In article <snl54e$lpt$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
wrote:
> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> > In article <598ff05081noise@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> > <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> >> In article <snit45$n3n$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> >
> >>> And of course windless periods very inconveniently often coincide
> >>> with very cold weather!
> >
> >> Which may come with clear skies. :-)
> >
> > Which here, at the moment, have 13 hours of darkness.
> >

> And a low sun angle even at noon.

OTOH hand given a range of over 25 deg W-E not all of it is dark all of
that 13 hours. And cold clear air tends to transmit the light with lower
loss. So a number of factors are involved here.

And I've already seen suggestions that instead of poking 'carbon capture'
back into the holes the gas came out of we could perhaps use wind, etc,
during summers to generate gas to put back into them for the winters.

The experience of the North Sea is that what seemed 'impossible' beforehand
became the norm later on.

Jim

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On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 09:01:43 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>tony sayer wrote:
>
>> If Boris and co have any sense they'll do well to keep the coal stations
>> operable for a while yet as unfashionable as that that may be!
>
>The UK has already "phased down coal" haven't we?
>
>Let the rest of the world catch-up to that COP goal before we continue to "phase
>out coal"

We should really be talking about "phasing down" the population level.
Everything else is just a symptom of that. As long as we put all our
efforts into dealing with the symptoms and not the cause, we'll be on
a hiding to nothing forever.

Rod.

In article <snks95$sus$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
<jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 13:54, tony sayer wrote:

> > Have a look at this site over time...
> >
> > https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/1000hPa/orthographic
> > =-0.73,50.04,1792/loc=5.752,48.142

> That's an interesting site. I changed the display to show WPD to give an
> idea of the power output of the wind around the UK. Unfortunately, at
> the sort of wind speeds we often see it's very much towards the
> left-hand side of the scale, and the colour shown in the North Sea
> didn't seem to match anything on the scale. Any idea if there's any way
> of stretching the LH side of the scale?

I looked at the page as presented by the URL above. It is interesting. But
I couldn't find a way to change the date/time for which data was shown, or
do any kind of integration. Is that possible? I guess the "1000hPa" may be
used to mean 'sea level' so perhaps changing that will show the wind at
various pressure levels (heights asl). But the apparent on-plot controls I
saw seem a but limited. Maybe I missed something?

Jim

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In article <snmfqm$n8t$1@dont-email.me>, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:
> > Surly good olde Bonnie Scotland doesn't want to go back to pre union
> > times now does it;?,....

> Probably, most polls that I've seen recently seem to hover around
> somewhere over 50% in favour.

Yes. Perhaps people 'down south' haven't really noticed that we have a
Scots Nats + Green Scottish Government *despite* the election system here
having been setup by Westminster to make it almost impossible for the Scots
Nats to gain a majority.

Hint: Politics in Scotland is *very* different to in England. But you may
have to live here to realise that as the 'national' (i.e. UK) press don't
say much about it. Or that many 'national' (UK again) newspapers run quite
different editions here to England.

One interesting point about living in Scotland is that we get to see both
'parts' of the media, whereas people in England probably never know when
the papers here look different to there, and report different things in a
different way.

So, yes, I'd say that there is a real possibility of another IndyRef
returning a 'Yes'... if the Westminster Government allow one. They resist
for a reason that should be obvious from the above. But refusing may wel
simply increase the wish in Scotland to be rid of Westminster.

We live in interesting times.

Jim

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In article <40da878d-f49c-e767-66cb-71a656fb6ff5@outlook.com>, Robin
<rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 10:08, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > In article <28S+hLVtbXnhFwTN@bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
> > <tony@bancom.co.uk>

> >> And lets hope they get a bloody chivvy on with it!...
> >
> > Yes, fusion has vastly more potential than fission.
> >

> as was said by contemporaries who went off to work on fusion in the
> early 1970s. I still don't know if they really meant "potential to give
> us jobs for life".

Well, the people I designed and built plasma diagnostics measurement
systems for at JET year ago now work for private ventures making small
machines that investors expect to see a return on in a modest timescale. So
things may be moving away from the old "always 50 years away". Not my
field, though, so I can only assume that looks promising.

Jim

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In article <1xmuieW+tqnhFwCA@bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
<tony@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:
> >Your concern for the 'UK' may hinge on if Scotland becomes independent
> >or not.* :-) cf my previous posting about the error of assuming wind
> >power is land based. It is *already* significantly sea based, and it
> >does tend to be a tad windy in some of those places.

> Surly good olde Bonnie Scotland doesn't want to go back to pre union
> times now does it;?,....

Increasingly, yes. And the reasons for it seem to be becoming more
attractive as time passes. No idea if it will come to pass. But I suspect
any IndyRef2 in the near future might well yeild a 'Yes'.

> >
> >BTW There is also the detail that quite often when the 'surface' winds
> >are low, at modest altitudes the wind is still blowing. And yes,
> >engineers are already working on this.

> Just how high are they talking about?...

Some projects are looking at a 'teathered kite' approach so as to get wind
power from high altitude winds. Like a kite you wind them up/down as
conditions change.

Add to that, a lot of Scotland has, erm, 'hills', like Munroes, etc. Tends
to be windier up there than 'down south'.

Jim

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On 25/11/2021 10:34, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> One interesting point about living in Scotland is that we get to see both
> 'parts' of the media, whereas people in England probably never know when
> the papers here look different to there, and report different things in a
> different way.

I don't think it is that certain, SNP people seem to only mix with other
SNP people so overestimate their popularity when in practice many hate
the SNP.

I think electoral system was set up to avoid any one party getting too
much power with the expectation that Labour might have continued to be
the main party otherwise but corruption destroyed them.

SNP could easily go the same way with the number of cases of corruption
in recent years though the Scottish media turn a blind eye to it.

On 25/11/2021 10:17, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <snks95$sus$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 13:54, tony sayer wrote:
>
>>> Have a look at this site over time...
>>>
>>> https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/1000hPa/orthographic
>>> =-0.73,50.04,1792/loc=5.752,48.142
>
>> That's an interesting site. I changed the display to show WPD to give an
>> idea of the power output of the wind around the UK. Unfortunately, at
>> the sort of wind speeds we often see it's very much towards the
>> left-hand side of the scale, and the colour shown in the North Sea
>> didn't seem to match anything on the scale. Any idea if there's any way
>> of stretching the LH side of the scale?
>
>
> I looked at the page as presented by the URL above. It is interesting. But
> I couldn't find a way to change the date/time for which data was shown, or
> do any kind of integration. Is that possible? I guess the "1000hPa" may be
> used to mean 'sea level' so perhaps changing that will show the wind at
> various pressure levels (heights asl). But the apparent on-plot controls I
> saw seem a but limited. Maybe I missed something?

You can change the date by clicking on the "Earth" at bottom left, and
in the popup which appears use the "Control" line "Date" to change the
date to what you want. Or you can click on a double chevron to go
back/forward 8 hours, or a single chevron to go forward/back one hour. I
don't understand what you mean by doing any kind of integration. If you
click on the settings icon at bottom right in the popup, you get another
popup with "Interpolation" in it, but you can only select "bitlinear" or
"nearest" if that's what you meant.

--

Jeff

On 25/11/2021 17:58, MB wrote:
>
> I don't think it is that certain, SNP people seem to only mix with other
> SNP people so overestimate their popularity when in practice many hate
> the SNP.
>
> I think electoral system was set up to avoid any one party getting too
> much power with the expectation that Labour might have continued to be
> the main party otherwise but corruption destroyed them.
>
> SNP could easily go the same way with the number of cases of corruption
> in recent years though the Scottish media turn a blind eye to it.

You are for ever misrepresenting the SNP here, and it's obvious that,
just as with Brexshit, you have a deep personal bias. Just going by the
facts, most of the poll results I've seen recently until today come out
in favour of independence and the SNP remains by far Scotland's most
supported political party. Today, it's true, there was a headline in
the Scottish Times ...

"Sturgeon plummets in ratings"

.... but reading the actual article we find:

"The latest survey gives here a ranking of +12, the only Scottish party
leader to achieve a positive rating."

.... and ...

"The constitutional question remains on a knife edge, but unionists have
maintained[*] a slim lead with virtually no movement compared with
YouGov's last survey in May."

.... while ...

"The UK and Scottish leaders of both the Conservative and the Labour
Party [sic] have all sunk to record lows in voters' estimation."

* I would question the word 'maintained' as I can't find any of their
polls in May that states Unionists were slightly in the lead then:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/issue/Voting_Intention?content=surveys

However, while looking for it, I did find consistently ...

SNP gained as many or more, usually the latter, intentions to vote for
them as all the other parties in Scotland added together.

Keir Starmer considered better potential PM than Johnson.

Approximately 3 times as many thought that Brexit had been handled badly
as well, and double the number thought we were wrong to leave as right.

Which basically completely demolishes all your known bigotries about
what people think anywhere in the UK, not just Scotland.

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In article <snoiso$uct$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 10:34, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > One interesting point about living in Scotland is that we get to see
> > both 'parts' of the media, whereas people in England probably never
> > know when the papers here look different to there, and report
> > different things in a different way.

> I don't think it is that certain, SNP people seem to only mix with other
> SNP people so overestimate their popularity when in practice many hate
> the SNP.

Not sure which part of the bit you actually quoted might be what you are
now commenting upon. Or if you mean the parts you've snipped about the
level of vote/support for SNP/independence. However...

I'm not an SNP voter and wasn't taking about SNP claims, but about the
opinion poll indications done by the various survey companies. And the fact
that they have many seats at the Scots Parliament.

Jim

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In article <snomel$oq9$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
<jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> You can change the date by clicking on the "Earth" at bottom left, and
> in the popup which appears use the "Control" line "Date" to change the
> date to what you want. Or you can click on a double chevron to go
> back/forward 8 hours, or a single chevron to go forward/back one hour. I
> don't understand what you mean by doing any kind of integration. If you
> click on the settings icon at bottom right in the popup, you get
> another popup with "Interpolation" in it, but you can only select
> "bitlinear" or "nearest" if that's what you meant.

I'll experiment.

The integration would be to examine summing or averaging over given ranges
of altitudes, times, or areas, to estmate the total overall energy at least
nominally available -e.g. in a 24 period.

Jim

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On 26/11/2021 10:46, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <snomel$oq9$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> You can change the date by clicking on the "Earth" at bottom left, and
>> in the popup which appears use the "Control" line "Date" to change the
>> date to what you want. Or you can click on a double chevron to go
>> back/forward 8 hours, or a single chevron to go forward/back one hour. I
>> don't understand what you mean by doing any kind of integration. If you
>> click on the settings icon at bottom right in the popup, you get
>> another popup with "Interpolation" in it, but you can only select
>> "bitlinear" or "nearest" if that's what you meant.
>
> I'll experiment.
>
> The integration would be to examine summing or averaging over given ranges
> of altitudes, times, or areas, to estmate the total overall energy at least
> nominally available -e.g. in a 24 period.

You'll get a lot more info and many more links by clicking on "about" in
the first popup, but whether any of it is of use to you only you can say.

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