InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email, with an invite to send them
my thoughts.

The web form they linked to has a particularly small text field, so my
thoughts were modified to be

"IfYouWantMyThoughtsPleaseLetMeTypeMoreThan50Charac"

I suppose I could alter the maxlength=50 in their form ...

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:31:00 +0000
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email, with an invite to send them
> my thoughts.
>
> The web form they linked to has a particularly small text field, so my
> thoughts were modified to be
>
> "IfYouWantMyThoughtsPleaseLetMeTypeMoreThan50Charac"
>
> I suppose I could alter the maxlength=50 in their form ...

Ahbut there's 10 characters for the user ID, 20 for the policy
number and that only leaves 50 columns on the card innit.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On 12-Feb-24 17:05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:31:00 +0000
> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>
>> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
>> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email, with an invite to send them
>> my thoughts.
>>
>> The web form they linked to has a particularly small text field, so my
>> thoughts were modified to be
>>
>> "IfYouWantMyThoughtsPleaseLetMeTypeMoreThan50Charac"
>>
>> I suppose I could alter the maxlength=50 in their form ...
>
> Ahbut there's 10 characters for the user ID, 20 for the policy
> number and that only leaves 50 columns on the card innit.
>
Are insurance companies still doing that
"Your renewal is now due, but we aren't allowed to tell you what the
renewal premium will be unless you contact us."
thing?

--
Sam Plusnet

Sam Plusnet wrote:

> Are insurance companies still doing that
> "Your renewal is now due, but we aren't allowed to tell you what the
> renewal premium will be unless you contact us."
> thing?

No, they have to tell you what it was last year and what it'll be to
renew ...

<https://www.fca.org.uk/firms/transparency-insurance-renewals>

Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> writes:

> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email, with an invite to send them
> my thoughts.
>
> The web form they linked to has a particularly small text field, so my
> thoughts were modified to be
>
> "IfYouWantMyThoughtsPleaseLetMeTypeMoreThan50Charac"
>
> I suppose I could alter the maxlength=50 in their form ...

If they're getting your input with a TEXTAREA rather than some arcane js:

Save a copy of the page. Put thye original URL in a BASE tag within
the HEAD block.

change the relevant TEXTAREA attributes to make it 80 cols by 24 lines
and no MAXLENGTH. Load it into your browser, fill and submit.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On 13 Feb 2024 02:49:27 -0400, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> writes:
>
>> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
>> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email, with an invite to send them
>> my thoughts.
>>
>> The web form they linked to has a particularly small text field, so my
>> thoughts were modified to be
>>
>> "IfYouWantMyThoughtsPleaseLetMeTypeMoreThan50Charac"
>>
>> I suppose I could alter the maxlength=50 in their form ...
>
>If they're getting your input with a TEXTAREA rather than some arcane js:
>
>Save a copy of the page. Put thye original URL in a BASE tag within
>the HEAD block.
>
>change the relevant TEXTAREA attributes to make it 80 cols by 24 lines
>and no MAXLENGTH. Load it into your browser, fill and submit.

er, what could happen on their side?

https://xkcd.com/327/

Thomas Prufer

Mike Spencer wrote:

> Tease'n'Seize writes:
>
>> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
>> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email

And today the quote arrives, +62% compared last year, replacement policy
found at +11% so far
>> I suppose I could alter the maxlength=50 in their form ...
>
> If they're getting your input with a TEXTAREA rather than some arcane js:
>
> Save a copy of the page. Put thye original URL in a BASE tag within
> the HEAD block.
>
> change the relevant TEXTAREA attributes to make it 80 cols by 24 lines
> and no MAXLENGTH. Load it into your browser, fill and submit.

It's not even a textarea, just an single line text field

input name="Answer" type="text" placeholder="" required=""
maxlength="50" class="ic-1dc10fi-ic-text-select eetyfzj0" value="">

I simply tweaked the length attribute with firefox developer tools, of
course it's possible the handler at their end truncates it, or crashes
with a buffer overflow.

On 12/02/2024 16:31, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email, with an invite to send them
> my thoughts.
>
> The web form they linked to has a particularly small text field, so my
> thoughts were modified to be
>
> "IfYouWantMyThoughtsPleaseLetMeTypeMoreThan50Charac"
>
> I suppose I could alter the maxlength=50 in their form ...

Hmm... well mine dropped by 12 quids and swmbo's rose by 2 squid.*

HTH

Chris
*Both with Post Office btw

On 12/02/2024 16:31, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email, with an invite to send them
> my thoughts.
>
> The web form they linked to has a particularly small text field, so my
> thoughts were modified to be
>
> "IfYouWantMyThoughtsPleaseLetMeTypeMoreThan50Charac"
>
> I suppose I could alter the maxlength=50 in their form ...

My insco told me renewal would be £500. I went compare and got a quote
for the same level of cover for £300. Existing insco could only get down
to £400 so I switched, after about 20 years with the old one. I did get
my cracked windscreen replaced on the old insco before the cover ran
out, I thought it was about time I got something back from them.

Mike Fleming wrote:

> I did get
> my cracked windscreen replaced on the old insco before the cover ran
> out, I thought it was about time I got something back from them.

Thassa good point, I did get an advisory on the last MOT for chips
(despite the same chips being present and given the nod by the same
tester for the last 2 years) So I have got a month to get the current
insurer to fork out for it ...

Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> writes:

> On 13 Feb 2024 02:49:27 -0400, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>>> [snip]
>
>> If they're getting your input with a TEXTAREA rather than some arcane js:
>>
>> Save a copy of the page. Put thye original URL in a BASE tag within
>> the HEAD block.
>>
>> change the relevant TEXTAREA attributes to make it 80 cols by 24 lines
>> and no MAXLENGTH. Load it into your browser, fill and submit.
>
> er, what could happen on their side?
>
> https://xkcd.com/327/

Um, yes, there is that.

Global generalization: Forms are not intender to *collect* information
but to exclude or limit it, explicitly and structurally excluding
everything the *you* may think/know is relevant to the matter at hand
and limiting submitted information to items for the processing of
which some bureau, agency or program is prepared.

BTW, xkcd 327 is perhaps the first case in which the (very young)
Winston Churchill anecdote has relevance:

Tutor: What is the vocative of mensa?

WC: When might I employ the vocative of mensa, Sir?

Tutor: Why, in addressing a table.

WC: I do not converse with tables.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On 13/02/2024 22:08, Mike Spencer wrote:
>
> BTW, xkcd 327 is perhaps the first case in which the (very young)
> Winston Churchill anecdote has relevance:
>
> Tutor: What is the vocative of mensa?
> WC: When might I employ the vocative of mensa, Sir?
> Tutor: Why, in addressing a table.
> WC: I do not converse with tables.
>
Ah but you may one day address Mensa.

--
Nev
It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
that so many people are unable to understand what I write.

On 14/02/2024 08:37, nev young wrote:
> On 13/02/2024 22:08, Mike Spencer wrote:
>>
>> BTW, xkcd 327 is perhaps the first case in which the (very young)
>> Winston Churchill anecdote has relevance:
>>
>> Tutor: What is the vocative of mensa?
>> WC:    When might I employ the vocative of mensa, Sir?
>> Tutor: Why, in addressing a table.
>> WC:    I do not converse with tables.
>>
> Ah but you may one day address Mensa.

Shakespeare should have paid more attention in his Latin lessons and
used the vocative case: "Et te, Brute!"

In article <l33qttFhtroU1@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
<mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 12:44:44 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 14/02/2024 08:37, nev young wrote:
>> On 13/02/2024 22:08, Mike Spencer wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW, xkcd 327 is perhaps the first case in which the (very young)
>>> Winston Churchill anecdote has relevance:
>>>
>>> Tutor: What is the vocative of mensa?
>>> WC:    When might I employ the vocative of mensa, Sir?
>>> Tutor: Why, in addressing a table.
>>> WC:    I do not converse with tables.
>>>
>> Ah but you may one day address Mensa.
>
>Shakespeare should have paid more attention in his Latin lessons and
>used the vocative case: "Et te, Brute!"

I thought he did, the text that I have is: "Et tu, Brute".
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 15/02/2024 10:24, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <l33qttFhtroU1@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
> <mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 12:44:44 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>> On 14/02/2024 08:37, nev young wrote:
>>> On 13/02/2024 22:08, Mike Spencer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> BTW, xkcd 327 is perhaps the first case in which the (very young)
>>>> Winston Churchill anecdote has relevance:
>>>>
>>>> Tutor: What is the vocative of mensa?
>>>> WC:    When might I employ the vocative of mensa, Sir?
>>>> Tutor: Why, in addressing a table.
>>>> WC:    I do not converse with tables.
>>>>
>>> Ah but you may one day address Mensa.
>>
>> Shakespeare should have paid more attention in his Latin lessons and
>> used the vocative case: "Et te, Brute!"
>
> I thought he did, the text that I have is: "Et tu, Brute".

So he didn't. The vocative for "tu" is "te" (vide supra).

Tease'n'Seize wrote:

>>> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
>>> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email
>
> And today the quote arrives, +62% compared last year, replacement policy
> found at +11% so far

Well, they've *all* been abtsrasd this year ... car, house, business
insewererers each tried to whack their prices up by at least half, all
summarily lost me as a customer.

On 28/03/2024 09:00, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>
>>>> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
>>>> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email
>>
>> And today the quote arrives, +62% compared last year, replacement
>> policy found at +11% so far
>
> Well, they've *all* been abtsrasd this year ... car, house, business
> insewererers each tried to whack their prices up by at least half, all
> summarily lost me as a customer.
>
>
When I moved a few weeks ago form one mooring to another about seven
miles away, I informed the car insurers. "No problem, sir, that will be
an extra five hundred quid. Plus an administration fee."

Unfortunately, they are the only insurers willing to cover the risk.
None of the local brokers even bothered ringing back. If you donlt klive
in bricks, they don't want to know. If I lived in a house and parked it
on the street, I'd be paying less than half what I pay now, and the car
is parked inside a securely locked area overnight, next to the boat, as
it has been for a long time now. Car crime here is less than 1% higher
than where I was, according to official figures, but that turns into a
50% increase in the risk, according to the insurers. It is now probably
cheaper to take a taxi than run the car. If I didn't need to travel 10
miles each way to get to work, I'd SORN the thing.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In article <52SdnSeYSdg9rJj7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid.?> on Thu, 28 Mar 2024 at
09:00:15 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>
>>>> InsCo have not yet sent my renewal quote, but have sent out a
>>>> pre-emptive "why prices have gone up" email
>>
>> And today the quote arrives, +62% compared last year, replacement policy
>> found at +11% so far
>
>Well, they've *all* been abtsrasd this year ... car, house, business
>insewererers each tried to whack their prices up by at least half, all
>summarily lost me as a customer.
>
>
Oddly, my buildings insurance was reduced by 10%? When I received the
renewal I fell over and had to remove a feather before I could get up.

--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"