On 11-Feb-24 14:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 13:36:50 +0000
> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> As an omnivore I often find vegan substitutes, tasteless, lacking in
>> mouth feel and unsatisfying.
>
> Attempting to imitate something else is rarely successful. The few
> counterexamples I know of are Greg's vegan sausage rolls (Aldi's aren't
> bad either), Denny meat-free sausages, Denny meat-free mince and Beyond
> burgers (strangely their mince[1] is dreadful) - the only difference in
> taste and mouth feel with these is that they are always perfect and meat
> almost never is. I'm told that Alpro's "Not Milk" is convincing but I have
> yet to try it. Oh and most vegan ice cream is OK but never as rich as the
> best dairy ice cream.
>
> [1] How is it that none of the imitation mince products are as good as the
> soya mince I used to buy to stretch the mince when I was a broke stewed
> ant. They got the texture right then, most of the current offerings get it
> badly wrong.
>
Re: Mince.
Even 'real' mince, in most prepared meals, has a terrible texture.
It isn't minced, it's puréed.

--
Sam Plusnet

Tim+ said:
> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>>> Because we all know that Jesus invented sell-by dates ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well they are often treated as gospel.
>>>>
>>>> Praise the Lord
>>>
>>> Inshallah.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>
>> Oh dear. "Religion" gets everywhere, dunnit.
>>
>> [fu2: bit-bucket]
>>
>
> FWIW, as a Pastafarian Inshallah is as meaningful to me as praise the lord.
> Both addressed to an imaginary being.
>
> Just trying to be inclusive.

All hail Discordia ...

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 2024-02-11, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why does it exist at all? Was it invented by a pancake manufacturer?
> Brian
>
It is a religious thing.
During lent, the 40 days befor easter, many foods should not be eaten
so the contents of these are used up on Shrove Tuesday, the last day
before Lent. In the UK we use them to make pancakes, some other
countries use a different menu.

>>
> Re: Mince.
> Even 'real' mince, in most prepared meals, has a terrible texture.
> It isn't minced, it's puréed.
>

SWMBO only allows Waitrose mince in the house, and I think she has a point.

Alternatively, if you are lucky enough to have a local butchers shop you
could ask about some coarse mince ?

Some "chefs" make their version of Ragu / Bolognese sauce with added
chicken liver. The liver is pan fried in butter and then beaten to a
sort of pulp using a potato masher.

Whether it improves the favour or not is debatable, but it must have
some effect on the texture.

On 12/02/2024 02:07, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Tim+ said:
>> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>>>> Because we all know that Jesus invented sell-by dates ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well they are often treated as gospel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Praise the Lord
>>>>
>>>> Inshallah.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Oh dear. "Religion" gets everywhere, dunnit.
>>>
>>> [fu2: bit-bucket]
>>>
>>
>> FWIW, as a Pastafarian Inshallah is as meaningful to me as praise the lord.
>> Both addressed to an imaginary being.
>>
>> Just trying to be inclusive.
>
> All hail Discordia ...
>
>
ITYM, Hail Eris?

Chris

On 2024-02-11, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 11/02/2024 13:11, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Why does it exist at all? Was it invented by a pancake manufacturer?
>> Brian
>>
> Originally, Shrove Tuesday was the last day of normal food before the
> Lent fast started. As a result it turned into a sort of party day, as it
> was the day before Ash Wednesday, which was the day you repented of your
> sins,sought forgivemess for them and started fasting until Easter, which
> happened 40 days later.
>
> Its dedication to pancakes seems to be only in this country.
>
Sort of. It's supposed to be the day you use up all of the perishable food
you won't be allowed during Lent. There are similar customs elsewhere.

--
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com
Wigan

On 2024-02-11, maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
> On 2024-02-11, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>> In article <919448900.729285011.085629.timdownieuk-yahoo.co.youkay@news.
>> individual.net>, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> on Sat, 10 Feb 2024
>> at 19:11:12 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <uq8b9e$38o0m$1@dont-email.me>, crn <crn@nospam.netunix.com>
>> give me the squits. What is there not to like?
>>
>> If you prefer dairy ice-cream that is fine by me. I keep dairy and dairy
>> free products in the larder and freezer although I suspect that my non-
>> European SWMBO may have some improvement in some of her asthma symptoms
>> if she stopped eating and drinking products with lactose in them.
>
> The problem with ice-cream is that they are allowed to mix up all sorts
> of s*** in it, a mild example is prossesed lard. Yougurt is purer. My
> veggie daughter arrived yesterday with non-dairy yougurt, which does not
> tell you what it is made of. Also vegetable soup, ditto. (I actually
> like vegetable soup, but that was flavoured with some sort of spice
> that is dangerously strong). Just got her gone and put some potatoes on.
> Heaven!

My objection to most ice-cream is that it's mostly fresh-air. Have you
noticed that it's always sold by volume and not by weight?

--
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com
Wigan

John Williamson wrote, though the Organization header says "":

>On 11/02/2024 13:11, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Why does it exist at all? Was it invented by a pancake manufacturer?
>> Brian
>>
>Originally, Shrove Tuesday was the last day of normal food before the
>Lent fast started. As a result it turned into a sort of party day, as it
>was the day before Ash Wednesday, which was the day you repented of your
>sins,sought forgivemess for them and started fasting until Easter, which
>happened 40 days later.
>
>Its dedication to pancakes seems to be only in this country.

Using up all your eggs before Lent, I have always assumed.
--
Ben

Ben Newsam said:
> John Williamson wrote, though the Organization header says "":
>
>>On 11/02/2024 13:11, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> Why does it exist at all? Was it invented by a pancake manufacturer?
>>> Brian
>>>
>>Originally, Shrove Tuesday was the last day of normal food before the
>>Lent fast started. As a result it turned into a sort of party day, as it
>>was the day before Ash Wednesday, which was the day you repented of your
>>sins,sought forgivemess for them and started fasting until Easter, which
>>happened 40 days later.
>>
>>Its dedication to pancakes seems to be only in this country.
>
> Using up all your eggs before Lent, I have always assumed.

Of all the people using up their eggs, I wonder how many of them observe
Lent ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

In article <uqda4l$1igc3$1@dont-email.me>, Richard Robinson
<richard@qualmograph.org.uk> on Mon, 12 Feb 2024 at 14:31:49 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Ben Newsam said:
>> John Williamson wrote, though the Organization header says "":
>>
>>>On 11/02/2024 13:11, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> Why does it exist at all? Was it invented by a pancake manufacturer?
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>Originally, Shrove Tuesday was the last day of normal food before the
>>>Lent fast started. As a result it turned into a sort of party day, as it
>>>was the day before Ash Wednesday, which was the day you repented of your
>>>sins,sought forgivemess for them and started fasting until Easter, which
>>>happened 40 days later.
>>>
>>>Its dedication to pancakes seems to be only in this country.
>>
>> Using up all your eggs before Lent, I have always assumed.
>
>Of all the people using up their eggs, I wonder how many of them observe
>Lent ?
>
Why would I? Pancakes are nice, so I'll probably have some more on
Wednesday. I'll not be greedy so I'll pass them up on Thursday.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

> Sn!pe wrote:
> >> It isn't by coincidence that a certain well-known sossidge manufacturer
>> also makes "ice cream". Whip up some pig fat with sugar and a little
>> flavouring and it's fit to have a flake shoved into it.

I disgoove it's because their ice-cream contain whizzed up bits of
pinky&perky, rather that that the suppliers of "whey solids" can't
guarantee that it's 100% rennet free.

> The get-out clause IIRC is "contains non-milk fat"

I wouldn't have though that phrase would cut it nowadays, they'd have to
say "animal fats"? The Ice Cream Regulations 1967 mention vegetable
fats, but not animal fats.

Maybe "refined" is their get-out clause?

<https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/1499/schedule/3/made?view=plain#tgp1-tbl1-tbd1-tr6-tc1>

e.g.

<https://www.wallsicecream.com/uk/p/wall%27s-soft-scoop-vanilla-1800ml.html/08712566291144>

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:31:49 -0000 (UTC), Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
> Ben Newsam said:
>>
>> Using up all your eggs before Lent, I have always assumed.
>
> Of all the people using up their eggs, I wonder how many of them observe
> Lent ?

Fresh eggs should still be edible by Easter. As the
chickens are heathens they no doubt keep laying through Lent, so
when Easter rolls around, you could make a massive omelet. or a
ton of Yorkshire pudding.

My dad had a papist partner who gave up drinking water
for Lent.

--
"That they’re an armed, racist gang." - Moxie Marlinspike,
Rolling Stone July 31 2016 About the Police

In article <slrnusmljp.onlr.julian@n6are.com>, Julian Macassey
<julian@n6are.com> on Tue, 13 Feb 2024 at 11:46:01 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
>On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:31:49 -0000 (UTC), Richard Robinson
><richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
>> Ben Newsam said:
>>>
>>> Using up all your eggs before Lent, I have always assumed.
>>
>> Of all the people using up their eggs, I wonder how many of them observe
>> Lent ?
>
> Fresh eggs should still be edible by Easter. As the
>chickens are heathens they no doubt keep laying through Lent, so
>when Easter rolls around, you could make a massive omelet. or a
>ton of Yorkshire pudding.
>
> My dad had a papist partner who gave up drinking water
>for Lent.
>
My left footer SWMBO does not appear to give up anything for Lent. As I
do the cooking I think I would know.

She certainly would not use whisky as a substitute for water!
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Richard Robinson wrote:

> Of all the people using up their eggs, I wonder how many of them observe
> Lent ?

I think I might have a 40 day period of cutting down a bit, that just
happens to coincide with Lent ...

Nicholas D. Richards said:
> In article <slrnusmljp.onlr.julian@n6are.com>, Julian Macassey
>>On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:31:49 -0000 (UTC), Richard Robinson
>>> Ben Newsam said:
>>>>
>>>> Using up all your eggs before Lent, I have always assumed.
>>>
>>> Of all the people using up their eggs, I wonder how many of them observe
>>> Lent ?
>>
>> Fresh eggs should still be edible by Easter. As the
>>chickens are heathens they no doubt keep laying through Lent, so
>>when Easter rolls around, you could make a massive omelet. or a
>>ton of Yorkshire pudding.

Or throw them at lots of politicians ?

>> My dad had a papist partner who gave up drinking water
>>for Lent.
>>
> My left footer SWMBO does not appear to give up anything for Lent. As I
> do the cooking I think I would know.
>
> She certainly would not use whisky as a substitute for water!

It'd probably make an onelette taste odd.

Crepe MacSuzette, thobut ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in news:k5GdnaejjYuh-
1b4nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:

> Richard Robinson wrote:
>
>> Of all the people using up their eggs, I wonder how many of them observe
>> Lent ?
>
> I think I might have a 40 day period of cutting down a bit, that just
> happens to coincide with Lent ...

SWMBO gives up chocolate, but insists that it is "during" lent, not "for"
lent.

--
Peter
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