The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.

Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting
about "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?

UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 16/02/2024 01:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.

Actually I think we have already, with the TV & newspaper media
obviously already giving bias towards the tories, screaming about
antisemitism in the Labour party yet again when they haven't fulfilled
any of their own pledges at all, at all, and they ignore antisemitism in
their own ranks. They brought us into recession because their stinking
rich have creamed off the profits from covid and brought about Brexit to
protect their off-shore wealth.

They have got much, much richer whilst the rest of us have got much
poorer, which is exactly where they want us, of course. It is as it
always was. The rich land owners and the serfs.

In honest, there is enough wealth in our economy to make everyone
comfortable. But, most of it is in the coffers of a very small minority.
The early Quaker industrialists showed the way. Use your wealth to look
after your work force, first and foremost.

I currently live in sheltered accommodation from The Joseph Rowntree
Housing Trust, over a hundred years after he started that fund. I am so
grateful to him. He wasn't a tory.

Our government has exhibited so much blatant corruption over the last 14
years or so that most folks won't be fooled, hopefully.

However, IMO Keir Starmer is a closet tory anyway, so God help us.

I crave honesty in politics, but was it ever there at all, at all?

It might have been with Jeremy, but where did that get us?

Tone

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>
> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting about
> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>
> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.

There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US if you stray
a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.

What's more interesting though, is if there was enough cheating to
actually matter in the end. I lean towards a "no".

But wherever hundreds of millions of people vote, there will always be
cheating when billions of dollars and "all the power and glory" is
involved. To think otherwise is naive.

Sam Plusnet said:
> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>
> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting
> about "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>
> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.

We use posher words, like "redefining constituency boundaries" and
"gerrymandering".

But, yes. Less of that is preferrable to more of it.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:

[...]

> I crave honesty in politics, but was it ever there at all, at all?
>
> It might have been with Jeremy, but where did that get us?

Hunt?
Hardy??
Clarkson???
Beadle !!!1!

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in news:1qp10vj.1h6l26xrpt6rqN%snipeco.2
@gmail.com:

> Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I crave honesty in politics, but was it ever there at all, at all?
>>
>> It might have been with Jeremy, but where did that get us?
>
> Hunt?
> Hardy??
> Clarkson???
> Beadle !!!1!

Fisher

--
Peter
-----

On 2024-02-16, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>
> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting
> about "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>
> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>

Because in the UK, nobody gives a damn. Starmer is a Conservative.
Dangerous time.

greymausg@mail.com
Is There not even one Influencer here to torment?

On 2024-02-16, Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
> On 16/02/2024 01:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>
>
> I crave honesty in politics, but was it ever there at all, at all?
>
> It might have been with Jeremy, but where did that get us?

Yes, the Uk was far gayer place :)
>
> Tone

--
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On 16 Feb 2024 15:48:28 GMT
maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

> On 2024-02-16, Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
> > On 16/02/2024 01:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >
> > It might have been with Jeremy, but where did that get us?
>
> Yes, the Uk was far gayer place :)

Somehow I don't think Thorpe was the Jeremy under consideration.

One difference between Ireland now and the UK then is that nobody
cares that Leo's gay.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On 2024-02-16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 16 Feb 2024 15:48:28 GMT
> maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-16, Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>> > On 16/02/2024 01:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> >
>> > It might have been with Jeremy, but where did that get us?
>>
>> Yes, the Uk was far gayer place :)
>
> Somehow I don't think Thorpe was the Jeremy under consideration.
>
> One difference between Ireland now and the UK then is that nobody
> cares that Leo's gay.
>

They are more concerned as his uselessness.

--
greymausg@mail.com
Is There not even one Influencer here to torment?

On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>
>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting about
>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>
>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>
> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US

You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
to vote? etc

> if you stray
> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!

God save us from the yanks.

On 16-Feb-24 17:23, Jim Jackson wrote:
> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>>
>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting about
>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>>
>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>>
>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
>
> You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
> to vote? etc
>
>> if you stray
>> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!
>
> God save us from the yanks.
>
S'obvious.
If they aren't making evidence-free claims of rigged elections, they
_must_ be socialists (in that pejorative misuse of the word).

Look at all the claims of ballot rigging which have been upheld in the
courts...
(Ah... Sorry about that.)

--
Sam Plusnet

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Jim Jackson wrote:

> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>>
>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting about
>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>>
>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>>
>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
>
> You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
> to vote? etc
>
>> if you stray
>> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!
>
> God save us from the yanks.

Racist Jim!

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> On 16-Feb-24 17:23, Jim Jackson wrote:
>> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>
>>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>>>
>>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting
>>>> about
>>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>>>
>>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>>>
>>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
>>
>> You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
>> to vote? etc
>>
>>> if you stray
>>> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!
>>
>> God save us from the yanks.
>>
> S'obvious.
> If they aren't making evidence-free claims of rigged elections, they _must_
> be socialists (in that pejorative misuse of the word).
>
> Look at all the claims of ballot rigging which have been upheld in the
> courts...
> (Ah... Sorry about that.)

Which has nothing to do with the original point. But classic
example of a socialist argument for the rational people reading.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:01:08 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
> > On 16-Feb-24 17:23, Jim Jackson wrote:
> >> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting
> >>>> about
> >>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
> >>>>
> >>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
> >>>
> >>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
> >>
> >> You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
> >> to vote? etc
> >>
> >>> if you stray
> >>> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>
> >> Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!
> >>
> >> God save us from the yanks.
> >>
> > S'obvious.
> > If they aren't making evidence-free claims of rigged elections, they _must_
> > be socialists (in that pejorative misuse of the word).
> >
> > Look at all the claims of ballot rigging which have been upheld in the
> > courts...
> > (Ah... Sorry about that.)
>
> Which has nothing to do with the original point. But classic
> example of a socialist argument for the rational people reading.

You must be new. Or bored. Ye Shedde is untrollable.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:16:53 +0000
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:01:08 +0100
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
> > Which has nothing to do with the original point. But classic
> > example of a socialist argument for the rational people reading.
>
> You must be new. Or bored. Ye Shedde is untrollable.

And that was a particularly poor effort, not worth playing with.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Jim Jackson wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>
>>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>>>
>>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting about
>>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>>>
>>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>>>
>>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
>>
>> You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
>> to vote? etc
>>
>>> if you stray
>>> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!
>>
>> God save us from the yanks.
>
> Racist Jim!

yes, I apologise :-) God save from some yanks

Jim Jackson said:
> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting about
>>>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>>>>
>>>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>>>>
>>>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
>>>
>>> You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
>>> to vote? etc
>>>
>>>> if you stray
>>>> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>> Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!
>>>
>>> God save us from the yanks.
>>
>> Racist Jim!
>
> yes, I apologise :-) God save from some yanks

Is "yank" actually a race ? Who won ? Or hasn't it finished yet ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 2024-02-16, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 16-Feb-24 17:23, Jim Jackson wrote:
>> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>
>>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>>>
>>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting about
>>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>>>
>>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>>>
>>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
>>

The Election of John kennedy back then was extremely dodgy. Lots of
late votes from Chicago swung it

--
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Is There not even one Influencer here to torment?

Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> writes:

> Is "yank" actually a race ? Who won ? Or hasn't it finished yet ?

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.

To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.

To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.

To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.

To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.

And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.

http://blog.storey.com/2010/07/andrea-chesman-pie-for-breakfast.html

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On 2024-02-17, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
> Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> writes:
>
>> Is "yank" actually a race ? Who won ? Or hasn't it finished yet ?
>
> To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
>
> To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
>
> To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
>
> To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
>
> To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
>
> And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
>
>
> http://blog.storey.com/2010/07/andrea-chesman-pie-for-breakfast.html
>

I have never been in Vermont, but I have heard the story;

"What is summer like in vermont?''

"Very nice, if it is on a weekend.''

--
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On 16/02/2024 03:32, Hymermut wrote:
> On 16/02/2024 01:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>
> Actually I think we have already, with the TV & newspaper media
> obviously already giving bias towards the tories, screaming about
> antisemitism in the Labour party yet again when they haven't fulfilled
> any of their own pledges at all, at all, and they ignore antisemitism in
> their own ranks. They brought us into recession because their stinking
> rich have creamed off the profits from covid and brought about Brexit to
> protect their off-shore wealth.
>

I would take issue with your suggestion that the media is "obviously
already giving bias towards the Tories" - in my view papers like the "i"
and the Guardian (which are admittedly in the minority) have a clear
anti- Tory bias, along with the whole of the BBC.

Anti Semitism in the media generally (this is also an opinion) appears
to get a disproportionally large amount of coverage, while major
instances of genocide simply get swept under the carpet and leave no
mark on history.

Also, the idea that the stinking rich have brought about Brexit in order
to protect their off-shore wealth seems a little obtuse as the “free
movement of capital” clearly was NOT mandatory for EU members. Have any
capital controls been put in place for UK residents since Brexit ?

And I know it was a long time ago, but you may have forgotten that it
was the Tories who took us IN to Europe in the first place – then barely
2 years later the Labour government held a referendum with the stated
objection of getting us out.

On 17/02/2024 10:28, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

> Anti Semitism in the media generally (this is also an opinion) appears
> to get a disproportionally large amount of coverage, while major
> instances of genocide simply get swept under the carpet and leave no
> mark on history.
>
It appears to be considered anti-semitic in this and other countries to
point out that the Israeli government might not actually be entirely
perfect. Expressing support for anyone opposing them seems to be a
definite no-no.

> Also, the idea that the stinking rich have brought about Brexit in order
> to protect their off-shore wealth seems a little obtuse as the “free
> movement of capital” clearly was NOT mandatory for EU members. Have any
> capital controls been put in place for UK residents since Brexit ?
>
It was a little more subtle than that. The EU were planning changes to
the tax regime which would have cost them money, so they wanted an
offshore tax haven.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:01:08 +0100
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>>> On 16-Feb-24 17:23, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
>>>>
>>>> You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
>>>> to vote? etc
>>>>
>>>>> if you stray
>>>>> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>> Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!
>>>>
>>>> God save us from the yanks.
>>>>
>>> S'obvious.
>>> If they aren't making evidence-free claims of rigged elections, they _must_
>>> be socialists (in that pejorative misuse of the word).
>>>
>>> Look at all the claims of ballot rigging which have been upheld in the
>>> courts...
>>> (Ah... Sorry about that.)
>>
>> Which has nothing to do with the original point. But classic
>> example of a socialist argument for the rational people reading.
>
>
> You must be new. Or bored. Ye Shedde is untrollable.

No, no, I go deep. You might not see the results now, but playing the long
game I know some people will wake up from their illusions eventually. =)

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:16:53 +0000
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:01:08 +0100
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Which has nothing to do with the original point. But classic
>>> example of a socialist argument for the rational people reading.
>>
>> You must be new. Or bored. Ye Shedde is untrollable.
>
> And that was a particularly poor effort, not worth playing with.

Why not? It's already paying rich dividends!