I have some downloaded French books.
How do I translate them into English?

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:31:23 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>I have some downloaded French books.
>How do I translate them into English?
>
https://translate.google.com/
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 11:28:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:31:23 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>>I have some downloaded French books.
>>How do I translate them into English?
>>
>https://translate.google.com/
Thanks, but it has a limit of 5000 words. The translation of French
is not great.

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

> I have some downloaded French books.

More fool you.

> How do I translate them into English?

Get some frog to translate it for you and
tell the bugger not to munch on our frog
legs, we are getting short of frogs already.

On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> I have some downloaded French books.
> How do I translate them into English?

Learn French.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> I have some downloaded French books.
>> How do I translate them into English?
>
>Learn French.

Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !

Paysan!

On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>
>> Learn French.
>
> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>
> Paysan!

I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when the
company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his native
tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins, the French
couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 10:46:22 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>
>>> Learn French.
>>
>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>>
>> Paysan!
>
>I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when the
>company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his native
>tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins, the French
>couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.

I once walked into a shop in Quebec heard them speaking English.
Asked for a price on this
They said "Parlez-vous français"
I replied I suppose that means fuck off then so I left.
--
Petzl
Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within

On 31/7/2022 10:46 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>
>>> Learn French.
>>
>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>>
>> Paysan!
>
> I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when the
> company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his native
> tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins, the French
> couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.
>
I used to work for a Canadian company, luckily they were Ontarians
rather than Quebecois.

BTW, Quebecois hasn't strayed far from its origins - it is still a lot
like 17th Century Parisienne French of its origins - but the
*contemporary* French they speak in France has strayed. A fairly common
theme, even my mother found she still spoke the old language of her
country of origin whilst those in-country spoke quite differently.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 31/07/2022 4:50 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 31/7/2022 10:46 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>>
>>>> Learn French.
>>>
>>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>>>
>>> Paysan!
>>
>> I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when
>> the company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his
>> native tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins,
>> the French couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.
>>
> I used to work for a Canadian company, luckily they were Ontarians
> rather than Quebecois.
>
> BTW, Quebecois hasn't strayed far from its origins - it is still a lot
> like 17th Century Parisienne French of its origins - but the
> *contemporary* French they speak in France has strayed. A fairly common
> theme, even my mother found she still spoke the old language of her
> country of origin whilst those in-country spoke quite differently.
>
>
I went into a bookshop in Quebec, I found a Quebecois dictionary, but it
wasn't Quebecois to English, it was Quebecois to French. The French that
they speak in France has to be the standard, they even have a government
committee to ensure its purity.

On 31/7/2022 7:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 31/07/2022 4:50 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 31/7/2022 10:46 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>>>
>>>>> Learn French.
>>>>
>>>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>>>>
>>>> Paysan!
>>>
>>> I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when
>>> the company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his
>>> native tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins,
>>> the French couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.
>>>
>> I used to work for a Canadian company, luckily they were Ontarians
>> rather than Quebecois.
>>
>> BTW, Quebecois hasn't strayed far from its origins - it is still a lot
>> like 17th Century Parisienne French of its origins - but the
>> *contemporary* French they speak in France has strayed. A fairly
>> common theme, even my mother found she still spoke the old language of
>> her country of origin whilst those in-country spoke quite differently.
>>
>>
> I went into a bookshop in Quebec, I found a Quebecois dictionary, but it
> wasn't Quebecois to English, it was Quebecois to French. The French that
> they speak in France has to be the standard, they even have a government
> committee to ensure its purity.

I think I did mention "17th Century Parisienne French" and I did that
for a reason. I have no problem with the French in France having a
language standard but, over time, languages change. However, Quebec
became an isolated enclave of the French language in the midst of a
largely English speaking part of the North American continent. That
isolation was aided and abetted by the French Revolution. In effect
then, the French language in Quebec stood still in time. From what I was
told by a Quebecois many decades ago, the grammar is still the same as
in France so if a Quebecois wrote a letter it could be easily understood
by a Frenchman. Not so much understanding however if said letter was
read out by a Quebecois to a Frenchman! The greatest difference is in
the pronunciation. The other point of note is that languages adopt words
and even phrases from surrounding languages and I would expect Quebecois
to be no different and would not be at all surprised to find lots of
English words have crept in over the centuries and, again, given the
isolation of Quebec from modern day France, these words would not be in
a Frenchman's linguistic repertoire. That would explain the need for a
Quebecois to French dictionary.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 10:46:22 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:

> On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>
>>> Learn French.
>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>> Paysan!
>
> I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when the
> company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his native
> tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins, the French
> couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.

Just reading one of Susie Kelly's memoirs. They bought a very run down
ex farmhouse in southern France and discovered that her very helpful
frog neighbour has a quite heavy frog dialect which makes some stuff
impossible to understand, even the name of the town where he says
has the best live animal market. Fortunately his wife can translate.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 16:50:35 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 31/7/2022 10:46 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>>
>>>> Learn French.
>>>
>>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>>>
>>> Paysan!
>> I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when
>> the company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his
>> native tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins,
>> the French couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.
>>
> I used to work for a Canadian company, luckily they were Ontarians
> rather than Quebecois.
>
> BTW, Quebecois hasn't strayed far from its origins - it is still a lot
> like 17th Century Parisienne French of its origins - but the
> *contemporary* French they speak in France has strayed. A fairly common
> theme, even my mother found she still spoke the old language of her
> country of origin whilst those in-country spoke quite differently.

Italy is much worse. We have lots of Italian migrants, quite a few of them
can't understand each other and have to speak english to each other.
Italian wife of a mate of mine whose parents have no english at all
found that when they visited Italy, most of the time she couldnt
understand any of the Italians. Not due to a change in the language,
just due to most Italians speaking their local dialect.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 19:12:37 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:

> On 31/07/2022 4:50 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 31/7/2022 10:46 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>>>
>>>>> Learn French.
>>>>
>>>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>>>>
>>>> Paysan!
>>>
>>> I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when
>>> the company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his
>>> native tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins,
>>> the French couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.
>>>
>> I used to work for a Canadian company, luckily they were Ontarians
>> rather than Quebecois.
>> BTW, Quebecois hasn't strayed far from its origins - it is still a lot
>> like 17th Century Parisienne French of its origins - but the
>> *contemporary* French they speak in France has strayed. A fairly common
>> theme, even my mother found she still spoke the old language of her
>> country of origin whilst those in-country spoke quite differently.
>>
> I went into a bookshop in Quebec, I found a Quebecois dictionary, but it
> wasn't Quebecois to English, it was Quebecois to French. The French that
> they speak in France has to be the standard, they even have a government
> committee to ensure its purity.

But plenty of frogs, particularly in rural areas, speak a dialect, not
standard french.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:17:15 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 31/7/2022 7:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 31/07/2022 4:50 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 31/7/2022 10:46 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Learn French.
>>>>>
>>>>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>>>>>
>>>>> Paysan!
>>>>
>>>> I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when
>>>> the company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his
>>>> native tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins,
>>>> the French couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.
>>>>
>>> I used to work for a Canadian company, luckily they were Ontarians
>>> rather than Quebecois.
>>>
>>> BTW, Quebecois hasn't strayed far from its origins - it is still a lot
>>> like 17th Century Parisienne French of its origins - but the
>>> *contemporary* French they speak in France has strayed. A fairly
>>> common theme, even my mother found she still spoke the old language of
>>> her country of origin whilst those in-country spoke quite differently.
>>>
>>>
>> I went into a bookshop in Quebec, I found a Quebecois dictionary, but
>> it wasn't Quebecois to English, it was Quebecois to French. The French
>> that they speak in France has to be the standard, they even have a
>> government committee to ensure its purity.
>
> I think I did mention "17th Century Parisienne French" and I did that
> for a reason. I have no problem with the French in France having a
> language standard but, over time, languages change. However, Quebec
> became an isolated enclave of the French language in the midst of a
> largely English speaking part of the North American continent. That
> isolation was aided and abetted by the French Revolution. In effect
> then, the French language in Quebec stood still in time. From what I was
> told by a Quebecois many decades ago, the grammar is still the same as
> in France so if a Quebecois wrote a letter it could be easily understood
> by a Frenchman. Not so much understanding however if said letter was
> read out by a Quebecois to a Frenchman! The greatest difference is in
> the pronunciation.

Yeah, I have been watching
The Queen's Guards: A Year in Service
on the SBS and some of the sqadies are very hard to understand.
The officers are fine.

Also been watching
Betraying the Badge
also on the SBS and don't have any problem with any of the NewYorkers.

> The other point of note is that languages adopt words and even phrases
> from surrounding languages and I would expect Quebecois to be no
> different and would not be at all surprised to find lots of English
> words have crept in over the centuries and, again, given the isolation
> of Quebec from modern day France, these words would not be in a
> Frenchman's linguistic repertoire. That would explain the need for a
> Quebecois to French dictionary.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 16:50:35 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>On 31/7/2022 10:46 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>>
>>>> Learn French.
>>>
>>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>>>
>>> Paysan!
>>
>> I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when the
>> company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his native
>> tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins, the French
>> couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.
>>
>I used to work for a Canadian company, luckily they were Ontarians
>rather than Quebecois.
>
>BTW, Quebecois hasn't strayed far from its origins - it is still a lot
>like 17th Century Parisienne French of its origins - but the
>*contemporary* French they speak in France has strayed. A fairly common
>theme, even my mother found she still spoke the old language of her
>country of origin whilst those in-country spoke quite differently.

I'm watching a Canadian/Quebec movie on TV. Thank God for SBS
translations. Surely students of other languages benefit from the
movies on SBS.

On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 05:11:09 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 16:50:35 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 31/7/2022 10:46 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 30/07/2022 1:41 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 11:43:06 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29/07/2022 7:31 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> I have some downloaded French books.
>>>>>> How do I translate them into English?
>>>>>
>>>>> Learn French.
>>>>
>>>> Je ne parle que le français de Louis XIV !
>>>>
>>>> Paysan!
>>> I used to work with a French-Canadian guy. He was over the moon when
>>> the company sent him to Paris for a conference and he could speak his
>>> native tongue. Unfortunately Quebecois has strayed from its origins,
>>> the French couldn't understand him and asked him to speak English.
>>>
>> I used to work for a Canadian company, luckily they were Ontarians
>> rather than Quebecois.
>>
>> BTW, Quebecois hasn't strayed far from its origins - it is still a lot
>> like 17th Century Parisienne French of its origins - but the
>> *contemporary* French they speak in France has strayed. A fairly common
>> theme, even my mother found she still spoke the old language of her
>> country of origin whilst those in-country spoke quite differently.
>
>Italy is much worse. We have lots of Italian migrants, quite a few of them
>can't understand each other and have to speak english to each other.
>Italian wife of a mate of mine whose parents have no english at all
>found that when they visited Italy, most of the time she couldnt
>understand any of the Italians. Not due to a change in the language,
>just due to most Italians speaking their local dialect.

My grandmother came from a village just beneath the Matterhorn and she
spoke a mixture of French/Italian.