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England picked 3 SPINNERS for First Test Match in Hyderabad with the
LONE fast bowler being Mark Wood.

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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/tom-hartley-to-debut-as-england-name-three-spinners-one-quick-bowler-in-wood-1417888

The conditions could even see Stokes flex his reputation for funky
captaincy and toss Root the new ball.

"Again, as I said about the pitches, it would be a complete and utter
gut thing, as most of my decisions like that are. You might even see
Rooty taking the new ball depending on what I feel. If [Yashasvi]
Jaiswal opens the batting you might see Rooty opening the bowling with
that new ball because it's spinning away from the bat."

England XI 1 Zak Crawley, 2 Ben Duckett, 3 Ollie Pope, 4 Joe Root, 5
Jonny Bairstow, 6 Ben Stokes, 7 Ben Foakes (wk), 8 Rehan Ahmed, 9 Mark
Wood, 10 Tom Hartley, 11 Jack Leach

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In message <uoqi75$1o0b5$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
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>England picked 3 SPINNERS for First Test Match in Hyderabad with the
>LONE fast bowler being Mark Wood.
<snip>

I'm surprised, given Wood's dodgy fitness record. Without Brook, other
than Root's off-spin there's no one who can fill in for a few overs. Ay
least for once England might manage to bowl their 90 overs on time!
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On 1/24/2024 2:21 AM, John Hall wrote:
> In message <uoqi75$1o0b5$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes
>>
>>
>> England picked 3 SPINNERS for First Test Match in Hyderabad with the
>> LONE fast bowler being Mark Wood.
> <snip>
>
> I'm surprised, given Wood's dodgy fitness record. Without Brook, other
> than Root's off-spin there's no one who can fill in for a few overs. Ay
> least for once England might manage to bowl their 90 overs on time!

England thinks that it would be spin pitch and hence it's better to go
with FAST BOWLER Mark Wood rather than old swing bowler James Anderson.

Wood had rest for a couple of months, so he should be fine.

4.5 bowlers should be fine.

You can consider Root a full time bowler on Indian spin pitches, so
England actually has 5 bowlers.

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 by: miked - Wed, 24 Jan 2024 15:42 UTC

John Hall wrote:

> In message <uoqi75$1o0b5$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes
>>
>>
>>England picked 3 SPINNERS for First Test Match in Hyderabad with the
>>LONE fast bowler being Mark Wood.
> <snip>

> I'm surprised, given Wood's dodgy fitness record. Without Brook, other
> than Root's off-spin there's no one who can fill in for a few overs. Ay
> least for once England might manage to bowl their 90 overs on time!

Yes seems incredibly risky, they must think the pitches are the same
as last time, but if they have to bowl first and find that it behaves
like a normal wkt for the first 4 sessions day1-2, they will be truly
screwed. I think i would have played it safe and had a 2nd quick and
not hartley. then you still have 2 spinners and root.

Patidar the chap who made 140 vs Lions will take Kohlis place. Wow
what a week hes had!

mike

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 by: John Hall - Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:58 UTC

In message <be15a4575b3028658637c0221d2f5567@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>John Hall wrote:
>
>> In message <uoqi75$1o0b5$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>><FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes
>>>
>>>
>>>England picked 3 SPINNERS for First Test Match in Hyderabad with the
>>>LONE fast bowler being Mark Wood.
>> <snip>
>
>> I'm surprised, given Wood's dodgy fitness record. Without Brook,
>>other than Root's off-spin there's no one who can fill in for a few
>>overs. Ay least for once England might manage to bowl their 90 overs
>>on time!
>
>Yes seems incredibly risky, they must think the pitches are the same
>as last time, but if they have to bowl first and find that it behaves
>like a normal wkt for the first 4 sessions day1-2, they will be truly
>screwed.

The pitch seems sure to spin, and I imagine that it is likely to spin
more as it wears, so England probably have to win the toss and bat first
to have any chance at all.

> I think i would have played it safe and had a 2nd quick and
>not hartley. then you still have 2 spinners and root.

Apparently England like Hartley because of his height (6' 4"), which
means he may get bounce, and because he bowls quite quickly for a
spinner.

Another worrying thing is that ISTR that Wood hasn't often opened the
bowling for England, and when he has bowled with a new or nearly new
ball ISTR that he's sometimes found controlling it a problem. He might
come into the game more later in the innings, as he can get reverse
swing. (But then so can Anderson, albeit at a slower pace.)

>Patidar the chap who made 140 vs Lions will take Kohlis place. Wow
>what a week hes had!

:)
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

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 by: miked - Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:51 UTC

John Hall wrote:

> In message <be15a4575b3028658637c0221d2f5567@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>John Hall wrote:
>>
>>> In message <uoqi75$1o0b5$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>>><FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>England picked 3 SPINNERS for First Test Match in Hyderabad with the
>>>>LONE fast bowler being Mark Wood.
>>> <snip>
>>
>>> I'm surprised, given Wood's dodgy fitness record. Without Brook,
>>>other than Root's off-spin there's no one who can fill in for a few
>>>overs. Ay least for once England might manage to bowl their 90 overs
>>>on time!
>>
>>Yes seems incredibly risky, they must think the pitches are the same
>>as last time, but if they have to bowl first and find that it behaves
>>like a normal wkt for the first 4 sessions day1-2, they will be truly
>>screwed.

> The pitch seems sure to spin, and I imagine that it is likely to spin
> more as it wears, so England probably have to win the toss and bat first
> to have any chance at all.

its not good when your hope depends on the toss. we're taking on india
in india with dodgy wood, leach, a teeny leggy whos played 1 test and
a debutant 20 yrold. this must be our weakest attack for yonks.

>> I think i would have played it safe and had a 2nd quick and
>>not hartley. then you still have 2 spinners and root.

> Apparently England like Hartley because of his height (6' 4"), which
> means he may get bounce, and because he bowls quite quickly for a
> spinner.

yes but he dont spin it that much as a result or so it seems the
few times i've seen him.

> Another worrying thing is that ISTR that Wood hasn't often opened the
> bowling for England, and when he has bowled with a new or nearly new
> ball ISTR that he's sometimes found controlling it a problem. He might
> come into the game more later in the innings, as he can get reverse
> swing. (But then so can Anderson, albeit at a slower pace.)

yes if your gonna just play 1 quick, make it 1 who can bowl 20 overs
a day and is ultra reliable. but this gamble has happened becos stokes
cant bowl.

mike

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In message <5cc41851ebefaf19e21934fc779d08fc@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>John Hall wrote:
>
>> Apparently England like Hartley because of his height (6' 4"), which
>>means he may get bounce, and because he bowls quite quickly for a
>>spinner.
>
>yes but he dont spin it that much as a result or so it seems the
>few times i've seen him.

On this pitch, he won't need too.

I liked the look of him with the bat. He seemed to really be enjoying
himself, with no sign of first Test nerves.

The interval between innings is almost over, so I must go. :)
--
John Hall
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from coughing."
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On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 8:38:47 PM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:
> In message <5cc41851ebefaf19...@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >John Hall wrote:
> >
> >> Apparently England like Hartley because of his height (6' 4"), which
> >>means he may get bounce, and because he bowls quite quickly for a
> >>spinner.
> >
> >yes but he dont spin it that much as a result or so it seems the
> >few times i've seen him.
> On this pitch, he won't need too.

The ball does seem to be changing direction quite rapidly when he's bowling, the question is whether it's too or over the rope

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 by: John Hall - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:25 UTC

In message <XZO$WZABvislFwN9@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes
>In message <5cc41851ebefaf19e21934fc779d08fc@www.novabbs.com>, miked
><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>John Hall wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently England like Hartley because of his height (6' 4"), which
>>>means he may get bounce, and because he bowls quite quickly for a
>>>spinner.
>>
>>yes but he dont spin it that much as a result or so it seems the
>>few times i've seen him.
>
>On this pitch, he won't need too.
>
>I liked the look of him with the bat. He seemed to really be enjoying
>himself, with no sign of first Test nerves.

Me and my big mouth! He showed plenty of nerves when he bowled. It was
sadly reminiscent of another left-arm spinner from Lancashire, Simon
Kerrigan, who made his Test debut in 2013, was hit all round the park by
Australia and never seen in England colours again. This England
management don't cast players into outer darkness for one bad
performance, though. Hartley was unfortunate to run into Jaiswal, who
showed that he could out-bazball England.

>
>The interval between innings is almost over, so I must go. :)

I might have been happier if I hadn't watched that last session! Still,
at least FBI-etc should have had an enjoyable day.
--
John Hall
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from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

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 by: miked - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 12:14 UTC

John Hall wrote:

> In message <XZO$WZABvislFwN9@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
> <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>In message <5cc41851ebefaf19e21934fc779d08fc@www.novabbs.com>, miked
>><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>John Hall wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently England like Hartley because of his height (6' 4"), which
>>>>means he may get bounce, and because he bowls quite quickly for a
>>>>spinner.
>>>
>>>yes but he dont spin it that much as a result or so it seems the
>>>few times i've seen him.
>>
>>On this pitch, he won't need too.
>>
>>I liked the look of him with the bat. He seemed to really be enjoying
>>himself, with no sign of first Test nerves.

> Me and my big mouth! He showed plenty of nerves when he bowled. It was
> sadly reminiscent of another left-arm spinner from Lancashire, Simon
> Kerrigan, who made his Test debut in 2013, was hit all round the park by
> Australia and never seen in England colours again. This England
> management don't cast players into outer darkness for one bad
> performance, though. Hartley was unfortunate to run into Jaiswal, who
> showed that he could out-bazball England.

so far we have 1 bowler Leach. Its gonna be a long hard day tomorrow.
Innings defeat beckons i reckon. The lions are getting thrashed too.

using up all the reviews in that session seems reckless, i think
root persuaded stokes but it was capt decision so quite poor.
they will regret that tomorrow. hartley bowling 9 overs straight
was pretty foolish, but when rehan came on it got worse. really
playing 2 rookies was extremly risky as i said b4 the match.
plus wood got called for 2 wides in bouncers; are the rules in
tests the same as T20 now?

mike

mike

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 by: John Hall - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 16:25 UTC

In message <794983d0a0f6125c8644bb55a63a6297@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>so far we have 1 bowler Leach. Its gonna be a long hard day tomorrow.
>Innings defeat beckons i reckon. The lions are getting thrashed too.

If we can keep India to below 300 we still have a chance. We clearly
need to get Jaiswal out quickly tomorrow. On their averages, he and
Rohit Sharma are by far the two best batsmen in the side.
>
>using up all the reviews in that session seems reckless, i think
>root persuaded stokes but it was capt decision so quite poor.
>they will regret that tomorrow. hartley bowling 9 overs straight
>was pretty foolish, but when rehan came on it got worse. really
>playing 2 rookies was extremly risky as i said b4 the match.
>plus wood got called for 2 wides in bouncers; are the rules in
>tests the same as T20 now?

Bouncers over head high when the batsman is standing erect have always
been wides, I think.
--
John Hall
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from coughing."
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 by: miked - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 17:51 UTC

John Hall wrote:

> In message <794983d0a0f6125c8644bb55a63a6297@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>so far we have 1 bowler Leach. Its gonna be a long hard day tomorrow.
>>Innings defeat beckons i reckon. The lions are getting thrashed too.

> If we can keep India to below 300 we still have a chance. We clearly
> need to get Jaiswal out quickly tomorrow. On their averages, he and
> Rohit Sharma are by far the two best batsmen in the side.
>>

its rather odd that when jaiswal was tonking hartley, stokes didnt
replace him with root for a different spin on the ball. bazball
seems to equal obstinacy sometimes. i think it will need a miracle
to bowl india out with the bowlers they selected. were goin to
have to wait til india declare on saturday probably.

as for the batting it was the usual hit or miss stuff, get in then
lose patience, a few soft dismissals. was snicko working, cos
roots decision took a long time, and pope looked terrible for his
brief innings. clearly hes had no cricket at all since he was
injured, so a big ask to suddenly come into a test, as big an
ask for hartley to open the bowling. Cant believe any other
test team would have chosen such an inexperienced attack.
Must be unusual to have 4 keepers in a team too.

mike

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Mason Cranes record is under threat if stokes keeps bowling hartley.
bizarre he prefers him to leach or even root. bet he wishes he
had anderson or yobbo or anyone who could keep control.

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On Friday 26 January 2024 at 07:10:19 UTC, miked wrote:
> Mason Cranes record is under threat if stokes keeps bowling hartley.
> bizarre he prefers him to leach or even root. bet he wishes he
> had anderson or yobbo or anyone who could keep control.
>
> mike

The absolute chasm in class of spinners could easily render this 5-0 to the home side.

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On 1/26/2024 12:55 AM, Richard Dixon wrote:
> On Friday 26 January 2024 at 07:10:19 UTC, miked wrote:
>> Mason Cranes record is under threat if stokes keeps bowling hartley.
>> bizarre he prefers him to leach or even root. bet he wishes he
>> had anderson or yobbo or anyone who could keep control.
>>
>> mike
>
> The absolute chasm in class of spinners could easily render this 5-0 to the home side.

Too early to write off England.

This is just the first test.

2nd test is in Vizag. The Pitch doesn't spin that much unless the
curator deliberately makes it very spin friendly.

So England can come back and square the series in Vizag IF it offers
just moderate spin.

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 by: miked - Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:18 UTC

Richard Dixon wrote:

> On Friday 26 January 2024 at 07:10:19 UTC, miked wrote:
>> Mason Cranes record is under threat if stokes keeps bowling hartley.
>> bizarre he prefers him to leach or even root. bet he wishes he
>> had anderson or yobbo or anyone who could keep control.
>>
>> mike

> The absolute chasm in class of spinners could easily render this 5-0 to the home side.

i bet all those who wernt picked for this tour are now very pleased
they wernt, and are instead earning moolah having a t20 thrash on
a beach somewhere. England made it worse for themselves by their
crazy selection of spinners both for the tour and the test.

plus the lions were close to an innings defeat, b4 a brave innings
by the other Olly R revived them somewhat, and the U19s are facing
defeat by windies in RSA. So not a good day anywhere for england.

to be fair, stokes attacking fields gave the spinners very little
protection, and then they found that Leachs knee or was it his back
was a problem so he couldnt bowl more than a few overs, and our best
bowler was root. its gonna be a long old tour from here; wouldnt be
surprised if several more follow Brook back home.

mike

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 by: FBInCIAnNSATerrorist - Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:55 UTC

On 1/25/2024 3:25 AM, John Hall wrote:
> In message <XZO$WZABvislFwN9@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
> <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes
>> In message <5cc41851ebefaf19e21934fc779d08fc@www.novabbs.com>, miked
>> <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> John Hall wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently England like Hartley because of his height (6' 4"), which
>>>> means he may get bounce, and because he bowls quite quickly for a
>>>> spinner.
>>>
>>> yes but he dont spin it that much as a result or so it seems the
>>> few times i've seen him.
>>
>> On this pitch, he won't need too.
>>
>> I liked the look of him with the bat. He seemed to really be enjoying
>> himself, with no sign of first Test nerves.
>
> Me and my big mouth! He showed plenty of nerves when he bowled. It was
> sadly reminiscent of another left-arm spinner from Lancashire, Simon
> Kerrigan, who made his Test debut in 2013, was hit all round the park by
> Australia and never seen in England colours again. This England
> management don't cast players into outer darkness for one bad
> performance, though. Hartley was unfortunate to run into Jaiswal, who
> showed that he could out-bazball England.
>
>>
>> The interval between innings is almost over, so I must go. :)
>
> I might have been happier if I hadn't watched that last session! Still,
> at least FBI-etc should have had an enjoyable day.

Yeah it was a great experience watching test cricket live after a very
long time in India because I have been living in USA for quite a while.

The two old british guys to my right in the picture were from Essex and
North London respectively.
https://imgbox.com/JScoVzE0

Another british family enjoying their holiday two rows down to the left
https://imgbox.com/V9DuEW8k

In the afternoon session, I moved close to the sight screen and another
young lad from Oxford but currently living in Berlin Germany, sat next
to me.

Mark Wood about to start at his run up and bowl to Axar Patel in late
post tea session.
https://imgbox.com/sKqRkyRA

There were quite a few barmy army britsh fans in the crowd in different
sections of the ground.

All in all, it was quite enjoyable especially India doing quite well
after losing Yashasvi in the first over of the day.

I was surprised Stokes didn't bowl Root for a couple of overs in late
Day one.

Stokes was also over enthusiastic in asking for DRS reviews on Day one
during Indian innings.

I noticed Stokes employed a 6-3 offside and onside field OR vice versa
for Jadeja, Axar, Bharat, Rahul for Spinners.

It would be "very difficult" for England to get back into the match
after conceding 175 run lead to India with 3 wickets still in hand.

I think England will go back to two pace bowlers in Vizag, most likely
James Anderson.

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 by: John Hall - Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:57 UTC

In message <07b6bcbc23eeeb505538f2da55401311@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Mason Cranes record is under threat if stokes keeps bowling hartley.
>bizarre he prefers him to leach or even root. bet he wishes he
>had anderson or yobbo or anyone who could keep control.
>
>mike

It seems that Leach has a fitness problem that has restricted the number
of overs he could bowl, which is about the worst possible news for
England. I suppose Hartley has done pretty well to get his rpo down from
7 overnight to 5 by the end of the day. Still it can't be good that Root
has looked our most threatening spinner. With Jaiswal being a
left-hander, it's odd that Stokes didn't give him any overs on day 1.
The chances of Shoaib Bashir getting a game, possibly as soon as Test 2,
must have greatly increased.
--
John Hall
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from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

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 by: John Hall - Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:06 UTC

In message <0b910509-49ff-4ffc-b5b2-c6ee4ddc8168@america.com>,
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com>
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>Yeah it was a great experience watching test cricket live after a very
>long time in India because I have been living in USA for quite a while.
>
>
>The two old british guys to my right in the picture were from Essex and
>North London respectively.
>https://imgbox.com/JScoVzE0

Is that you wearing the shirt with "SURYA" on the back?

>
>
>Another british family enjoying their holiday two rows down to the left
>https://imgbox.com/V9DuEW8k
>
>
>In the afternoon session, I moved close to the sight screen and another
>young lad from Oxford but currently living in Berlin Germany, sat next
>to me.

It's been good to see crowds of 20,000+ on both the first two days.

>
>
>Mark Wood about to start at his run up and bowl to Axar Patel in late
>post tea session.
>https://imgbox.com/sKqRkyRA
>
>
>There were quite a few barmy army britsh fans in the crowd in different
>sections of the ground.
>
>
>All in all, it was quite enjoyable especially India doing quite well
>after losing Yashasvi in the first over of the day.
>
>I was surprised Stokes didn't bowl Root for a couple of overs in late
>Day one.

Me too.

>
>Stokes was also over enthusiastic in asking for DRS reviews on Day one
>during Indian innings.
>
>I noticed Stokes employed a 6-3 offside and onside field OR vice versa
>for Jadeja, Axar, Bharat, Rahul for Spinners.
>
>It would be "very difficult" for England to get back into the match
>after conceding 175 run lead to India with 3 wickets still in hand.

If they could do that, it would probably be the most remarkable
turn-around in a Test in India since India won against Australia after
following on.

>
>
>I think England will go back to two pace bowlers in Vizag, most likely
>James Anderson.

I think Anderson will have to play, whether with or without Wood.
England really needed a bowler who could bowl a longish spell and keep
it tight.

Thanks for the photos.
--
John Hall
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from coughing."
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 by: miked - Fri, 26 Jan 2024 21:20 UTC

John Hall wrote:

> In message <07b6bcbc23eeeb505538f2da55401311@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>Mason Cranes record is under threat if stokes keeps bowling hartley.
>>bizarre he prefers him to leach or even root. bet he wishes he
>>had anderson or yobbo or anyone who could keep control.
>>
>>mike

> It seems that Leach has a fitness problem that has restricted the number
> of overs he could bowl, which is about the worst possible news for
> England.

yeah hes got a knee problem too, lucky we chose a 3rd spinner heh? ;)

I suppose Hartley has done pretty well to get his rpo down from
> 7 overnight to 5 by the end of the day.

on the last tour bess was dropped cos he got hit about in the 2nd
innings of the 1st test which we won. hartley has been dropping short
every over or full as has ahmed. they wouldnt get 20+ overs in the
CC bowling like that. bowling on a spin friendly wkt like that is a crime.

Still it can't be good that Root
> has looked our most threatening spinner. With Jaiswal being a
> left-hander, it's odd that Stokes didn't give him any overs on day 1.

neither in selection or captaincy has england shown any nous.

> The chances of Shoaib Bashir getting a game, possibly as soon as Test 2,
> must have greatly increased.

yes hes our secret weapon, no wonder india delayed his visa, theyr running
scared of out mystery spinner, its a mystery why he was picked.

mike

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On 26/01/2024 17:06, John Hall wrote:
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> FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes

>> It would be "very difficult" for England to get back into the match
>> after conceding 175 run lead to India with 3 wickets still in hand.
>
> If they could do that, it would probably be the most remarkable
> turn-around in a Test in India since India won against Australia after
> following on.

Apart from that match, no team has ever won a Test in India after
conceding a first-innings lead of 100+. The next highest was also an
India win over Australia, at Mumbai in 2004/05 after trailing by 99.

The highest first-innings deficit by a touring side that went on to win
in India was 65 by Australia at Madras in 1964/65. England have never
won in India after being behind on first innings.

--
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 by: jack fredricks - Sat, 27 Jan 2024 00:18 UTC

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 12:56:04 AM UTC+10, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> Another british family enjoying their holiday two rows down to the left
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Hmmm.. that looks like a standard issue MI6 Casio watch to me.

Re: England picked 3 SPINNERS for First Test Match vs India in Hyderabad

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 by: miked - Sat, 27 Jan 2024 12:49 UTC

David North wrote:

> On 26/01/2024 17:06, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <0b910509-49ff-4ffc-b5b2-c6ee4ddc8168@america.com>,
>> FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes

>>> It would be "very difficult" for England to get back into the match
>>> after conceding 175 run lead to India with 3 wickets still in hand.
>>
>> If they could do that, it would probably be the most remarkable
>> turn-around in a Test in India since India won against Australia after
>> following on.

> Apart from that match, no team has ever won a Test in India after
> conceding a first-innings lead of 100+. The next highest was also an
> India win over Australia, at Mumbai in 2004/05 after trailing by 99.

> The highest first-innings deficit by a touring side that went on to win
> in India was 65 by Australia at Madras in 1964/65. England have never
> won in India after being behind on first innings.

I still think its very unlikely as we just havnt got the bowlers
who can keep pressure on india since they will always gift
them runs every over. depends on the target of course but at least
there will be 1. India could wrap up the innings quickly 2morow
and jaiswal could wolf down most of it in 10 overs if hartley
opens again. i suggest going with root and leach after a blast from
wood.

when i turned on TS, england were 110-1 i think, well we know what happened
next so soon after i turned off. cant stop losing wkts in 2s can we. But
Pope was a revelation, no way i thought he could play such a lone
hand after his first innings, and only a shame that Foakes was the only 1 to
give him support. the one that got him seemed to almost roll under his bat.
a lot of reverse sweeping, pope was dropped off 1, and i spose if he'd
been out that way when he'd only scored 10or20, condemnation would have
followed.

mike

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 by: FBInCIAnNSATerrorist - Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:49 UTC

On 1/26/2024 9:06 AM, John Hall wrote:
> In message <0b910509-49ff-4ffc-b5b2-c6ee4ddc8168@america.com>,
> FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes
>> Yeah it was a great experience watching test cricket live after a very
>> long time in India because I have been living in USA for quite a while.
>>
>>
>> The two old british guys to my right in the picture were from Essex
>> and North London respectively.
>> https://imgbox.com/JScoVzE0
>
> Is that you wearing the shirt with "SURYA" on the back?
>

No, it wasn't me.

I sat right next to this bloke from Essex.

The two old british guys to my right in the picture were from Essex and
North London respectively.
https://imgbox.com/JScoVzE0

>>
>>
>> Another british family enjoying their holiday two rows down to the left
>> https://imgbox.com/V9DuEW8k
>>
>>
>> In the afternoon session, I moved close to the sight screen and
>> another young lad from Oxford but currently living in Berlin Germany,
>> sat next to me.
>
>
> It's been good to see crowds of 20,000+ on both the first two days.
>
>>
>>
>> Mark Wood about to start at his run up and bowl to Axar Patel in late
>> post tea session.
>> https://imgbox.com/sKqRkyRA
>>
>>
>> There were quite a few barmy army britsh fans in the crowd in
>> different sections of the ground.
>>
>>
>> All in all, it was quite enjoyable especially India doing quite well
>> after losing Yashasvi in the first over of the day.
>>
>> I was surprised Stokes didn't bowl Root for a couple of overs in late
>> Day one.
>
> Me too.
>
>>
>> Stokes was also over enthusiastic in asking for DRS reviews on Day one
>> during Indian innings.
>>
>> I noticed Stokes employed a 6-3 offside and onside field OR vice versa
>> for Jadeja, Axar, Bharat, Rahul for Spinners.
>>
>> It would be "very difficult" for England to get back into the match
>> after conceding 175 run lead to India with 3 wickets still in hand.
>
> If they could do that, it would probably be the most remarkable
> turn-around in a Test in India since India won against Australia after
> following on.
>

I sincerely hope England scores another 75 odd runs tomorrow morning and
set India a 4th innings target of about 200+ so fans can enjoy a
riveting day tomorrow.

Even commentator Kevin Pietersen was hoping for it.

It will be even more enjoyable if India is about 100/3 or 4 wickets
chasing tomorrow, making it a very tense contest.

>>
>>
>> I think England will go back to two pace bowlers in Vizag, most likely
>> James Anderson.
>
> I think Anderson will have to play, whether with or without Wood.
> England really needed a bowler who could bowl a longish spell and keep
> it tight.

Anderson can probably get England 25 overs for 50 odd runs while taking
a wicket or two or even more in Vizag which is NOT as SPIN friendly as
some of the other Indian grounds.

>
> Thanks for the photos.

You are welcome.

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 by: FBInCIAnNSATerrorist - Sat, 27 Jan 2024 15:21 UTC

On 1/26/2024 4:18 PM, jack fredricks wrote:
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 12:56:04 AM UTC+10, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> Another british family enjoying their holiday two rows down to the left
>> https://imgbox.com/V9DuEW8k
>
> Hmmm.. that looks like a standard issue MI6 Casio watch to me.

I assume you are talking about this picture.

The two old british guys to my right in the picture were from Essex and
North London respectively.
https://imgbox.com/JScoVzE0

Yesterday when I uploaded this picture to imgbox, I "thought" that I
haven't seen a Casio watch like that in a long time, the one the british
bloke was wearing.

Sorry, Jack for saying this but the evil barbaric back stabbing CIA NSA
FBI MI6 MI5 psychopaths "read my private thoughts" in India via
Satellites, Cell Towers, Internet and other modes and then "remotely
programmed" you to post that comment above.

I have been PERCEIVING remotely programming of thousands of human beings
SINCE 2006 with my ESP and THIRD EYE perception abilities which is why
the EVIL US Govt terrorists and psychopaths think I am "uniquely gifted".

ALL cricket fans on rsc and uksc have been "remotely programmed" to post
comments here MANY TIMES for the last 25 years without their knowledge
and consent.

Hundreds of millions of human brains are already LINKED to NSA HIVE AI
Global Information Grid in the last 30 years including mine and all of
yours EVER SINCE the EVIL US UK govt bastards "reverse engineered" human
brain COMPLETELY in the late 1980s/early 1990s with AI.

NSA Super/Quantum Computer AI is in CONTROL of ALL our brains and there
is absolutely nothing we or anyone can do to help us EXIT the MATRIX
because none of us can CHANGE our UNIQUE Individual DNA Resonant
Frequency with which they CONNECTED our BRAINS to AI.

Here is another example.

In 2006, I read some where on the web a dentist recommending to drink
coke/soda from a can with a STRAW to REDUCE the contact of the acidic
soda with our teeth, which destroys the enamel and color.

So, one day I took out a coke can from the fridge in my brothers house
and started drinking it with a STRAW and "privately thought" that I was
being SMART to protect my teeth.

Within a minute, the EVIL CIA NSA FBI psychopaths "remotely programmed"
my six year old niece reading some book, PROACTIVELY comment "Uncle, you
are being SMART drinking coke with a STRAW".

My brain INSTANTLY perceived at that time that the EVIL CIA NSA MI6 FBI
MI5 ASIS ASIO psychopaths "remotely programmed" her brain to SAY that to
ME, to REMIND ME that they KNEW what was going on in my mind.

But even today in 2024, people think you are CRAZY if you talk about
"mind control".

So, you can IMAGINE the UNIMAGINABLE DECEPTION the EVIL US UK Aus govt
bastards are perpetrating on the entire human species about FAKE
democracy and respect for human rights in the Western world.

EVERYTHING in the West is a LIE.

ALL I am asking you is to LEARN from my me and my TORTUROUS ORDEAL for
the last 24 years.

I have NO MENTAL PRIVACY since around 2002 and neither do hundreds of
millions of humans which they DON'T know yet.

WEF vampires RUN the US and UK Govts from behind.

CIA deep state WEF's chairman Klaus Schwab said this.

"The TECHNOLOGY is SO FAR ADVANCED there is NOTHING any ordinary human
can do anything TO STOP THEM". People will "NO PRIVACY," but they will
somehow learn to LIKE their evolving state of "digital slavery".
- WEF's Klaus Scwhab

Klaus Schwab, TRANSPARENCY, NO PRIVACY, EVERYBODY will have to LIVE WITH IT
https://sendvid.com/ozoo8scc

Biden, Sunak, Macron, Olaf Scholz, Justin Trudeau etc are all NOT
ELECTED by the public, they are SELECTED, ELECTED and INSTALLED by the
EVIL WEF oligarchic elites who RUN the US UK govts from behind and who
USE and COMMAND CIA NSA FBI DHS MI6 MI5 ASIS ASIO CSIS as their "PRIVATE
ARMY".

In the next 15-20 years, the EVIL psychopaths and terrorists in US UK
Aus govs will COMPLETE LINKING almost ALL adult human brains to NSA
Super/Quantum Computer AI and NEURALLY ENSLAVE us all to eternity.

This is INEVITABLE because nobody has the GUTS to FIGHT the EVIL US UK
govt psychopaths and terrorists EXCEPT ME but I don't have power or a
platform to EXPOSE and DESTROY the EVIL vampires.

It's GAME OVER for the entire human species.

The DUMBFUCK LOW LEVEL LOW IQ CIA NSA FBI DHS MI6 MI5 filth thinks that
they are protecting and serving american and british public WHEN in
REALITY, they are SERVING and PROTECTING the filthy rich ruling class
elites of Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Soros, Gates, Larry Fink, Warburgs,
Royal families, JP Morgans etc who are OUR REAL RULING CLASS who govern
our countries AND the world from behind.

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