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From: recliner...@gmail.com (Recliner)
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Subject: OT: Berlin-Paris ICE
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 by: Recliner - Wed, 25 May 2022 23:33 UTC

Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail

<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>

Re: OT: Berlin-Paris ICE

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From: non...@nowhere.net (Certes)
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Subject: Re: OT: Berlin-Paris ICE
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 01:38:18 +0100
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 by: Certes - Thu, 26 May 2022 00:38 UTC

On 26/05/2022 00:33, Recliner wrote:
> Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>
> <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>

So, soon we'll be able to get home from Berlin as easily as:
Express from Berlin to Paris
Lug all our stuff across Paris and queue for check-in again
Express from Paris to London
Lug all our stuff across London and queue for check-in again
Express from London to Birmingham, etc.

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Subject: Re: OT: Berlin-Paris ICE
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 by: Recliner - Thu, 26 May 2022 01:01 UTC

Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On 26/05/2022 00:33, Recliner wrote:
>> Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>>
>> <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>
>
> So, soon we'll be able to get home from Berlin as easily as:
> Express from Berlin to Paris
> Lug all our stuff across Paris

The two stations are only a few minutes walk from each other.

> and queue for check-in again
> Express from Paris to London
> Lug all our stuff across London

The two stations are only a few minutes walk from each other.

> and queue for check-in again
> Express from London to Birmingham, etc.

I'd much rather take a direct flight.

But this direct train is reasonably competitive with air on the
Berlin-Paris route.

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From: ann...@noyd-dryver.com (Anna Noyd-Dryver)
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Subject: Re: OT: Berlin-Paris ICE
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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Thu, 26 May 2022 13:37 UTC

Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On 26/05/2022 00:33, Recliner wrote:
>> Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>>
>> <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>
>
> So, soon we'll be able to get home from Berlin as easily as:
> Express from Berlin to Paris
> Lug all our stuff across Paris

1/2 km walk, or 1 stop.

> and queue for check-in again
> Express from Paris to London
> Lug all our stuff across London

1/2 mile walk, or 1 stop.

> and queue for check-in again

What check-in?

> Express from London to Birmingham, etc.
>
>

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From: ema...@domain.com (Bob)
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Subject: Re: OT: Berlin-Paris ICE
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 by: Bob - Thu, 26 May 2022 14:28 UTC

On 2022-05-26 00:38:18 +0000, Certes said:

> On 26/05/2022 00:33, Recliner wrote:
>> Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>>
>> <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>
>>
>
> So, soon we'll be able to get home from Berlin as easily as:
> Express from Berlin to Paris
> Lug all our stuff across Paris and queue for check-in again
> Express from Paris to London
> Lug all our stuff across London and queue for check-in again
> Express from London to Birmingham, etc.

If you are concerned about changing stations, you can do St
Pancras-Brussels-Cologne-Berlin, the connections between Eurostar and
the ICE to Cologne and Frankfurt have been arranged to involve the
minimum fuss. There are, though, no direct flights from Birmingham to
Berlin, so there's a whole lot of checkign in, luggign stuff and
hanging around involved with that option.

Robin

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 by: Bob - Thu, 26 May 2022 14:29 UTC

On 2022-05-26 01:01:07 +0000, Recliner said:

> Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> On 26/05/2022 00:33, Recliner wrote:
>>> Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>>>
>>> <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>
>>>
>>
>> So, soon we'll be able to get home from Berlin as easily as:
>> Express from Berlin to Paris
>> Lug all our stuff across Paris
>
> The two stations are only a few minutes walk from each other.
>
>> and queue for check-in again
>> Express from Paris to London
>> Lug all our stuff across London
>
> The two stations are only a few minutes walk from each other.
>
>> and queue for check-in again
>> Express from London to Birmingham, etc.
>
> I'd much rather take a direct flight.

There are none from Birmingham to Berlin.

Robin

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From: rol...@perry.co.uk (Roland Perry)
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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 26 May 2022 15:08 UTC

In message <t6o2s7$mqa$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:29:25 on Thu, 26 May
2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>On 2022-05-26 01:01:07 +0000, Recliner said:
>
>> Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>> On 26/05/2022 00:33, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>>>>
>>>><https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e02
>>>>66c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>
>>> So, soon we'll be able to get home from Berlin as easily as:
>>> Express from Berlin to Paris
>>> Lug all our stuff across Paris
>> The two stations are only a few minutes walk from each other.
>>
>>> and queue for check-in again
>>> Express from Paris to London
>>> Lug all our stuff across London
>> The two stations are only a few minutes walk from each other.
>>
>>> and queue for check-in again
>>> Express from London to Birmingham, etc.

>> I'd much rather take a direct flight.
>
>There are none from Birmingham to Berlin.

This week. I forget where my isolated Berlin Ryanair flight was from.
Could have been East Midlands.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u - Thu, 26 May 2022 15:53 UTC

On 26/05/2022 00:33, Recliner wrote:
> Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>
> <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>
>

Paris-Moscow won't be for a while, I guess.

Nice-Moscow is also out.

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Subject: Re: OT: Berlin-Paris ICE
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 by: Matthew Geier - Fri, 27 May 2022 00:16 UTC

On 26/5/22 09:33, Recliner wrote:
> Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>
> <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>
>
It was just a matter of scheduling and routing. I've already arrived in
Paris aboard an ICE3-M train. I think it may have been Mannheim where we
boarded the train.

This is basically the railways seeing if they can pull in people for a 5
hour train trip when the previous limit was considered to be 3hrs.

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From: new...@hartig-mantel.de (Rolf Mantel)
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Subject: Re: OT: Berlin-Paris ICE
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 by: Rolf Mantel - Fri, 27 May 2022 09:18 UTC

Am 27.05.2022 um 02:16 schrieb Matthew Geier:
> On 26/5/22 09:33, Recliner wrote:
>> Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>>
>> <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>
>>
> It was just a matter of scheduling and routing. I've already arrived in
> Paris aboard an ICE3-M train. I think it may have been Mannheim where we
> boarded the train.

Sure, join Paris - Mannheim - Frankfurt with Frankfurt - Erfurt - Berlin
once a day. In the long term, Germany will cut close to one hour off
this journey (activate ETCS Saarbrücken - Mannheim, 300 km/h line
Mannheim - Frankfurt to start builfing now, City tunnel Frankfurt in
early planning, upgrade Frankfurt-Gelnhausen to 250 km/h in progress,
300 km/h line Gelnhausen to Fulda in planning, Fulda to Eisenach in
early planning).

> This is basically the railways seeing if they can pull in people for a 5
> hour train trip when the previous limit was considered to be 3hrs.

This is part of the EU program "TEE 2.0" increasing high-speed train
connectivity between EU countries (it will probabl mostly simplify
ticketing). If sucessful, a TGV train set should go to Berlin once a
day as well.

The press have compared this with Frankfurt - Marseilles (also one train
pair per day), neglecting the fact that on Frankfurt - Marseilles
there's no regular one-change option (I'm still waiting for the ICE
Frankfurt - Marseilles - Frankfurt to offer easier holiday opportunities).

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Subject: Re: OT: Berlin-Paris ICE
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 by: Ken - Tue, 31 May 2022 09:11 UTC

On Wed, 25 May 2022 23:33:29 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Berlin to Paris gets high-speed rail
>
><https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/43753e52-dc50-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=487c23418b0768af38b17202e41737ca>

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