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* GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99"Graham Harrison
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 by: Graham Harrison - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:01 UTC

https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html

a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"

Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!

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From: recliner...@gmail.com (Recliner)
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Subject: Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99"
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 by: Recliner - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 17:10 UTC

Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>
> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>
> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>

I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
number.

So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
overheating, causing track damage?

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From: rai...@greywall.demon.co.uk (Graeme Wall)
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Subject: Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99"
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 by: Graeme Wall - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 17:59 UTC

On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>
>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>
>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>
>
> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
> number.
>
> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
> overheating, causing track damage?
>

Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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From: recliner...@gmail.com (Recliner)
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 by: Recliner - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:26 UTC

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>>
>>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>>
>>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>>
>>
>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>> number.
>>
>> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
>> overheating, causing track damage?
>>
>
> Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!
>

So, fires, maybe? It's going to get pretty hot in there.

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 by: Tweed - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:35 UTC

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>>>
>>>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>>>
>>>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>>> number.
>>>
>>> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
>>> overheating, causing track damage?
>>>
>>
>> Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!
>>
>
> So, fires, maybe? It's going to get pretty hot in there.
>
>

99 - it’s going to be flakey

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From: rai...@greywall.demon.co.uk (Graeme Wall)
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 by: Graeme Wall - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 19:21 UTC

On 29/04/2022 19:35, Tweed wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>>>>
>>>>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>>>> number.
>>>>
>>>> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
>>>> overheating, causing track damage?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!
>>>
>>
>> So, fires, maybe? It's going to get pretty hot in there.
>>
>>
>
> 99 - it’s going to be flakey
>

I scream!

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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 by: Recliner - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 20:02 UTC

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>>>>
>>>>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>>>> number.
>>>>
>>>> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
>>>> overheating, causing track damage?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!
>>>
>>
>> So, fires, maybe? It's going to get pretty hot in there.
>>
>>
>
> 99 - it’s going to be flakey
>
>

👏👍

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 by: Christopher A. Lee - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 21:12 UTC

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 20:02:27 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>>>>> number.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
>>>>> overheating, causing track damage?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, fires, maybe? It's going to get pretty hot in there.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 99 - it’s going to be flakey
>>
>>
>
>??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Flake

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:15 UTC

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>
>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>
>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>
>
> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
> number.
>
>

Perhaps the 94xxx number range is occupied with DMU/EMU vehicles, or
wagons.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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Subject: Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99"
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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 23:15 UTC

Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 20:02:27 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
>>>>>> overheating, causing track damage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, fires, maybe? It's going to get pretty hot in there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 99 - it’s going to be flakey
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ??
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Flake
>

The two question marks in the quote above, arrived with me as hand clap and
thumbs up emojis; perhaps your client can't cope with those.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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From: ukr...@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk (Sam Wilson)
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 by: Sam Wilson - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:37 UTC

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>>
>>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>>
>>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>>
>>
>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>> number.
>>
>> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
>> overheating, causing track damage?
>>
>
> Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!

We don’t have many details yet except that it’s a Co-Co and will have a top
speed of 75 mph. That makes it pretty much like the (majority of the) class
66 and the class 92; the class 60 is heavier but slower, the class 67 has
an even higher axle weight but is a lot faster, presumably because it’s a
Bo-Bo. Unless the builders get things very wrong with the bogie design the
track ought to be ok.

Sam

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 by: Theo - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42 UTC

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
> >>
> >> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
> >>
> >> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
> >>
> >
> > I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
> > number.
> >
> >
>
> Perhaps the 94xxx number range is occupied with DMU/EMU vehicles, or
> wagons.

Possibly, although it seems like class numbering is being driven by
marketing departments these days - 'nicer' to have 0s, 5s and repeating
digits (eg 700, 707, 717, 720, 745, 777) rather than 'ugly' numbers (331,
379). Wouldn't be surprised if 99 is seen as 'nicer' than 94.

Theo

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 by: Recliner - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:59 UTC

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>>>
>>>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>>>
>>>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>>> number.
>>>
>>> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
>>> overheating, causing track damage?
>>>
>>
>> Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!
>
> We don’t have many details yet except that it’s a Co-Co and will have a top
> speed of 75 mph. That makes it pretty much like the (majority of the) class
> 66 and the class 92; the class 60 is heavier but slower, the class 67 has
> an even higher axle weight but is a lot faster, presumably because it’s a
> Bo-Bo. Unless the builders get things very wrong with the bogie design the
> track ought to be ok.
>

The class 67 was geared to run at 125mph, but hasn't and will never run at
that speed. It would have ben much better if it had been geared for 110mph.

These new 99s may be rather heavy.

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From: ema...@domain.com (Bob)
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 by: Bob - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:31 UTC

On 2022-04-30 12:59:57 +0000, Recliner said:

> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2022 18:10, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> a form of the Stadler "Eurodual"
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>>>> number.
>>>>
>>>> So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy,
>>>> overheating, causing track damage?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!
>>
>> We don’t have many details yet except that it’s a Co-Co and will have a top
>> speed of 75 mph. That makes it pretty much like the (majority of the) class
>> 66 and the class 92; the class 60 is heavier but slower, the class 67 has
>> an even higher axle weight but is a lot faster, presumably because it’s a
>> Bo-Bo. Unless the builders get things very wrong with the bogie design the
>> track ought to be ok.
>>
>
> The class 67 was geared to run at 125mph, but hasn't and will never run at
> that speed. It would have ben much better if it had been geared for 110mph.
>
> These new 99s may be rather heavy.

Wikipedia suggests the Euro Dual family are in the range 114 to 126
tonnes, depending on variant, which is a little less than a 66, but
within the normal range for 6 axle locomotives.

Robin

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 by: Robert - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 20:17 UTC

On 30/04/2022 00:15, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:

>> I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class
>> number.
>>
> Perhaps the 94xxx number range is occupied with DMU/EMU vehicles, or
> wagons.

94xxx series is still occupied by (generally) long-withdrawn NPCCS vehicles.

95/96xxx are similar, 97xxx is for service (and battery) locos, 98xxx
steam locos.

99xxx still has some historic coaches occupying its ranks but nothing in
the lower 99000 series.

Cheers,
--
Rob
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in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
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