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From: ema...@nowhere.com (Lew 1)
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Subject: Falling from platforms
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 14:38:14 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Lew 1 - Fri, 13 May 2022 14:38 UTC

Some harrowing stories in this article:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882

Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform on
the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…

Lew

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 by: invalid - Fri, 13 May 2022 16:55 UTC

On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>
>
> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>
> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform on
> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>
> Lew
Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.

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 by: NY - Fri, 13 May 2022 21:04 UTC

"invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>
>>
>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>
>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform
>> on
>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>
>> Lew
> Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.

I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either
for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a few steps
away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to use as a
reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large crowd on the
platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and everyone backs
away to make room for them...

I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width of
an island platform.

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 by: ColinR - Fri, 13 May 2022 21:30 UTC

On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>
>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>> platform on
>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>
>>> Lew
>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>
> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen -
> either for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a
> few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to
> use as a reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large
> crowd on the platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and
> everyone backs away to make room for them...
>
> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width
> of an island platform.

The Glasgow underground had / has* very narrow island platforms, always
a bit daunting.

*I know it has been updated recently so no idea of current arrngements.

--
Colin

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 by: Certes - Fri, 13 May 2022 21:36 UTC

On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>
>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>> platform on
>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>
>>> Lew
>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>
> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen -
> either for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a
> few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to
> use as a reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large
> crowd on the platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and
> everyone backs away to make room for them...
>
> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width
> of an island platform.

I used Angel in those days. It didn't seem too scary for the regulars
who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening.
The platform does look very narrow about 50 seconds into this 1989 BBC
documentary:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0074tkn/40-minutes-heart-of-the-angel>

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 by: Recliner - Fri, 13 May 2022 21:39 UTC

ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>
>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>> platform on
>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>
>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen -
>> either for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a
>> few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to
>> use as a reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large
>> crowd on the platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and
>> everyone backs away to make room for them...
>>
>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width
>> of an island platform.
>
> The Glasgow underground had / has* very narrow island platforms, always
> a bit daunting.
>
> *I know it has been updated recently so no idea of current arrngements.
>

It's getting PEDs:

<https://www.railjournal.com/in_depth/automating-glasgows-clockwork-orange/>

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 by: Marland - Fri, 13 May 2022 21:59 UTC

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>
>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform
>>> on
>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>
>>> Lew
>> Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>
> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either
> for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a few steps
> away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to use as a
> reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large crowd on the
> platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and everyone backs
> away to make room for them...
>
> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width of
> an island platform.
>
>

I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it closed for
rebuilding in 1977,
most if not all platforms were similar in being fairly narrow Island.
platforms. How did people in those days cope or were such casualties just
accepted ?
Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .

* Actually I’m old enough to recall a few rides on Glasgow trams in the
City when taken there for that reason when young. Most of the contributors
to this group are mature in years, any one else
traveled on a first generation tramway not including Blackpool?
I suspect we are rarer than those who can remember catching a steam powered
train as a normal event.

GH

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 by: Nobody - Fri, 13 May 2022 22:52 UTC

On 13 May 2022 21:59:14 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
wrote:

>NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>
>I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it closed for
>rebuilding in 1977,
>most if not all platforms were similar in being fairly narrow Island.
>platforms. How did people in those days cope or were such casualties just
>accepted ?
>Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
>platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .
>
>* Actually I’m old enough to recall a few rides on Glasgow trams in the
>City when taken there for that reason when young. Most of the contributors
>to this group are mature in years, any one else
>traveled on a first generation tramway not including Blackpool?
>I suspect we are rarer than those who can remember catching a steam powered
>train as a normal event.
>
>GH

Yep, Auckland in the early 50's... Wellington in '64 when the sole
remaining line closed.

Melbourne and San Francisco would count as first-generation even if
the equipment is modern. San Francisco also runs a variety of vintage
stock from a number of contributors along Market and the Embarcadero.

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Sat, 14 May 2022 02:15 UTC

Lew 1 <email@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>
> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform on
> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>
>

As a result of incidents like this, there are now automated announcements
at some stations "some platforms at this station have no, or partial,
tactile paving along the platform edge" (or similar wording). They are, of
course, among the announcements which people who don't need them, complain
about.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Roland Perry - Sat, 14 May 2022 07:28 UTC

In message <t5mj1h$19m$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:36:49 on Fri, 13 May
2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>
>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>>platform on
>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but
>>from photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to
>>happen - either for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he
>>walked a few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter the
>>tunnel wall to use as a reference), or for sighted people when there
>>was a very large crowd on the platform and a train arrives, disgorges
>>its passengers and everyone backs away to make room for them...
>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible
>>width of an island platform.
>
>I used Angel in those days. It didn't seem too scary for the regulars
>who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening.

Are such accidents not recorded as statistics somewhere?

iirc Various posters round the tube from time to time suggest the most
frequent accidents are people falling down escalators.

--
Roland Perry

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 by: Graeme Wall - Sat, 14 May 2022 07:54 UTC

On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>
>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform
>>>> on
>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>> Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>
>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either
>> for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a few steps
>> away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to use as a
>> reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large crowd on the
>> platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and everyone backs
>> away to make room for them...
>>
>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width of
>> an island platform.
>>
>>
>
> I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it closed for
> rebuilding in 1977,
> most if not all platforms were similar in being fairly narrow Island.
> platforms. How did people in those days cope or were such casualties just
> accepted ?
> Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
> platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .
>
> * Actually I’m old enough to recall a few rides on Glasgow trams in the
> City when taken there for that reason when young. Most of the contributors
> to this group are mature in years, any one else
> traveled on a first generation tramway not including Blackpool?
> I suspect we are rarer than those who can remember catching a steam powered
> train as a normal event.
>

I travelled on a London tram but have no memory of it. I do remember
seeing one though.

--
Graeme Wall
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 by: Graeme Wall - Sat, 14 May 2022 07:55 UTC

On 13/05/2022 23:52, Nobody wrote:
> On 13 May 2022 21:59:14 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it closed for
>> rebuilding in 1977,
>> most if not all platforms were similar in being fairly narrow Island.
>> platforms. How did people in those days cope or were such casualties just
>> accepted ?
>> Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
>> platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .
>>
>> * Actually I’m old enough to recall a few rides on Glasgow trams in the
>> City when taken there for that reason when young. Most of the contributors
>> to this group are mature in years, any one else
>> traveled on a first generation tramway not including Blackpool?
>> I suspect we are rarer than those who can remember catching a steam powered
>> train as a normal event.
>>
>> GH
>
> Yep, Auckland in the early 50's... Wellington in '64 when the sole
> remaining line closed.
>
> Melbourne and San Francisco would count as first-generation even if
> the equipment is modern. San Francisco also runs a variety of vintage
> stock from a number of contributors along Market and the Embarcadero.

Lisbon, Brussels, Prague, Amsterdam…

--
Graeme Wall
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 by: Graeme Wall - Sat, 14 May 2022 07:56 UTC

On 14/05/2022 03:15, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> Lew 1 <email@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>
>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform on
>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>
>>
>
> As a result of incidents like this, there are now automated announcements
> at some stations "some platforms at this station have no, or partial,
> tactile paving along the platform edge" (or similar wording). They are, of
> course, among the announcements which people who don't need them, complain
> about.
>

I noticed they suddenly started at Guildford, still trying to find the
platform that hasn't got them.

--
Graeme Wall
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 by: Roland Perry - Sat, 14 May 2022 08:28 UTC

In message <t5nn6q$lb3$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:54:02 on Sat, 14 May
2022, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>
>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform
>>>>> on
>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>> Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>
>>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either
>>> for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a few steps
>>> away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to use as a
>>> reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large crowd on the
>>> platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and everyone backs
>>> away to make room for them...
>>>
>>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width of
>>> an island platform.
>>>
>> I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it
>>closed for rebuilding in 1977, most if not all platforms were
>>similar in being fairly narrow Island. platforms. How did people in
>>those days cope or were such casualties just accepted ?

>> Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
>> platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .

>> * Actually I’m old enough to recall a few rides on Glasgow trams
>>in the City when taken there for that reason when young. Most of the
>>contributors to this group are mature in years, any one else traveled
>>on a first generation tramway not including Blackpool? I suspect we
>>are rarer than those who can remember catching a steam powered train
>>as a normal event.
>
>I travelled on a London tram but have no memory of it. I do remember
>seeing one though.

I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
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 by: NY - Sat, 14 May 2022 10:06 UTC

"Certes" <none@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> I used Angel in those days. It didn't seem too scary for the regulars
> who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening.
> The platform does look very narrow about 50 seconds into this 1989 BBC
> documentary:
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0074tkn/40-minutes-heart-of-the-angel>

Ah, the good old Heart of the Angel. Molly Dineen made some good films.

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 by: Sam Wilson - Sat, 14 May 2022 10:20 UTC

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Lew 1 <email@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>
>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform on
>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>
>>
>
> As a result of incidents like this, there are now automated announcements
> at some stations "some platforms at this station have no, or partial,
> tactile paving along the platform edge" (or similar wording). They are, of
> course, among the announcements which people who don't need them, complain
> about.

I caught a train from York on Thursday and noticed those announcements
then. First time I’d come across them.

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t5nn6q$lb3$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:54:02 on Sat, 14 May
> 2022, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lew
>>>>> Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>>
>>>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>>>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either
>>>> for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a few steps
>>>> away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to use as a
>>>> reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large crowd on the
>>>> platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and everyone backs
>>>> away to make room for them...
>>>>
>>>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width of
>>>> an island platform.
>>>>
>>> I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it
>>> closed for rebuilding in 1977, most if not all platforms were
>>> similar in being fairly narrow Island. platforms. How did people in
>>> those days cope or were such casualties just accepted ?
>
>>> Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
>>> platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .
>
>>> * Actually I’m old enough to recall a few rides on Glasgow trams
>>> in the City when taken there for that reason when young. Most of the
>>> contributors to this group are mature in years, any one else traveled
>>> on a first generation tramway not including Blackpool? I suspect we
>>> are rarer than those who can remember catching a steam powered train
>>> as a normal event.
>>
>> I travelled on a London tram but have no memory of it. I do remember
>> seeing one though.
>
> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.

I have a very vague memory of trolley buses in Manchester but the trams’
demise predated me by quite a few years.

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 by: ColinR - Sat, 14 May 2022 11:48 UTC

On 13/05/2022 22:39, Recliner wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>
>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>>> platform on
>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>
>>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen -
>>> either for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a
>>> few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to
>>> use as a reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large
>>> crowd on the platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and
>>> everyone backs away to make room for them...
>>>
>>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width
>>> of an island platform.
>>
>> The Glasgow underground had / has* very narrow island platforms, always
>> a bit daunting.
>>
>> *I know it has been updated recently so no idea of current arrngements.
>>
>
> It's getting PEDs:
>
> <https://www.railjournal.com/in_depth/automating-glasgows-clockwork-orange/>

Interesting article. I am bemused by one bit though "Potential water
ingress is continually monitored because of the line’s proximity to the
River Clyde, with tunnels running between 2m and 35m below the river’s
high-water level."

With the tunnel being 2m below the high water level and today's tidal
rise and fall being in excess of 4m then the top of the tunnel is above
the low tide. So, a cut and cover type of tunnel built above the seabed?

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 by: ColinR - Sat, 14 May 2022 11:53 UTC

On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>
>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform
>>>> on
>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>> Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>
>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either
>> for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a few steps
>> away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to use as a
>> reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large crowd on the
>> platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and everyone backs
>> away to make room for them...
>>
>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width of
>> an island platform.
>>
>>
>
> I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it closed for
> rebuilding in 1977,
> most if not all platforms were similar in being fairly narrow Island.
> platforms. How did people in those days cope or were such casualties just
> accepted ?
> Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
> platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .
>
[snip]

See Recliner's post above 13th May 2239hrs.

Same narrow platforms, but with PEDs.

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 by: Sam Wilson - Sat, 14 May 2022 12:20 UTC

ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>
>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform
>>>>> on
>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>> Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>
>>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either
>>> for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a few steps
>>> away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to use as a
>>> reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large crowd on the
>>> platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and everyone backs
>>> away to make room for them...
>>>
>>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width of
>>> an island platform.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it closed for
>> rebuilding in 1977,
>> most if not all platforms were similar in being fairly narrow Island.
>> platforms. How did people in those days cope or were such casualties just
>> accepted ?
>> Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
>> platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .
>>
> [snip]
>
> See Recliner's post above 13th May 2239hrs.
>
> Same narrow platforms, but with PEDs.

Some of the stations have an island platform and one side platform, so the
island is used for one direction and the side platform for the other. The
island platform is fenced on the offside. Hillhead and Buchanan St are
like that; I’m simply ignorant of whether others are too.

<https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/06/61/90/6619091_773e06cd_original.jpg>
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ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 22:39, Recliner wrote:
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>>>> platform on
>>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>>
>>>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>>>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen -
>>>> either for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a
>>>> few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to
>>>> use as a reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large
>>>> crowd on the platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and
>>>> everyone backs away to make room for them...
>>>>
>>>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width
>>>> of an island platform.
>>>
>>> The Glasgow underground had / has* very narrow island platforms, always
>>> a bit daunting.
>>>
>>> *I know it has been updated recently so no idea of current arrngements.
>>>
>>
>> It's getting PEDs:
>>
>> <https://www.railjournal.com/in_depth/automating-glasgows-clockwork-orange/>
>
>
> Interesting article. I am bemused by one bit though "Potential water
> ingress is continually monitored because of the line’s proximity to the
> River Clyde, with tunnels running between 2m and 35m below the river’s
> high-water level."
>
> With the tunnel being 2m below the high water level and today's tidal
> rise and fall being in excess of 4m then the top of the tunnel is above
> the low tide. So, a cut and cover type of tunnel built above the seabed?
>

Surely the part which is 2m below HWL is elsewhere in the city, not in the
river?

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 by: ColinR - Sat, 14 May 2022 15:13 UTC

On 14/05/2022 15:57, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/05/2022 22:39, Recliner wrote:
>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>>>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>>>>> platform on
>>>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>>>>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen -
>>>>> either for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a
>>>>> few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to
>>>>> use as a reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large
>>>>> crowd on the platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and
>>>>> everyone backs away to make room for them...
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width
>>>>> of an island platform.
>>>>
>>>> The Glasgow underground had / has* very narrow island platforms, always
>>>> a bit daunting.
>>>>
>>>> *I know it has been updated recently so no idea of current arrngements.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's getting PEDs:
>>>
>>> <https://www.railjournal.com/in_depth/automating-glasgows-clockwork-orange/>
>>
>>
>> Interesting article. I am bemused by one bit though "Potential water
>> ingress is continually monitored because of the line’s proximity to the
>> River Clyde, with tunnels running between 2m and 35m below the river’s
>> high-water level."
>>
>> With the tunnel being 2m below the high water level and today's tidal
>> rise and fall being in excess of 4m then the top of the tunnel is above
>> the low tide. So, a cut and cover type of tunnel built above the seabed?
>>
>
> Surely the part which is 2m below HWL is elsewhere in the city, not in the
> river?
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>

Possibly, but the station I used most frequently was Cowcaddens. The
Ordnance Survey shows ground level there to be greater than 30 metres
and my recollection is that the platform level was between 5-10 metres
below ground level.

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 by: ColinR - Sat, 14 May 2022 15:23 UTC

On 14/05/2022 13:20, Sam Wilson wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lew
>>>>> Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>>
>>>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>>>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either
>>>> for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a few steps
>>>> away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to use as a
>>>> reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large crowd on the
>>>> platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and everyone backs
>>>> away to make room for them...
>>>>
>>>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width of
>>>> an island platform.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it closed for
>>> rebuilding in 1977,
>>> most if not all platforms were similar in being fairly narrow Island.
>>> platforms. How did people in those days cope or were such casualties just
>>> accepted ?
>>> Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
>>> platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> See Recliner's post above 13th May 2239hrs.
>>
>> Same narrow platforms, but with PEDs.
>
> Some of the stations have an island platform and one side platform, so the
> island is used for one direction and the side platform for the other. The
> island platform is fenced on the offside. Hillhead and Buchanan St are
> like that; I’m simply ignorant of whether others are too.
>
> <https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/06/61/90/6619091_773e06cd_original.jpg>
> <https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_oDU94RChf8/maxresdefault.jpg>
>
> Sam
>

These photos shows Cowcaddens as I recall it. May have changed since? I
do also recall that some stations had a side platform, but most just a
single island platform.
https://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/77/04/770456_a01b40e4.jpg
https://alchetron.com/cdn/cowcaddens-subway-station-8e16e7d8-0811-4ece-8d3b-32346fd12ab-resize-750.jpg

And St George's Cross:
http://glasgowsubwaystories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/wpid-st_georges_vista.jpeg

And Kelvinbridge:
https://www.thefis.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Carter-Ceilings-Kelvinbridge-Subway-Station-4-980x959.jpg

--
Colin

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 by: Marland - Sat, 14 May 2022 17:47 UTC

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 23:52, Nobody wrote:
>> On 13 May 2022 21:59:14 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
>> wrote:

>>> * Actually I’m old enough to recall a few rides on Glasgow trams in the
>>> City when taken there for that reason when young. Most of the contributors
>>> to this group are mature in years, any one else
>>> traveled on a first generation tramway not including Blackpool?
>>> I suspect we are rarer than those who can remember catching a steam powered
>>> train as a normal event.
>>>
>>> GH
>>
>> Yep, Auckland in the early 50's... Wellington in '64 when the sole
>> remaining line closed.
>>
>> Melbourne and San Francisco would count as first-generation even if
>> the equipment is modern. San Francisco also runs a variety of vintage
>> stock from a number of contributors along Market and the Embarcadero.
>
> Lisbon, Brussels, Prague, Amsterdam…
>

Yes, there are plenty of places abroad who never gave up their tram
networks and have routes that have seen continuous service since late the
19th and early 20th centuries many of which have naturally introduced
successive generations of more modern equipment , even Lisbons older cars
are mainly running on newer running gear.
But the UK did not do that with any of its inland town and city systems
of which Glasgow was the last to close. Blackpool which continued was a
special case with its long seafront route to Fleetwood carrying the huge
number of visitors to the resort . Often overlooked is that while it
introduced a fleet of new cars in the 1930’s that were very modern for
their time some of which still see service*
the town was not shy of closing routes inland at the same period and did so
again with the last inland
routes going in the early 1960’s.

* I wonder if their maintenance chaps looked down South and wondered what
the fuss was about
when a few trains a bit younger and running on a shorter route on an
Island were being lauded .

GH

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Sat, 14 May 2022 18:55 UTC

Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/05/2022 23:52, Nobody wrote:
>>> On 13 May 2022 21:59:14 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>
>>>> * Actually I’m old enough to recall a few rides on Glasgow trams in the
>>>> City when taken there for that reason when young. Most of the contributors
>>>> to this group are mature in years, any one else
>>>> traveled on a first generation tramway not including Blackpool?
>>>> I suspect we are rarer than those who can remember catching a steam powered
>>>> train as a normal event.
>>>>
>>>> GH
>>>
>>> Yep, Auckland in the early 50's... Wellington in '64 when the sole
>>> remaining line closed.
>>>
>>> Melbourne and San Francisco would count as first-generation even if
>>> the equipment is modern. San Francisco also runs a variety of vintage
>>> stock from a number of contributors along Market and the Embarcadero.
>>
>> Lisbon, Brussels, Prague, Amsterdam…
>>
>
> Yes, there are plenty of places abroad who never gave up their tram
> networks and have routes that have seen continuous service since late the
> 19th and early 20th centuries many of which have naturally introduced
> successive generations of more modern equipment , even Lisbons older cars
> are mainly running on newer running gear.
> But the UK did not do that with any of its inland town and city systems
> of which Glasgow was the last to close. Blackpool which continued was a
> special case with its long seafront route to Fleetwood carrying the huge
> number of visitors to the resort . Often overlooked is that while it
> introduced a fleet of new cars in the 1930’s that were very modern for
> their time some of which still see service*
> the town was not shy of closing routes inland at the same period and did so
> again with the last inland
> routes going in the early 1960’s.
>
> * I wonder if their maintenance chaps looked down South and wondered what
> the fuss was about
> when a few trains a bit younger and running on a shorter route on an
> Island were being lauded .
>
>

Nine Blackpool 'balloon' cars were modified with wider doors to allow them
to operate in regular service alongside the new fleet, however AFAIK they
have only done so on a handful of occasions. Six are currently available
for traffic and four have operated this year; in the main they're used as
part of the heritage fleet, which operates separately-ticketed limited-stop
tours only.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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