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From: rai...@greywall.demon.co.uk (Graeme Wall)
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Subject: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and
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<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
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 by: Christopher A. Lee - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:44 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

><https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>

That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".

Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.

The report says he was hospitalised. I hope his injuries aren't too
bad.

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 by: Graeme Wall - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:35 UTC

On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>
> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>
> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.

Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.

>
> The report says he was hospitalised. I hope his injuries aren't too
> bad.
>

Hopefully.

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 by: GB - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:56 UTC

On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>
>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>
>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>
> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.

I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?

>
>>
>> The report says he was hospitalised. I hope his injuries aren't too
>> bad.
>>
>
> Hopefully.
>

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 by: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:58 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100
GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>
>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>
>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>
>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>
>I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?

Because Met line trains are almost the same size as mainline trains albeit
slightly lower but slightly wider, and don't run through single bore tube
shaped tunnels.

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 by: GB - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:29 UTC

On 27/04/2022 16:58, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100
> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>>
>>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>>
>>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>>
>>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>>
>> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>
> Because Met line trains are almost the same size as mainline trains albeit
> slightly lower but slightly wider, and don't run through single bore tube
> shaped tunnels.
>

That's quite a fine distinction. :)

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 by: NY - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:44 UTC

"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:t4br1s$2ki$1@dont-email.me...
> On 27/04/2022 16:58, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100
>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>>>
>>>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>>>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>>>
>>> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>>
>> Because Met line trains are almost the same size as mainline trains
>> albeit
>> slightly lower but slightly wider, and don't run through single bore tube
>> shaped tunnels.
>
>
>
> That's quite a fine distinction. :)

Yes I think it's a slightly petty distinction. "The Tube" in common parlance
(and the BBC News site is write for lay people, not railway experts) has
long meant "the whole London Underground system" - ie as opposed to National
Rail (formerly British Rail). The distinction between tube stock, overground
stock and NR stock is a matter of size, but I doubt whether the outcome of
being hit by one rather than the other would be much different.

I'd take greater exception to "London Underground: Track inspector hit by
Tube" as opposed to "London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube Train"
even though the word "train" might be implied because he wasn't hit by the
infrastructure (track, tunnel walls if there had been any, etc).

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 by: Tweed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:35 UTC

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
> news:t4br1s$2ki$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 27/04/2022 16:58, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100
>>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>>>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>>>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>>>>
>>>>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>>>>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>>>>
>>>> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>>>
>>> Because Met line trains are almost the same size as mainline trains
>>> albeit
>>> slightly lower but slightly wider, and don't run through single bore tube
>>> shaped tunnels.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's quite a fine distinction. :)
>
>
> Yes I think it's a slightly petty distinction. "The Tube" in common parlance
> (and the BBC News site is write for lay people, not railway experts) has
> long meant "the whole London Underground system" - ie as opposed to National
> Rail (formerly British Rail). The distinction between tube stock, overground
> stock and NR stock is a matter of size, but I doubt whether the outcome of
> being hit by one rather than the other would be much different.
>
It’s not just common parlance - it is used by TFL for both deep and sub
surface lines:

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/

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 by: Recliner - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:40 UTC

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:t4br1s$2ki$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 27/04/2022 16:58, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100
>>>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>>>>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>>>>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>>>>>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>>>>
>>>> Because Met line trains are almost the same size as mainline trains
>>>> albeit
>>>> slightly lower but slightly wider, and don't run through single bore tube
>>>> shaped tunnels.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's quite a fine distinction. :)
>>
>>
>> Yes I think it's a slightly petty distinction. "The Tube" in common parlance
>> (and the BBC News site is write for lay people, not railway experts) has
>> long meant "the whole London Underground system" - ie as opposed to National
>> Rail (formerly British Rail). The distinction between tube stock, overground
>> stock and NR stock is a matter of size, but I doubt whether the outcome of
>> being hit by one rather than the other would be much different.
>>
> It’s not just common parlance - it is used by TFL for both deep and sub
> surface lines:
>
> https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/
>

Yes, it's been that way for years. Only pedants still bother to distinguish
between them. Just as with other underground systems (eg, Berlin) with two
sizes of train, passengers don't need to care about them, just as they
don't need to worry about how a train is powered.

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 by: GB - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:59 UTC

On 27/04/2022 18:40, Recliner wrote:
> just as they
> don't need to worry about how a train is powered.
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIRh8OkDDDE

Yes, someone was bound to find a pedal powered railway. Sorry it was me.

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:14 UTC

Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>
> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>
> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>
> The report says he was hospitalised. I hope his injuries aren't too
> bad.
>
>

The report doesn't specify the gender of the track worker concerned.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:14 UTC

GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>
>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>
>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>
>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>
> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>

Because it's a full size train, not a teeny tiny one to fit through a Tube
tunnel.

Though as has already been said, that distinction is lost on the general
media and general public and it's pointless to try to argue against it any
more.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:14 UTC

GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
> On 27/04/2022 18:40, Recliner wrote:
>> just as they
>> don't need to worry about how a train is powered.
>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIRh8OkDDDE
>
> Yes, someone was bound to find a pedal powered railway. Sorry it was me.
>

Velorail is quite common on disused lines in many countries; somewhat
rarer, though not unknown, sharing a working railway with actual powered
passenger trains <https://www.velorailardeche.com/en/>
<https://www.trainardeche.fr/en/journee-vapeur-velorail/>
<https://twitter.com/driverbod125/status/1395505405451816970>

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From: charlese...@btinternet.com (Charles Ellson)
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 by: Charles Ellson - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:52 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:

>On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>
>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>
>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>
>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>
>I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>
Because if you actually manage to get it into a tube tunnel you will
rip the roof off.
<snip>

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 by: Charles Ellson - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:55 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:t4br1s$2ki$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 27/04/2022 16:58, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100
>>>>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>>>>>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>>>>>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>>>>>>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because Met line trains are almost the same size as mainline trains
>>>>> albeit
>>>>> slightly lower but slightly wider, and don't run through single bore tube
>>>>> shaped tunnels.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's quite a fine distinction. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes I think it's a slightly petty distinction. "The Tube" in common parlance
>>> (and the BBC News site is write for lay people, not railway experts) has
>>> long meant "the whole London Underground system" - ie as opposed to National
>>> Rail (formerly British Rail). The distinction between tube stock, overground
>>> stock and NR stock is a matter of size, but I doubt whether the outcome of
>>> being hit by one rather than the other would be much different.
>>>
>> It’s not just common parlance - it is used by TFL for both deep and sub
>> surface lines:
>>
>> https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/
>>
>
>Yes, it's been that way for years. Only pedants still bother to distinguish
>between them.
>
Like the pedants who erect signs at various locations prohibiting them
being passed by other than tube trains?
<snip>

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 by: Graeme Wall - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:45 UTC

On 27/04/2022 19:52, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>>
>>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>>
>>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>>
>>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>>
>> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>>
> Because if you actually manage to get it into a tube tunnel you will
> rip the roof off.

Not just the roof!

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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 by: Arthur Figgis - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:44 UTC

On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>
>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>
>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>
> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.

And by TfL, so it's perhaps not surprising that non-anoraks don't know
the problem.

--
Arthur Figgis

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 by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:59 UTC

On 27/04/2022 18:59, GB wrote:
> On 27/04/2022 18:40, Recliner wrote:
>> just as they
>> don't need to worry about how a train is powered.
>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIRh8OkDDDE
>
> Yes, someone was bound to find a pedal powered railway. Sorry it was me.

There's also one in Ontario, I think near Kingston.

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 by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:01 UTC

On 27/04/2022 19:52, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>>
>>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>>
>>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>>
>>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>>
>> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>>
> Because if you actually manage to get it into a tube tunnel you will
> rip the roof off.
> <snip>

.... as well as damage the tunnel's roof.

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 by: Charles Ellson - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:19 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:01:38 +0100, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk"
<hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 27/04/2022 19:52, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>>>
>>>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>>>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>>>
>>> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>>>
>> Because if you actually manage to get it into a tube tunnel you will
>> rip the roof off.
>> <snip>
>
>... as well as damage the tunnel's roof.
>
Cast Iron v Aluminium/ sheet steel ?
My money is on the tunnel winning fairly easily with negligible
damage.

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 by: Graham Nye - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:33 UTC

On 2022-04-27 19:55:25, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> It’s not just common parlance - it is used by TFL for both deep and sub
>>> surface lines:
>>>
>>> https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/
>>>
>>
>> Yes, it's been that way for years. Only pedants still bother to distinguish
>> between them.
>>
> Like the pedants who erect signs at various locations prohibiting them
> being passed by other than tube trains?

I'm unable to use deep level tube stations because I don't own a dog.

--
Graham Nye
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 by: Charles Ellson - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 01:29 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 23:33:02 +0100, Graham Nye <nospam@thenyes.org.uk>
wrote:

>On 2022-04-27 19:55:25, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> It’s not just common parlance - it is used by TFL for both deep and sub
>>>> surface lines:
>>>>
>>>> https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it's been that way for years. Only pedants still bother to distinguish
>>> between them.
>>>
>> Like the pedants who erect signs at various locations prohibiting them
>> being passed by other than tube trains?
>
>I'm unable to use deep level tube stations because I don't own a dog.
>
You could take a train to them and sneak in at the bottom?

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 by: Graeme Wall - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 06:56 UTC

On 27/04/2022 23:33, Graham Nye wrote:
> On 2022-04-27 19:55:25, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> It’s not just common parlance - it is used by TFL for both deep and sub
>>>> surface lines:
>>>>
>>>> https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it's been that way for years. Only pedants still bother to
>>> distinguish
>>> between them.
>>>
>> Like the pedants who erect signs at various locations prohibiting them
>> being passed by other than tube trains?
>
> I'm unable to use deep level tube stations because I don't own a dog.
>
>

You can always rent one, I seem to remember a number of start-ups
offering such a service.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:44:54 +0100
"NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
>news:t4br1s$2ki$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 27/04/2022 16:58, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:56:49 +0100
>>> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 27/04/2022 15:35, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> On 27/04/2022 14:44, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:33:08 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed
>>>>>> the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London
>>>>>> Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train.
>>>>>
>>>>> Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore
>>>>> all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja.
>>>>
>>>> I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?
>>>
>>> Because Met line trains are almost the same size as mainline trains
>>> albeit
>>> slightly lower but slightly wider, and don't run through single bore tube
>>> shaped tunnels.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's quite a fine distinction. :)
>
>
>Yes I think it's a slightly petty distinction. "The Tube" in common parlance

Obviously everyone just refers to them as tube trains but if you want to be
pedantic then sub surface stock isn't and certainly wasn't in the past when
it was carraiges hauled by steam locomotives!

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From: rol...@perry.co.uk (Roland Perry)
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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:28 UTC

In message <t4but4$5di$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:35:32 on Wed, 27 Apr
2022, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:

>>"The Tube" in common parlance
>> (and the BBC News site is write for lay people, not railway experts) has
>> long meant "the whole London Underground system" - ie as opposed to National
>> Rail (formerly British Rail). The distinction between tube stock, overground
>> stock and NR stock is a matter of size, but I doubt whether the outcome of
>> being hit by one rather than the other would be much different.
>>
>It’s not just common parlance - it is used by TFL for both deep and sub
>surface lines:
>
>https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/

Yes, it's one of those words whose original derivation has been
adopted [colloquially and as official branding] for a wider range
of technologies.

Not that even the original 'Underground' lines were entirely that, much
being on the surface, or even embankments/viaducts.

I get more irritated when I hear radio news/current_affairs presenters
complaining that "the line" between them and an interviewee is breaking
up. It's a CLOUD, ffs!
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