I gave up on Bluetooth and other wireless mouses because no matter the
settings they all seem to fall asleep after a while.

I bought a couple of Logitech B100 and the scroll wheel only works on one
of them, this morning the pointer started jumping all over the screen but
it has settled down now.

I would like a wired mouse where the cable come out of it tail not its
head but Google is not being my friend. Has anybody cone across such a
beast or a mouse that could be modified please?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
George Washington was a British subject until well after his 40th birthday.
(Margaret Thatcher, speech at the White House 17 December 1979)

On 23/12/2022 14:20, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> I gave up on Bluetooth and other wireless mouses because no matter the
> settings they all seem to fall asleep after a while.
>
> I bought a couple of Logitech B100 and the scroll wheel only works on
> one of them, this morning the pointer started jumping all over the
> screen but it has settled down now.
>
> I would like a wired mouse where the cable come out of it tail not its
> head but Google is not being my friend. Has anybody cone across such a
> beast or a mouse that could be modified please?
>

http://www.ergoguys.com/zlvegamorgbe.html

this has a joystick so you don't actually need to move the mouse per se.

I have some difficulty imagining how one would use an optical mouse on a
table with the cable coming out from under your palm to your wrist....

The other option is a wacom graphics tablet as my Wacom pad has the USB
connector coming out on the left hand edge. you could use insulation
tape to bring the cable down the left and then halfway along the bottom
Blue peter fashion style.

It does require you to use a "pen" but that probably feels more natural
to some people or those who like to draw or use MS whiteboard.

https://www.wacom.com/en-gb/products/pen-tablets/one-by-wacom

On 23/12/2022 in message <to4t99$mi6$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:

>I have some difficulty imagining how one would use an optical mouse on a
>table with the cable coming out from under your palm to your wrist....

Many thank, SH, hadn't really though that one through - I'm more concerned
about knocking my cup of tea off the coffee table with the mouse cable :-)

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If you ever find something you like buy a lifetime supply because they
will stop making it

On 24/12/2022 15:37, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 23/12/2022 in message <to4t99$mi6$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
>
>> I have some difficulty imagining how one would use an optical mouse on
>> a table with the cable coming out from under your palm to your wrist....
>
> Many thank, SH, hadn't really though that one through - I'm more
> concerned about knocking my cup of tea off the coffee table with the
> mouse cable :-)
>

Some USB keyboards have an onboard USB hub so a mouse could be plugged
into that with a cable tie to shorten the cable?

As it happens my monitor also has an onboard USB hub, so I have the KB,
Mouse,Webcam and Wacom tablet plugged into the monitor so its less
cables back to the PC case.

Jeff Gaines presented the following explanation :
> On 23/12/2022 in message
> <to4t99$mi6$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
>
>>I have some difficulty imagining how one would
>> use an optical mouse on a table with the
>> cable coming out from under your palm to your
>> wrist....
>
> Many thank, SH, hadn't really though that one
> through - I'm more concerned about knocking my
> cup of tea off the coffee table with the mouse
> cable :-)

Hasn't you PC got one of those press button,
slide out cup holders?

On 24/12/2022 16:15, Steve Hough wrote:
> Jeff Gaines presented the following explanation :
>> On 23/12/2022 in message <to4t99$mi6$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
>>
>>> I have some difficulty imagining how one would use an optical mouse
>>> on a table with the cable coming out from under your palm to your
>>> wrist....
>>
>> Many thank, SH, hadn't really though that one through - I'm more
>> concerned about knocking my cup of tea off the coffee table with the
>> mouse cable :-)
>
> Hasn't you PC got one of those press button, slide out cup holders?

I remember someone working in PC tech support writing about having
recieved a call from a PC owner where they complained their coffee mug
holder had broken off on the front of their PC..... and they wanted a
replacement....

On 24/12/2022 in message <to78jl$2akdf$1@dont-email.me> Steve Hough wrote:

>Jeff Gaines presented the following explanation :
>>On 23/12/2022 in message <to4t99$mi6$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
>>
>>>I have some difficulty imagining how one would use an optical mouse on a
>>>table with the cable coming out from under your palm to your wrist....
>>
>>Many thank, SH, hadn't really though that one through - I'm more
>>concerned about knocking my cup of tea off the coffee table with the
>>mouse cable :-)
>
>Hasn't you PC got one of those press button, slide out cup holders?

It has but the hole is much bigger than any of my cups :-)

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Here we go it's getting close, now it's just who wants it most.

On 2022-12-24, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 23/12/2022 in message <to4t99$mi6$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
>
>>I have some difficulty imagining how one would use an optical mouse on a
>>table with the cable coming out from under your palm to your wrist....
>
> Many thank, SH, hadn't really though that one through - I'm more concerned
> about knocking my cup of tea off the coffee table with the mouse cable :-)
>
Then drink your cup of coffee with the other hand.

On 25/12/2022 in message <k0pvqvF834jU1@mid.individual.net> Gordon wrote:

>On 2022-12-24, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
>>On 23/12/2022 in message <to4t99$mi6$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
>>
>>>I have some difficulty imagining how one would use an optical mouse on a
>>>table with the cable coming out from under your palm to your wrist....
>>
>>Many thank, SH, hadn't really though that one through - I'm more concerned
>>about knocking my cup of tea off the coffee table with the mouse cable :-)
>>
>Then drink your cup of coffee with the other hand.

The coffee table i on my left though...

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
How does a gender neutral bog differ from a unisex bog ?
It has a non-binary number on the door.

On 23 Dec 2022 at 14:20:29 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

> I gave up on Bluetooth and other wireless mouses because no matter the
> settings they all seem to fall asleep after a while.

This never happens to me, with bt or rf mice. Or rather, they wake up in
an imperceptible amount of time when I move them. Are you using £5 mice?
Go for a nice one, your desk and arm will appreciate it.

(Various Logitech MX and G-series in use here, plus the Apple ones, no
issues)

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Tetris has taught me that accomplishments disappear and mistakes pile up.

On 25/12/2022 in message <k0qp20FbpfoU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
Vandenbergh wrote:

>On 23 Dec 2022 at 14:20:29 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I gave up on Bluetooth and other wireless mouses because no matter the
>>settings they all seem to fall asleep after a while.
>
>This never happens to me, with bt or rf mice. Or rather, they wake up in
>an imperceptible amount of time when I move them. Are you using £5 mice?
>Go for a nice one, your desk and arm will appreciate it.
>
>(Various Logitech MX and G-series in use here, plus the Apple ones, no
>issues)
>
> Cheers - Jaimie

I usually go for Microsoft KTF-00002 Modern Bluetooth Mouse which is about
£22. Left mouse button usually dies a few days after the guarantee!

Is that cheap? I may be well out of date on prices.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Though no-one can go back and make a new start, everyone can start from
now and make a new ending.

On 25 Dec 2022 at 11:23:07 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

> On 25/12/2022 in message <k0qp20FbpfoU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
> Vandenbergh wrote:
>
>> On 23 Dec 2022 at 14:20:29 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I gave up on Bluetooth and other wireless mouses because no matter the
>>> settings they all seem to fall asleep after a while.
>>
>> This never happens to me, with bt or rf mice. Or rather, they wake up in
>> an imperceptible amount of time when I move them. Are you using £5 mice?
>> Go for a nice one, your desk and arm will appreciate it.
>>
>> (Various Logitech MX and G-series in use here, plus the Apple ones, no
>> issues)
>>
>> Cheers - Jaimie
>
> I usually go for Microsoft KTF-00002 Modern Bluetooth Mouse which is about
> £22. Left mouse button usually dies a few days after the guarantee!
>
> Is that cheap? I may be well out of date on prices.

Mine tend to start at around £60 but last for many many years. I still
have my MX700 from about 2005; I got a spare one in about 2012 as they
went out of production. In about 2018 I gave the spare one to my dad.
Original still works great, although some of the silver paint has rubbed
off showing the underlying black plastic.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Who died and made _you_ Zod?"
-- Sea Wasp, rasfw

On 25 Dec 2022 at 11:23:07 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:

> On 25/12/2022 in message <k0qp20FbpfoU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
> Vandenbergh wrote:
>
>> On 23 Dec 2022 at 14:20:29 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I gave up on Bluetooth and other wireless mouses because no matter the
>>> settings they all seem to fall asleep after a while.
>>
>> This never happens to me, with bt or rf mice. Or rather, they wake up in
>> an imperceptible amount of time when I move them. Are you using £5 mice?
>> Go for a nice one, your desk and arm will appreciate it.
>>
>> (Various Logitech MX and G-series in use here, plus the Apple ones, no
>> issues)
>>
>> Cheers - Jaimie
>
> I usually go for Microsoft KTF-00002 Modern Bluetooth Mouse which is about
> £22. Left mouse button usually dies a few days after the guarantee!
>
> Is that cheap? I may be well out of date on prices.

Logitech M185, about £10. So good (for me, mouse-ambidextrous) I bought a
spare about 10 years ago. Never needed it.

And Magic Trackpad for the Mac; good but pricey.
--
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

On 25/12/2022 08:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 25/12/2022 in message <k0pvqvF834jU1@mid.individual.net> Gordon wrote:
>
>> On 2022-12-24, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
>>> On 23/12/2022 in message <to4t99$mi6$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have some difficulty imagining how one would use an optical mouse
>>>> on a
>>>> table with the cable coming out from under your palm to your wrist....
>>>
>>> Many thank, SH, hadn't really though that one through - I'm more
>>> concerned
>>> about knocking my cup of tea off the coffee table with the mouse
>>> cable :-)
>>>
>> Then drink your cup of coffee with the other hand.
>
> The coffee table i on my left though...
>

learn like I did to be ambidextrous....

at work, I have two computers side by side with 2 sets of dual monitors,
2 keyboards and 2 mice.

Work forbids the use of KVM switches so I quickly learned to be
ambidextrous with the mice and swapped the buttons around on the left mouse

They are arranged on the desk as:

Left handed mouse for PC A - KB for PC A - KB for PC B - Right handed
mouse for PC B.

One happy side effect is that I can now do basic handwriting with my
left hand!

On 25/12/2022 in message <toa6rl$2s0cf$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:

>On 25 Dec 2022 at 11:23:07 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
>
>>On 25/12/2022 in message <k0qp20FbpfoU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
>>Vandenbergh wrote:
>>
>>>On 23 Dec 2022 at 14:20:29 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>I gave up on Bluetooth and other wireless mouses because no matter the
>>>>settings they all seem to fall asleep after a while.
>>>
>>>This never happens to me, with bt or rf mice. Or rather, they wake up in
>>>an imperceptible amount of time when I move them. Are you using £5 mice?
>>>Go for a nice one, your desk and arm will appreciate it.
>>>
>>>(Various Logitech MX and G-series in use here, plus the Apple ones, no
>>>issues)
>>>
>>> Cheers - Jaimie
>>
>>I usually go for Microsoft KTF-00002 Modern Bluetooth Mouse which is about
>>£22. Left mouse button usually dies a few days after the guarantee!
>>
>>Is that cheap? I may be well out of date on prices.
>
>Logitech M185, about £10. So good (for me, mouse-ambidextrous) I bought a
>spare about 10 years ago. Never needed it.
>
>And Magic Trackpad for the Mac; good but pricey.

Many thanks Rob, I must say that's more my price :-)

I am left handed with size 11.5 feet and hands to match, I wonder if the
bigger M190 is as robust?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
640k ought to be enough for anyone.
(Bill Gates, 1981)