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* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Recliner
+* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Tweed
|+* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Roland Perry
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|||  |`* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Graeme Wall
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|||  |     `* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?ColinR
|||  |      +- How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Sam Wilson
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|||  +* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Roland Perry
|||  |+* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Graeme Wall
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|||  |||+* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Graeme Wall
|||  ||||`* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Recliner
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|||  |||`* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Recliner
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|||   `* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Graeme Wall
|||    `- How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Sam Wilson
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||`* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?MB
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|| ||    `* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Anna Noyd-Dryver
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|| ||         `- How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Recliner
|| |`* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Sam Wilson
|| | `* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Recliner
|| |  `* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Roland Perry
|| |   `* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?MB
|| |    +- How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Recliner
|| |    `- How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Anna Noyd-Dryver
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|`- How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Recliner
`* How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Roger Lynn
 `- How does the modern railway view mainline steam?Recliner

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 by: Roland Perry - Wed, 4 May 2022 09:27 UTC

In message <t4te1c$ov0$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:38:04 on Wed, 4 May 2022,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

>> ps I was musing earlier about the stop at Newark possibly being to take
>> on water, but I hadn't fully appreciated that's within the extensive
>> diesel portion.
>
>Possibly a pathing stop? Slow charter trains often get looped, to allow a
>flight of faster service trains to overtake.

Retford would be better, as it has loops in both directions, Newark only
southbound.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Wed, 4 May 2022 09:34 UTC

In message <76f47hlr9hiqqdd4i0425ia6vu8si6mio9@4ax.com>, at 09:53:49 on
Wed, 4 May 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>On Tue, 3 May 2022 19:12:46 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <t1q27hpnk288l7crhja2v2ggejtmnce5uh@4ax.com>, at 18:37:48 on
>>Tue, 3 May 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>
>>>>>>The next one I'm booked on you'd need to be at Cambridge Station no
>>>>>>later than a quarter to seven, and get back about eleven-thirty. Unless
>>>>>>you live fairly local, I expect one or both might require an overnight
>>>>>>hotel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Do you mind me asking which tour that is? Tours from Cambrdge would
>>>>>suit me.
>>>>
>>>>The Fen and Fells Flyer. I thought you were already booked on it.
>>>
>>>That's what I thought, but it's been cancelled.
>>
>>Has it, they've not told me!! I'd be due a significant refund.
>>
>>That was my birthday present.
>
>I'm sorry to break the news. That was a decent present.

I'm glad I heard about it now, not a week before [I have a note in my
dead-tree diary] when I would be wondering why the tickets hadn't turned
up yet.

>I received an email on 27th April promising a refund within two weeks.
>It has yet to appear.

It's only one week so far.

ps. I've now tracked down the email, and it was filtered into a mailbox
full of spam from tour operators. Not wanting to book any more tours
at the moment, it's read rather infrequently.

--
Roland Perry

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 by: Recliner - Wed, 4 May 2022 09:45 UTC

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t4te1c$ov0$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:38:04 on Wed, 4 May 2022,
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>> ps I was musing earlier about the stop at Newark possibly being to take
>>> on water, but I hadn't fully appreciated that's within the extensive
>>> diesel portion.
>>
>> Possibly a pathing stop? Slow charter trains often get looped, to allow a
>> flight of faster service trains to overtake.
>
> Retford would be better, as it has loops in both directions, Newark only
> southbound.

It might be a crew change stop?

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 by: Roland Perry - Wed, 4 May 2022 11:00 UTC

In message <t4thv4$n0l$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:45:08 on Wed, 4 May 2022,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <t4te1c$ov0$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:38:04 on Wed, 4 May 2022,
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>>> ps I was musing earlier about the stop at Newark possibly being to take
>>>> on water, but I hadn't fully appreciated that's within the extensive
>>>> diesel portion.
>>>
>>> Possibly a pathing stop? Slow charter trains often get looped, to allow a
>>> flight of faster service trains to overtake.
>>
>> Retford would be better, as it has loops in both directions, Newark only
>> southbound.
>
>It might be a crew change stop?

At that point it's on a diesel hauled leg from Cambridge via
Peterborough to York. I could imagine a change of driver at
Peterborough if they really only had route knowledge as far
as that, or hours only as far as Newark, but it sounds unlikely.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Recliner - Wed, 4 May 2022 11:27 UTC

On Wed, 4 May 2022 12:00:16 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <t4thv4$n0l$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:45:08 on Wed, 4 May 2022,
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <t4te1c$ov0$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:38:04 on Wed, 4 May 2022,
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>>> ps I was musing earlier about the stop at Newark possibly being to take
>>>>> on water, but I hadn't fully appreciated that's within the extensive
>>>>> diesel portion.
>>>>
>>>> Possibly a pathing stop? Slow charter trains often get looped, to allow a
>>>> flight of faster service trains to overtake.
>>>
>>> Retford would be better, as it has loops in both directions, Newark only
>>> southbound.
>>
>>It might be a crew change stop?
>
>At that point it's on a diesel hauled leg from Cambridge via
>Peterborough to York. I could imagine a change of driver at
>Peterborough if they really only had route knowledge as far
>as that, or hours only as far as Newark, but it sounds unlikely.

Well, I don't have any better suggestions. I go on a lot more rail tours than you do, and there are often crew stops at
that stage.

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 by: Roland Perry - Fri, 6 May 2022 08:07 UTC

In message <Iti39CupRSciFAgo@perry.uk>, at 13:47:37 on Tue, 3 May 2022,
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> remarked:

>>>>> Do we know how many people would be on a typical rail tour?
>>>>
>>>> The GBXIV had about 220 passengers, plus staff. Next year's number is
>>>> likely to be higher.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>> Day tours have more, but only a few people need accommodation at the
>>>> start/finish point.
>>>
>>> Day tours are a rather different matter, although some do start rather
>>> early/finish late.
>>>
>>> The next one I'm booked on you'd need to be at Cambridge Station no
>>> later than a quarter to seven, and get back about eleven-thirty. Unless
>>> you live fairly local, I expect one or both might require an overnight
>>> hotel.

Today's tour (I'm not on it, but saw it) ad its deisel-hauled:

Cornish explorer; pickups at

Peterborough, 07:15 return 21:20 Sunday.
Ely,
Cambridge,
Royston,
Stevenage,
Welwyn Garden City,
Potters Bar,
Slough,
Maidenhead 11:45

Arr Penzance 18:25

and on that other theme:

Hotels: No overnight accommodation is included on this tour allowing
you the flexibility to arrange your own hotels in Truro, Falmouth,
Carbis Bay, St Ives, or Penzance.

That'll be for two nights, returning Sunday.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Recliner - Fri, 6 May 2022 12:23 UTC

On Fri, 6 May 2022 09:07:40 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <Iti39CupRSciFAgo@perry.uk>, at 13:47:37 on Tue, 3 May 2022,
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>>>> Do we know how many people would be on a typical rail tour?
>>>>>
>>>>> The GBXIV had about 220 passengers, plus staff. Next year's number is
>>>>> likely to be higher.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>> Day tours have more, but only a few people need accommodation at the
>>>>> start/finish point.
>>>>
>>>> Day tours are a rather different matter, although some do start rather
>>>> early/finish late.
>>>>
>>>> The next one I'm booked on you'd need to be at Cambridge Station no
>>>> later than a quarter to seven, and get back about eleven-thirty. Unless
>>>> you live fairly local, I expect one or both might require an overnight
>>>> hotel.
>
>Today's tour (I'm not on it, but saw it) ad its deisel-hauled:
>
>Cornish explorer; pickups at
>
> Peterborough, 07:15 return 21:20 Sunday.
> Ely,
> Cambridge,
> Royston,
> Stevenage,
> Welwyn Garden City,
> Potters Bar,
> Slough,
> Maidenhead 11:45
>
>Arr Penzance 18:25
>
>and on that other theme:
>
> Hotels: No overnight accommodation is included on this tour allowing
> you the flexibility to arrange your own hotels in Truro, Falmouth,
> Carbis Bay, St Ives, or Penzance.
>
>That'll be for two nights, returning Sunday.

Yes, and the itinerary means that there won't be any luggage storage in a brake van, so everyone will have to bring
their bags for two nights into the tarted-up Mk 2 carriages. I guess they'll have to pack light.

I've not been on Statesman tours, but I expect that the carriages will be nicely refurbished and well turned-out, like
all of Jeremy's trains. The food will be plated, rather than silver-served.

One thing they can do on the Saturday is to take a circular open-top bus tour. It's only £5 for the day, but free (at
any time) for twirlies.

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72177720298684455>

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Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 May 2022 09:07:40 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <Iti39CupRSciFAgo@perry.uk>, at 13:47:37 on Tue, 3 May 2022,
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>>>> Do we know how many people would be on a typical rail tour?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The GBXIV had about 220 passengers, plus staff. Next year's number is
>>>>>> likely to be higher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>> Day tours have more, but only a few people need accommodation at the
>>>>>> start/finish point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Day tours are a rather different matter, although some do start rather
>>>>> early/finish late.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next one I'm booked on you'd need to be at Cambridge Station no
>>>>> later than a quarter to seven, and get back about eleven-thirty. Unless
>>>>> you live fairly local, I expect one or both might require an overnight
>>>>> hotel.
>>
>> Today's tour (I'm not on it, but saw it) ad its deisel-hauled:
>>
>> Cornish explorer; pickups at
>>
>> Peterborough, 07:15 return 21:20 Sunday.
>> Ely,
>> Cambridge,
>> Royston,
>> Stevenage,
>> Welwyn Garden City,
>> Potters Bar,
>> Slough,
>> Maidenhead 11:45
>>
>> Arr Penzance 18:25
>>
>> and on that other theme:
>>
>> Hotels: No overnight accommodation is included on this tour allowing
>> you the flexibility to arrange your own hotels in Truro, Falmouth,
>> Carbis Bay, St Ives, or Penzance.
>>
>> That'll be for two nights, returning Sunday.
>
> Yes, and the itinerary means that there won't be any luggage storage in a
> brake van, so everyone will have to bring
> their bags for two nights into the tarted-up Mk 2 carriages. I guess
> they'll have to pack light.
>
> I've not been on Statesman tours, but I expect that the carriages will be
> nicely refurbished and well turned-out, like
> all of Jeremy's trains. The food will be plated, rather than silver-served.
>
> One thing they can do on the Saturday is to take a circular open-top bus
> tour. It's only £5 for the day, but free (at
> any time) for twirlies.
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72177720298684455>
>

How did you find GBXIV towards the end? Does it remain interesting or just
turn into another day with another steam loco? In other words, does the
novelty wear off?

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 by: Recliner - Fri, 6 May 2022 13:09 UTC

On Fri, 6 May 2022 13:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 09:07:40 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <Iti39CupRSciFAgo@perry.uk>, at 13:47:37 on Tue, 3 May 2022,
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Do we know how many people would be on a typical rail tour?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The GBXIV had about 220 passengers, plus staff. Next year's number is
>>>>>>> likely to be higher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Day tours have more, but only a few people need accommodation at the
>>>>>>> start/finish point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Day tours are a rather different matter, although some do start rather
>>>>>> early/finish late.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next one I'm booked on you'd need to be at Cambridge Station no
>>>>>> later than a quarter to seven, and get back about eleven-thirty. Unless
>>>>>> you live fairly local, I expect one or both might require an overnight
>>>>>> hotel.
>>>
>>> Today's tour (I'm not on it, but saw it) ad its deisel-hauled:
>>>
>>> Cornish explorer; pickups at
>>>
>>> Peterborough, 07:15 return 21:20 Sunday.
>>> Ely,
>>> Cambridge,
>>> Royston,
>>> Stevenage,
>>> Welwyn Garden City,
>>> Potters Bar,
>>> Slough,
>>> Maidenhead 11:45
>>>
>>> Arr Penzance 18:25
>>>
>>> and on that other theme:
>>>
>>> Hotels: No overnight accommodation is included on this tour allowing
>>> you the flexibility to arrange your own hotels in Truro, Falmouth,
>>> Carbis Bay, St Ives, or Penzance.
>>>
>>> That'll be for two nights, returning Sunday.
>>
>> Yes, and the itinerary means that there won't be any luggage storage in a
>> brake van, so everyone will have to bring
>> their bags for two nights into the tarted-up Mk 2 carriages. I guess
>> they'll have to pack light.
>>
>> I've not been on Statesman tours, but I expect that the carriages will be
>> nicely refurbished and well turned-out, like
>> all of Jeremy's trains. The food will be plated, rather than silver-served.
>>
>> One thing they can do on the Saturday is to take a circular open-top bus
>> tour. It's only £5 for the day, but free (at
>> any time) for twirlies.
>>
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72177720298684455>
>>
>
>How did you find GBXIV towards the end? Does it remain interesting or just
>turn into another day with another steam loco? In other words, does the
>novelty wear off?

No, it stayed interesting, except for the numerous water and pathing stops, which became tedious. NR produces very
relaxed steam itineraries, which the more powerful locos could easily better, but they're not allowed to. So, you might
be 45 minutes early at times, but the end of the day's journey is never early.

It helped that there was one day with optional steam (which I declined) and one day off. So, I had two non-train days
(in Stirling and Penzance) which added interest.

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 by: Roland Perry - Sun, 8 May 2022 14:12 UTC

In message <76f47hlr9hiqqdd4i0425ia6vu8si6mio9@4ax.com>, at 09:53:49 on
Wed, 4 May 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>On Tue, 3 May 2022 19:12:46 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <t1q27hpnk288l7crhja2v2ggejtmnce5uh@4ax.com>, at 18:37:48 on
>>Tue, 3 May 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>
>>>>>>The next one I'm booked on you'd need to be at Cambridge Station no
>>>>>>later than a quarter to seven, and get back about eleven-thirty. Unless
>>>>>>you live fairly local, I expect one or both might require an overnight
>>>>>>hotel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Do you mind me asking which tour that is? Tours from Cambrdge would
>>>>>suit me.
>>>>
>>>>The Fen and Fells Flyer. I thought you were already booked on it.
>>>
>>>That's what I thought, but it's been cancelled.
>>
>>Has it, they've not told me!! I'd be due a significant refund.
>>
>>That was my birthday present.
>
>I'm sorry to break the news. That was a decent present.
>
>I received an email on 27th April promising a refund within two weeks.
>It has yet to appear.

Mine arrived a couple of days ago.

Meanwhile English Riviera Express (Ely 06:00, Cambridge 06:20, etc) has
appeared on the radar. 20th August.

Unfortunately almost 50% more expensive, and only steam hauled from
Taunton onwards (that's just 60 of the 300 miles). Good news, they have
a pool of kettles. Bad news, it just doesn't quite stack up for me.
--
Roland Perry

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On 04/05/2022 11:34, Roland Perry wrote:
>In message <76f47hlr9hiqqdd4i0425ia6vu8si6mio9@4ax.com>, at 09:53:49 on
>Wed, 4 May 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>On Tue, 3 May 2022 19:12:46 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <t1q27hpnk288l7crhja2v2ggejtmnce5uh@4ax.com>, at 18:37:48 on
>>>Tue, 3 May 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>>>The next one I'm booked on you'd need to be at Cambridge Station no
>>>>>>>later than a quarter to seven, and get back about eleven-thirty. Unless
>>>>>>>you live fairly local, I expect one or both might require an overnight
>>>>>>>hotel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you mind me asking which tour that is? Tours from Cambrdge would
>>>>>>suit me.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Fen and Fells Flyer. I thought you were already booked on it.
>>>>
>>>>That's what I thought, but it's been cancelled.
>>>
>>>Has it, they've not told me!! I'd be due a significant refund.
>>>
>>>That was my birthday present.
>>
>>I'm sorry to break the news. That was a decent present.
>
>I'm glad I heard about it now, not a week before [I have a note in my
>dead-tree diary] when I would be wondering why the tickets hadn't turned
>up yet.
>
>>I received an email on 27th April promising a refund within two weeks.
>>It has yet to appear.
>
>It's only one week so far.
>
>ps. I've now tracked down the email, and it was filtered into a mailbox
> full of spam from tour operators. Not wanting to book any more tours
> at the moment, it's read rather infrequently.

https://www.a1steam.com/2022/05/11/overhaul-over-run-explained/

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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:56 UTC

In message <t5inf9$rf1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:27:53 on Thu, 12 May
2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On 04/05/2022 11:34, Roland Perry wrote:
>>In message <76f47hlr9hiqqdd4i0425ia6vu8si6mio9@4ax.com>, at 09:53:49
>>on Wed, 4 May 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>On Tue, 3 May 2022 19:12:46 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <t1q27hpnk288l7crhja2v2ggejtmnce5uh@4ax.com>, at 18:37:48 on
>>>>Tue, 3 May 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>The next one I'm booked on you'd need to be at Cambridge Station no
>>>>>>>>later than a quarter to seven, and get back about eleven-thirty. Unless
>>>>>>>>you live fairly local, I expect one or both might require an overnight
>>>>>>>>hotel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you mind me asking which tour that is? Tours from Cambrdge would
>>>>>>>suit me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Fen and Fells Flyer. I thought you were already booked on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's what I thought, but it's been cancelled.
>>>>
>>>>Has it, they've not told me!! I'd be due a significant refund.
>>>>
>>>>That was my birthday present.
>>>
>>>I'm sorry to break the news. That was a decent present.
>>
>>I'm glad I heard about it now, not a week before [I have a note in my
>>dead-tree diary] when I would be wondering why the tickets hadn't
>>turned up yet.
>>
>>>I received an email on 27th April promising a refund within two weeks.
>>>It has yet to appear.
>>
>>It's only one week so far.
>>
>>ps. I've now tracked down the email, and it was filtered into a mailbox
>> full of spam from tour operators. Not wanting to book any more tours
>> at the moment, it's read rather infrequently.
>
>https://www.a1steam.com/2022/05/11/overhaul-over-run-explained/

Thanks. But I don't think I'll be rewarding their forward planning
failures (especially as they admit some of the delays were unsurprising)
by donating.
--
Roland Perry

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