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 by: Dave Jackson - Sat, 14 May 2022 19:45 UTC

On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
> any one else
> traveled on a first generation tramway

Liverpool. (Also went on the Overhead a few times...)

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 by: Dave Jackson - Sat, 14 May 2022 19:48 UTC

On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.

I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.

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 by: Certes - Sat, 14 May 2022 20:59 UTC

On 14/05/2022 08:28, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <t5mj1h$19m$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:36:49 on Fri, 13 May
> 2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>
>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>>> platform on
>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>  I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but
>>> from  photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to
>>> happen -  either for blind people doing what the correspondent did
>>> (he walked a  few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter
>>> the tunnel wall to  use as a reference), or for sighted people when
>>> there was a very large  crowd on the platform and a train arrives,
>>> disgorges its passengers and  everyone backs away to make room for
>>> them...
>>>  I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible
>>> width  of an island platform.
>>
>> I used Angel in those days.  It didn't seem too scary for the regulars
>> who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening.
>
> Are such accidents not recorded as statistics somewhere?
>
> iirc Various posters round the tube from time to time suggest the most
> frequent accidents are people falling down escalators.

Escalators were never a problem at Angel! If you were lucky, a lift was
working, otherwise it was a long climb up the spiral staircase from
one of the deepest stations on the network.

I do remember the insistent grippers as shown in that film. They never
would let me out with a cross-London rail ticket (not sure if they had a
Maltese cross in those days) but insisted on receiving their 50p.

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 by: NY - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16 UTC

"Certes" <none@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> I do remember the insistent grippers as shown in that film. They never
> would let me out with a cross-London rail ticket (not sure if they had a
> Maltese cross in those days) but insisted on receiving their 50p.

I never understood the logic of that rule being enforced. Who loses if a
passenger going from (for example) Kings Cross to Waterloo decides to break
their journey at an intermediate station to do some sight-seeing or
shopping, and then resumes their terminus-to-terminus journey from the same
or another station? Similarly for Network Rail where you are not (if the
gripper is being awkward) allowed to leave and re-enter a station along the
journey for which you hold a ticket. It is not depriving the rail company of
a fare - though it *is* depriving them of the ability to charge you *extra*
;-)

I heard of one gripper who got very shirty when a chap I knew had some
documents that he wanted to hand over to a colleague at an intermediate
station. The colleague came to the ticket barrier and the document was
handed over the barrier without either person crossing it (and incurring a
ticketing surcharge or paying for a platform ticket). Gripper was *not*
amused, and by all accounts was utterly and abjectly pissed off that he
couldn't find anything in his rule book which prohibited it ;-) I regard
grippers in the same light as I do tax collectors, traffic wardens and
makers of speed cameras - necessary, but not a job that I would do on moral
grounds because I like to enable rather than to prohibit.

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 by: Nobody - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:55 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
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>On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>
>I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.

Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...

All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.

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 by: Christopher A. Lee - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:16 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 09:28:54 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <t5nn6q$lb3$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:54:02 on Sat, 14 May
>2022, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lew
>>>>> Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>>
>>>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>>>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either
>>>> for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a few steps
>>>> away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to use as a
>>>> reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large crowd on the
>>>> platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and everyone backs
>>>> away to make room for them...
>>>>
>>>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width of
>>>> an island platform.
>>>>
>>> I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it
>>>closed for rebuilding in 1977, most if not all platforms were
>>>similar in being fairly narrow Island. platforms. How did people in
>>>those days cope or were such casualties just accepted ?
>
>>> Though I have traveled on it since I cannot recall if all of the Island.
>>> platforms were replaced in the rebuilding or if some remain .
>
>>> * Actually I’m old enough to recall a few rides on Glasgow trams
>>>in the City when taken there for that reason when young. Most of the
>>>contributors to this group are mature in years, any one else traveled
>>>on a first generation tramway not including Blackpool? I suspect we
>>>are rarer than those who can remember catching a steam powered train
>>>as a normal event.
>>
>>I travelled on a London tram but have no memory of it. I do remember
>>seeing one though.

I remember riding the trams through the Kingsway tunnel - my old man
used to take me to the Imperial War Museum, and afterwards we'd go to
The Cut (Lambeth Street Market) to buy something for my mother. We'd
get the tram back as far as Holborn and change to the Pickledwilly
line and get back to Harrow via Rayner's Lane.

>I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.

Our nearest trolley buses ran along the Harrow Road from Sudbury
roundabout to Paddington Green. For some reason, they didn't run on
Sundays and the 18 bus was extended to London Bridge, including the
trolley bus section.

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 by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:17 UTC

On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>
>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>> platform on
>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>
>>> Lew
>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>
> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen -
> either for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a
> few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall to
> use as a reference), or for sighted people when there was a very large
> crowd on the platform and a train arrives, disgorges its passengers and
> everyone backs away to make room for them...
>
> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible width
> of an island platform.

Are there thus plans for the Claphams?

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 by: Christopher A. Lee - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:19 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:45:15 +0100, Dave Jackson
<dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:

>On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
>> any one else
>> traveled on a first generation tramway

Me - London and Leeds.

>Liverpool. (Also went on the Overhead a few times...)

I'm envious.

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 by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:19 UTC

On 13/05/2022 22:36, Certes wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>
>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>> platform on
>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>
>> I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from
>> photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen -
>> either for blind people doing what the correspondent did (he walked a
>> few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter the tunnel wall
>> to use as a reference), or for sighted people when there was a very
>> large crowd on the platform and a train arrives, disgorges its
>> passengers and everyone backs away to make room for them...
>>
>> I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible
>> width of an island platform.
>
> I used Angel in those days.  It didn't seem too scary for the regulars
> who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening.
> The platform does look very narrow about 50 seconds into this 1989 BBC
> documentary:
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0074tkn/40-minutes-heart-of-the-angel>
>

A few island-platform stations on the Paris Metro are also quite narrow.
I know that one of them is in LeVallois-Perret.

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 by: Marland - Sun, 15 May 2022 00:06 UTC

Dave Jackson <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 22:59, Marland wrote:
>> any one else
>> traveled on a first generation tramway
>
> Liverpool. (Also went on the Overhead a few times...)
>

Now that is something I would like to have done, thought at least I managed
to achieve a long held desire to travel on the Chicago one last week while
visiting a cousin who moved near there in her early twenties after marrying
someone from the city.
Her husband who is proud of of being from the City was unaware though of
the link between the early EL lines and the development of the London
Underground via the financier Charles Tyson Yerkes .

GH

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Sun, 15 May 2022 01:32 UTC

Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>>
>> I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.
>
> Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...
>
> All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.
>

If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are several
options rather closer to home!

(Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?)

(For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the UK are
excluded from this contest)

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Roland Perry - Sun, 15 May 2022 05:12 UTC

In message <t5p585$tk1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:59:48 on Sat, 14 May
2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>On 14/05/2022 08:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <t5mj1h$19m$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:36:49 on Fri, 13 May
>>2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>>> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message news:t5m2hq$iae$1
>>>>@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>>>>platform on
>>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>>  I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but
>>>>from  photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to
>>>>happen -  either for blind people doing what the correspondent did
>>>>(he walked a  few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter
>>>>the tunnel wall to  use as a reference), or for sighted people when
>>>>there was a very large  crowd on the platform and a train arrives,
>>>>disgorges its passengers and  everyone backs away to make room for
>>>>them...
>>>>  I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible
>>>>width  of an island platform.
>>>
>>> I used Angel in those days.  It didn't seem too scary for the regulars
>>> who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening.
>> Are such accidents not recorded as statistics somewhere?
>> iirc Various posters round the tube from time to time suggest the
>>most frequent accidents are people falling down escalators.
>
>Escalators were never a problem at Angel! If you were lucky, a lift was
>working, otherwise it was a long climb up the spiral staircase from
>one of the deepest stations on the network.

I wonder if the main escalator at re-built Angel is still a record-
holder?

<https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/3d-maps-of-every-underground-
station-ab-14630/>

You can see the old lift-shaft thre, and it used to be possible to get a
tour of the disused parts of the station (both the old ticket hall and
the now-abandoned sections of northbound tunnel). During the re-build
the entrance and ticket hall were moved quite some distance round the
corner.

>I do remember the insistent grippers as shown in that film. They never
>would let me out with a cross-London rail ticket (not sure if they had a
>Maltese cross in those days) but insisted on receiving their 50p.

It's not a valid Maltese Cross station, surely?
--
Roland Perry

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t5p585$tk1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:59:48 on Sat, 14 May
> 2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>> On 14/05/2022 08:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <t5mj1h$19m$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:36:49 on Fri, 13 May
>>> 2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>>>> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>>>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message news:t5m2hq$iae$1
>>>>> @gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>>>>> platform on
>>>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>>>  I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but
>>>>> from  photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to
>>>>> happen -  either for blind people doing what the correspondent did
>>>>> (he walked a  few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter
>>>>> the tunnel wall to  use as a reference), or for sighted people when
>>>>> there was a very large  crowd on the platform and a train arrives,
>>>>> disgorges its passengers and  everyone backs away to make room for
>>>>> them...
>>>>>  I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible
>>>>> width  of an island platform.
>>>>
>>>> I used Angel in those days.  It didn't seem too scary for the regulars
>>>> who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening.
>>> Are such accidents not recorded as statistics somewhere?
>>> iirc Various posters round the tube from time to time suggest the
>>> most frequent accidents are people falling down escalators.
>>
>> Escalators were never a problem at Angel! If you were lucky, a lift was
>> working, otherwise it was a long climb up the spiral staircase from
>> one of the deepest stations on the network.
>
> I wonder if the main escalator at re-built Angel is still a record-
> holder?
>
> <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/3d-maps-of-every-underground-
> station-ab-14630/>
>
> You can see the old lift-shaft thre, and it used to be possible to get a
> tour of the disused parts of the station (both the old ticket hall and
> the now-abandoned sections of northbound tunnel). During the re-build
> the entrance and ticket hall were moved quite some distance round the
> corner.
>
>> I do remember the insistent grippers as shown in that film. They never
>> would let me out with a cross-London rail ticket (not sure if they had a
>> Maltese cross in those days) but insisted on receiving their 50p.
>
> It's not a valid Maltese Cross station, surely?

I thought you could leave at any station on a valid route between your two
mainline stations, but not re-enter?

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Roland Perry - Sun, 15 May 2022 05:18 UTC

In message <t5p675$4ri$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:16:13 on Sat, 14 May
2022, NY <me@privacy.invalid> remarked:
>"Certes" <none@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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>> I do remember the insistent grippers as shown in that film. They never
>> would let me out with a cross-London rail ticket (not sure if they had a
>> Maltese cross in those days) but insisted on receiving their 50p.
>
>I never understood the logic of that rule being enforced. Who loses if
>a passenger going from (for example) Kings Cross to Waterloo decides to
>break their journey at an intermediate station to do some sight-seeing
>or shopping, and then resumes their terminus-to-terminus journey from
>the same or another station?

Because the extra opportunity comes with a cost.

>Similarly for Network Rail where you are not (if the gripper is being
>awkward) allowed to leave and re-enter a station along the journey for
>which you hold a ticket. It is not depriving the rail company of a fare
>- though it *is* depriving them of the ability to charge you *extra* ;-)

That one's not primarily to prevent people ravelling through from having
an excursion outside, but to close various fares loopholes if you allow
people to start/resume a journey other than at one of the ticketed
end-stations. Although they are more relaxed about this now, and most
tickets officially permitted to have a 'Break of Journey'.

>I heard of one gripper who got very shirty when a chap I knew had some
>documents that he wanted to hand over to a colleague at an intermediate
>station. The colleague came to the ticket barrier and the document was
>handed over the barrier without either person crossing it (and
>incurring a ticketing surcharge or paying for a platform ticket).
>Gripper was *not* amused, and by all accounts was utterly and abjectly
>pissed off that he couldn't find anything in his rule book which
>prohibited it ;-) I regard grippers in the same light as I do tax
>collectors, traffic wardens and makers of speed cameras - necessary,
>but not a job that I would do on moral grounds because I like to enable
>rather than to prohibit.

Tax collectors enable the treasury to have money to spend, traffic
wardens enable a turnover of parked cars so everyone gets a chance (as
well as enabling a freer and safer flow of traffic away from parking
bays), and speed cameras enable law-abiding motorists to have safer
roads to use.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Sun, 15 May 2022 05:32 UTC

In message <t5pl73$u5e$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:32:19 on Sun, 15 May
2022, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>>>
>>> I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.
>>
>> Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...
>>
>> All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.
>>
>
>If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are several
>options rather closer to home!
>
>(Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?)
>
>(For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the UK are
>excluded from this contest)

Not the closest, but Geneva is full of them.

Looking it up, it could be Solingen in Germany, 250 miles as the crow
flies.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Sun, 15 May 2022 05:35 UTC

In message <t5q2t3$7d8$1@dont-email.me>, at 05:25:55 on Sun, 15 May
2022, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <t5p585$tk1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:59:48 on Sat, 14 May
>> 2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>>> On 14/05/2022 08:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <t5mj1h$19m$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:36:49 on Fri, 13 May
>>>> 2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>>>>> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>>>>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message news:t5m2hq$iae$1
>>>>>> @gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>>>>>> platform on
>>>>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>>>>  I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but
>>>>>> from  photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to
>>>>>> happen -  either for blind people doing what the correspondent did
>>>>>> (he walked a  few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter
>>>>>> the tunnel wall to  use as a reference), or for sighted people when
>>>>>> there was a very large  crowd on the platform and a train arrives,
>>>>>> disgorges its passengers and  everyone backs away to make room for
>>>>>> them...
>>>>>>  I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible
>>>>>> width  of an island platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used Angel in those days.  It didn't seem too scary for the regulars
>>>>> who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening.
>>>> Are such accidents not recorded as statistics somewhere?
>>>> iirc Various posters round the tube from time to time suggest the
>>>> most frequent accidents are people falling down escalators.
>>>
>>> Escalators were never a problem at Angel! If you were lucky, a lift was
>>> working, otherwise it was a long climb up the spiral staircase from
>>> one of the deepest stations on the network.
>>
>> I wonder if the main escalator at re-built Angel is still a record-
>> holder?
>>
>> <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/3d-maps-of-every-underground-
>> station-ab-14630/>
>>
>> You can see the old lift-shaft thre, and it used to be possible to get a
>> tour of the disused parts of the station (both the old ticket hall and
>> the now-abandoned sections of northbound tunnel). During the re-build
>> the entrance and ticket hall were moved quite some distance round the
>> corner.
>>
>>> I do remember the insistent grippers as shown in that film. They never
>>> would let me out with a cross-London rail ticket (not sure if they had a
>>> Maltese cross in those days) but insisted on receiving their 50p.
>>
>> It's not a valid Maltese Cross station, surely?
>
>I thought you could leave at any station on a valid route between your two
>mainline stations, but not re-enter?

On refection, yes.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Sun, 15 May 2022 05:54 UTC

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t5pl73$u5e$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:32:19 on Sun, 15 May
> 2022, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>>>>
>>>> I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.
>>>
>>> Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...
>>>
>>> All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.
>>>
>>
>> If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are several
>> options rather closer to home!
>>
>> (Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?)
>>
>> (For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the UK are
>> excluded from this contest)
>
> Not the closest, but Geneva is full of them.
>
> Looking it up, it could be Solingen in Germany, 250 miles as the crow
> flies.

<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus_usage_by_country> has a list by
European country; Arnhem seems to be closest, followed by uk.r favourite
outlier, Bergen.

(I'm presuming straight-line distance from UK coastline, which admittedly
is not a very useful measure in terms of 'easiest to visit'!)

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Roland Perry - Sun, 15 May 2022 07:07 UTC

In message <t5q4j1$ube$1@dont-email.me>, at 05:54:41 on Sun, 15 May
2022, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <t5pl73$u5e$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:32:19 on Sun, 15 May
>> 2022, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
>>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>>>>>
>>>>> I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.
>>>>
>>>> Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...
>>>>
>>>> All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are several
>>> options rather closer to home!
>>>
>>> (Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?)
>>>
>>> (For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the UK are
>>> excluded from this contest)
>>
>> Not the closest, but Geneva is full of them.
>>
>> Looking it up, it could be Solingen in Germany, 250 miles as the crow
>> flies.
>
><https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus_usage_by_country> has a list by
>European country; Arnhem seems to be closest,

That's closer than mine,

>followed by uk.r favourite outlier, Bergen.

But that's further than NW Germany (three systems) unless you are
counting The Shetlands as the starting point, not the mainland.

>(I'm presuming straight-line distance from UK coastline, which admittedly
>is not a very useful measure in terms of 'easiest to visit'!)

Indeed, and I'd put Geneva maybe at the top of that list.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Graeme Wall - Sun, 15 May 2022 07:31 UTC

On 15/05/2022 02:32, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>>>
>>> I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.
>>
>> Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...
>>
>> All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.
>>
>
> If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are several
> options rather closer to home!
>
> (Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?)
>
> (For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the UK are
> excluded from this contest)
>

Lyon? Then there's Geneva which Roland has visited.

--
Graeme Wall
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Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>>>
>>> I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.
>>
>> Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...
>>
>> All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.
>>
>
> If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are several
> options rather closer to home!
>
> (Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?)
>
> (For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the UK are
> excluded from this contest)
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
>

I think I read somewhere that the small system in Arnhem ,Netherlands was
the nearest to the UK
in terms of distance. whether it is the easiest or quickest to reach would
need further exploration.
What I found when coming across Trolley buses abroad is that no way did
they rekindle memories
of the systems seen as a youngster in the UK, our wiring liberally used
heavy components from the catalogue of Ohio brass and other suppliers which
gave a distinctive look.
Modern or surviving systems seem to have switched to much lighter
components.

GH

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 by: Roland Perry - Sun, 15 May 2022 09:54 UTC

In message <jebtvmF98rrU1@mid.individual.net>, at 09:03:50 on Sun, 15
May 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>>>>
>>>> I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.
>>>
>>> Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...
>>>
>>> All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.
>>>
>>
>> If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are several
>> options rather closer to home!
>>
>> (Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?)
>>
>> (For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the UK are
>> excluded from this contest)
>
>I think I read somewhere that the small system in Arnhem ,Netherlands
>was the nearest to the UK in terms of distance. whether it is the
>easiest or quickest to reach would need further exploration.

It's a little over an hour by train from Schiphol, so Geneva's trolley
buses would be quicker to get to.

>What I found when coming across Trolley buses abroad is that no way did
>they rekindle memories of the systems seen as a youngster in the UK,
>our wiring liberally used heavy components from the catalogue of Ohio
>brass and other suppliers which gave a distinctive look. Modern or
>surviving systems seem to have switched to much lighter components.

--
Roland Perry

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 by: ColinR - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:35 UTC

On 15/05/2022 08:07, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <t5q4j1$ube$1@dont-email.me>, at 05:54:41 on Sun, 15 May
> 2022, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <t5pl73$u5e$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:32:19 on Sun, 15 May
>>> 2022, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
>>>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth,
>>>>>> early 50s.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...
>>>>>
>>>>> All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are
>>>> several
>>>> options rather closer to home!
>>>>
>>>> (Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?)
>>>>
>>>> (For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the
>>>> UK are
>>>> excluded from this contest)
>>>
>>> Not the closest, but Geneva is full of them.
>>>
>>> Looking it up, it could be Solingen in Germany, 250 miles as the crow
>>> flies.
>>
>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus_usage_by_country> has a
>> list by
>> European country; Arnhem seems to be closest,
>
> That's closer than mine,
>
>> followed by uk.r favourite outlier, Bergen.
>
> But that's further than NW Germany (three systems) unless you are
> counting The Shetlands as the starting point, not the mainland.
>

Yep, direct flights between Sumburgh and Bergen in the summer months!

--
Colin

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 by: Certes - Sun, 15 May 2022 11:29 UTC

On 15/05/2022 06:25, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <t5p585$tk1$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:59:48 on Sat, 14 May
>> 2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>>> On 14/05/2022 08:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <t5mj1h$19m$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:36:49 on Fri, 13 May
>>>> 2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>>>>> On 13/05/2022 22:04, NY wrote:
>>>>>> "invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message news:t5m2hq$iae$1
>>>>>> @gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> On 13/05/2022 15:38, Lew 1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some harrowing stories in this article:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island
>>>>>>>> platform on
>>>>>>>> the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>>>  Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.
>>>>>>  I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but
>>>>>> from  photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to
>>>>>> happen -  either for blind people doing what the correspondent did
>>>>>> (he walked a  few steps away from the train, expecting to encounter
>>>>>> the tunnel wall to  use as a reference), or for sighted people when
>>>>>> there was a very large  crowd on the platform and a train arrives,
>>>>>> disgorges its passengers and  everyone backs away to make room for
>>>>>> them...
>>>>>>  I imagine nowadays there are standard for the minimum permissible
>>>>>> width  of an island platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used Angel in those days.  It didn't seem too scary for the regulars
>>>>> who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening.
>>>> Are such accidents not recorded as statistics somewhere?
>>>> iirc Various posters round the tube from time to time suggest the
>>>> most frequent accidents are people falling down escalators.
>>>
>>> Escalators were never a problem at Angel! If you were lucky, a lift was
>>> working, otherwise it was a long climb up the spiral staircase from
>>> one of the deepest stations on the network.
>>
>> I wonder if the main escalator at re-built Angel is still a record-
>> holder?
>>
>> <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/3d-maps-of-every-underground-
>> station-ab-14630/>
>>
>> You can see the old lift-shaft thre, and it used to be possible to get a
>> tour of the disused parts of the station (both the old ticket hall and
>> the now-abandoned sections of northbound tunnel). During the re-build
>> the entrance and ticket hall were moved quite some distance round the
>> corner.
>>
>>> I do remember the insistent grippers as shown in that film. They never
>>> would let me out with a cross-London rail ticket (not sure if they had a
>>> Maltese cross in those days) but insisted on receiving their 50p.
>>
>> It's not a valid Maltese Cross station, surely?
>
> I thought you could leave at any station on a valid route between your two
> mainline stations, but not re-enter?

Yes, that's exactly what I was attempting to do, but never got away with
it. Some days, I would get a cheap ticket from my home to far-away,
break my journey at Angel to do a day's work, then hop on a bus to an
appropriate mainline station to continue (or walk to King's Cross).

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Sun, 15 May 2022 11:40 UTC

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <jebtvmF98rrU1@mid.individual.net>, at 09:03:50 on Sun, 15
> May 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:48:03 +0100, Dave Jackson
>>>> <dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/05/2022 09:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.
>>>>>
>>>>> I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.
>>>>
>>>> Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then...
>>>>
>>>> All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are several
>>> options rather closer to home!
>>>
>>> (Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?)
>>>
>>> (For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the UK are
>>> excluded from this contest)
>>
>> I think I read somewhere that the small system in Arnhem ,Netherlands
>> was the nearest to the UK in terms of distance. whether it is the
>> easiest or quickest to reach would need further exploration.
>
> It's a little over an hour by train from Schiphol, so Geneva's trolley
> buses would be quicker to get to.
>

If we're assuming flying from London, I guess so (30 min longer flight but
zero onward travel time). Geneva's trolleybuses serve the airport IIRC,
where the other likely candidates are going to be a public transport ride
away from the airport to find them.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Sun, 15 May 2022 11:40 UTC

Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I think I read somewhere that the small system in Arnhem ,Netherlands was
> the nearest to the UK
> in terms of distance. whether it is the easiest or quickest to reach would
> need further exploration.
> What I found when coming across Trolley buses abroad is that no way did
> they rekindle memories
> of the systems seen as a youngster in the UK, our wiring liberally used
> heavy components from the catalogue of Ohio brass and other suppliers which
> gave a distinctive look.
> Modern or surviving systems seem to have switched to much lighter
> components.
>

Cheaper, and easier to maintain as well. Tramways have made similar
transition.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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