scott wrote:
>> I noticed that the HD versions of BBC Four and BBC News had
>> disappeared from my Humax box. I rescanned and these channels were
>> still missing. I thought maybe COM7 had closed already, so I tried
>> the kitchen TV and they were still there. I tried a manual search of
>> channel 55 only - no channels found. I then noticed it was set to
>> DVB-T1. I changed it to DVB-T2, tried again and retrieved the missing
>> channels. The other HD channels were present and unaffected, so why
>> would the settings for one multiplex only become corrupted?
>
> Ever since COM 7 became a national SFN, it's been troublesome.
>
> One issue is because it is an SFN, it has to carry the SI for all 25
> transmitters that carry it. That means there's a huge lump of data cross
> referring six or seven other muxes, at the 25 sites.
> This causes some receivers to get 'indigestion', and they just throw the
> towel in trying to figure out what they should be receiving
>> As an aside, does anyone know (Mark?) when COM7 will shut down at
>> Blackhill and whether BBC Four HD and BBC News HD will move to another
>> multiplex?
> COM 7's licence expires on June 30th 2022
>
> I think BBC 4 as a channel is on death row anyway. The extra large DOG
> that's appeared is probably an attempt at 'constructive dismissal' to
> finally piss off its clientele.
> Then the Beeb can state, no viewers, so close the channel

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 by: MB - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 13:33 UTC

On 01/11/2021 10:34, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> How long do manufacturers of smart tvs keep
> their updates coming, and could it be a limitation of hardware, as my friend
> has been moaning for some time of random not enough memory for this or
> similar errors.

It seems that consumer goods like TVs only get updates for a couple of
years. My Panasonic stopped being fully compatible with iPlayer long ago.

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 by: williamwright - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 17:39 UTC

On 01/11/2021 08:51, Mark Carver wrote:

> I think BBC 4 as a channel is on death row anyway. The extra large DOG
> that's appeared is probably an attempt at 'constructive dismissal' to
> finally piss off its clientele.

It's very annoying.

My aerial has line of sight to Emley 17 miles away. The signal is
colossal. Yet I'm getting short periods of 'no signal' maybe every 30
minutes on average on the mux 7 channels.

Bill

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On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 17:39:21 +0000, williamwright
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>On 01/11/2021 08:51, Mark Carver wrote:
>
>> I think BBC 4 as a channel is on death row anyway. The extra large DOG
>> that's appeared is probably an attempt at 'constructive dismissal' to
>> finally piss off its clientele.
>
>It's very annoying.
>
>My aerial has line of sight to Emley 17 miles away. The signal is
>colossal. Yet I'm getting short periods of 'no signal' maybe every 30
>minutes on average on the mux 7 channels.
>
Could it be 5G interference? I believe you can now get filters.

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 by: NY - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 20:45 UTC

"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 17:39:21 +0000, williamwright
> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>>On 01/11/2021 08:51, Mark Carver wrote:
>>
>>> I think BBC 4 as a channel is on death row anyway. The extra large DOG
>>> that's appeared is probably an attempt at 'constructive dismissal' to
>>> finally piss off its clientele.
>>
>>It's very annoying.
>>
>>My aerial has line of sight to Emley 17 miles away. The signal is
>>colossal. Yet I'm getting short periods of 'no signal' maybe every 30
>>minutes on average on the mux 7 channels.
>>
> Could it be 5G interference? I believe you can now get filters.

Can you see anything on your spectrum analyser around the COM7 frequency at
the times of "no signal" - maybe a burst of something that is so strong
that it drowns out the signal. I suppose it depends on whether it is low
signal level or low SNR which triggers the TV's "no signal" message.

Could it be a rogue mobile mast (or rogue mobile phone) which is producing
5G signal on channel 55 even though that bit of the UHF spectrum hasn't yet
been cleared for use.

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 by: SH - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 22:40 UTC

On 01/11/2021 17:52, Scott wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 17:39:21 +0000, williamwright
> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> On 01/11/2021 08:51, Mark Carver wrote:
>>
>>> I think BBC 4 as a channel is on death row anyway. The extra large DOG
>>> that's appeared is probably an attempt at 'constructive dismissal' to
>>> finally piss off its clientele.
>>
>> It's very annoying.
>>
>> My aerial has line of sight to Emley 17 miles away. The signal is
>> colossal. Yet I'm getting short periods of 'no signal' maybe every 30
>> minutes on average on the mux 7 channels.
>>
> Could it be 5G interference? I believe you can now get filters.
>

Or on the edge of a mush zone with another nearby Tx also broadcasting
Mux 7? ISTR that Bill can get Crosspool & Bilsdale as well as Emley?

ISTR there is a recommended distance for SFNs, the DAB SFNs used to
quote 56 miles or km guard interval distance?

I have Mux 7 from both Oxford and Sandy Heath via two log periodics, I
shift these two muxes down to ch 38 and 39 and I don't have the issue
Bill describes on either downshifted Mux 7.

the two Tx'es are 101 apart from each other at my location and I use log
periodics.

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 by: Laurence Taylor - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 22:51 UTC

On 01/11/2021 10:35, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> I mean who can resist watching Blakes 7 again, or Chips?

They're now running the supernatural (not sure of that's quite the right
word) thriller The Omega Factor, which is well worth staying up for.

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 by: Mark Carver - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:08 UTC

On 01/11/2021 22:40, SH wrote:
>
> ISTR there is a recommended distance for SFNs, the DAB SFNs used to
> quote 56 miles or km guard interval distance?
>
The parameters chosen for COM 7 put the SFN separation distance at about
60 miles.

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 by: Scott - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 12:05 UTC

On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:08:49 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 01/11/2021 22:40, SH wrote:
>>
>> ISTR there is a recommended distance for SFNs, the DAB SFNs used to
>> quote 56 miles or km guard interval distance?
>>
>The parameters chosen for COM 7 put the SFN separation distance at about
>60 miles.
>
Is Darvel within 60 miles of Blackhill? I assume the directionality
of the receiving aerial should take care of most problems.

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 by: Mark Carver - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 12:21 UTC

On 02/11/2021 12:05, Scott wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:08:49 +0000, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 01/11/2021 22:40, SH wrote:
>>> ISTR there is a recommended distance for SFNs, the DAB SFNs used to
>>> quote 56 miles or km guard interval distance?
>>>
>> The parameters chosen for COM 7 put the SFN separation distance at about
>> 60 miles.
>>
> Is Darvel within 60 miles of Blackhill? I assume the directionality
> of the receiving aerial should take care of most problems.
It's not just distance alone, it's the path difference, and they can
also 'steer' the mush zones out of harm's way to an extent by adding in
time delays.
Are the other muxes from Darvel receivable at your location, if they are
down in the noise, then it's not likely your reception from Black Hill
COM 7 is being affected.

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 by: Scott - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 12:27 UTC

On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 12:21:45 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 02/11/2021 12:05, Scott wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:08:49 +0000, Mark Carver
>> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/11/2021 22:40, SH wrote:
>>>> ISTR there is a recommended distance for SFNs, the DAB SFNs used to
>>>> quote 56 miles or km guard interval distance?
>>>>
>>> The parameters chosen for COM 7 put the SFN separation distance at about
>>> 60 miles.
>>>
>> Is Darvel within 60 miles of Blackhill? I assume the directionality
>> of the receiving aerial should take care of most problems.
>It's not just distance alone, it's the path difference, and they can
>also 'steer' the mush zones out of harm's way to an extent by adding in
>time delays.
>Are the other muxes from Darvel receivable at your location, if they are
>down in the noise, then it's not likely your reception from Black Hill
>COM 7 is being affected.

So the good citizens of Glasgow will not be disturbed by our country
cousins in Ayrshire :-)

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 by: Jim Lesurf - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 09:49 UTC

In article <59847d743dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <iu9o8oFc7j0U2@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > On 31/10/2021 11:45, NY wrote:
> > >
> > > Has it been announced yet what the plan is for the channels which
> > > are currently on COM7?

> > No. I suspect nothing will happen, and you'll have to revert to D-Sat
> > or i-player to get the two BBC channels in HD. As said before, the
> > audience for the COM7 channels is tiny.

> Personally, the only one there I would miss is Quest HD.

> Can't stomach watching the BBC these days.

Seems a shame to miss the Proms as fall-out from your political rigidity.

Jim

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