It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/

On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>
> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>
Thanks Mark. I only bought a freeview box for the front room because
freesat lost C4 HD. I'll go back to all Freesat now. Especially as I
have found a secondhand multiswitch to replace the one that got zapped
by the power cuts.

Bill

"williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
news:j1ed8hFlsusU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>
>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
> Thanks Mark. I only bought a freeview box for the front room because
> freesat lost C4 HD. I'll go back to all Freesat now. Especially as I have
> found a secondhand multiswitch to replace the one that got zapped by the
> power cuts.

What exactly has come back? My Raspberry Pi / DVB-S2 setup has had CH4 HD
for a long time: I had to check that it hadn't just auto-added it in the
last day or so, but it's been there all along.

Is it that CH4 HD has been transmitted all along but not been part of the
Freesat list of channels/LCNs? Is it like the way that you can receive any
ITV region, but if you use Freesat, it asks for the postcode, and then maps
LCNs 3 and 103 (or Freesat equivalents) to the "correct" ITV region for your
postcode?

NY wrote:

> "williamwright" wrote:
>
>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>
>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>
>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>
>> Thanks Mark. I only bought a freeview box for the front room because freesat
>> lost C4 HD. I'll go back to all Freesat now. Especially as I have found a
>> secondhand multiswitch to replace the one that got zapped by the power cuts.
>
> What exactly has come back?

An entry in the freesat EPG, the actual channel's been there all along for us
FTA users.

On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 16:23:15 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

> NY wrote:
>
>> "williamwright" wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>>
>>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>>
>>> Thanks Mark. I only bought a freeview box for the front room because freesat
>>> lost C4 HD. I'll go back to all Freesat now. Especially as I have found a
>>> secondhand multiswitch to replace the one that got zapped by the power cuts.
>>
>> What exactly has come back?
>
> An entry in the freesat EPG, the actual channel's been there all along for us
> FTA users.

About half-a-dozen channels came in. Deleted 5 of them and now need to
delete one of those that I kept as padding just so that the EPG had a whole
number of 7-channel steps.
The whole number has a minor convenience when checking the day a week ahead
and the other use is easily telling if a crapchannel has crept in.

Discovered by chance that https://www.tvguide.co.uk/ has 13 days' on it;
also has summaries for those channels that lack them on the EPG (Ch. 5 is
about the worst).
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 09/12/2021 16:12, NY wrote:
> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
> news:j1ed8hFlsusU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>
>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>
>> Thanks Mark. I only bought a freeview box for the front room because
>> freesat lost C4 HD. I'll go back to all Freesat now. Especially as I
>> have found a secondhand multiswitch to replace the one that got zapped
>> by the power cuts.
>
> What exactly has come back? My Raspberry Pi / DVB-S2 setup has had CH4
> HD for a long time: I had to check that it hadn't just auto-added it in
> the last day or so, but it's been there all along.

CH 4 HD has always been free to air and could still be received whilst
not on the Freesat platform. What went missing was the 7 day over the
air EPG from Freesat. Without other means of getting the 7 day EPG (Sky
IEPG channel for instance) many boxes would just show a now/next EPG.

>
> Is it that CH4 HD has been transmitted all along but not been part of
> the Freesat list of channels/LCNs? Is it like the way that you can
> receive any ITV region, but if you use Freesat, it asks for the
> postcode, and then maps LCNs 3 and 103 (or Freesat equivalents) to the
> "correct" ITV region for your postcode?

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"alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:j1f4d6FqcluU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 09/12/2021 16:12, NY wrote:
>> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
>> news:j1ed8hFlsusU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>>
>>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>> Thanks Mark. I only bought a freeview box for the front room because
>>> freesat lost C4 HD. I'll go back to all Freesat now. Especially as I
>>> have found a secondhand multiswitch to replace the one that got zapped
>>> by the power cuts.
>>
>> What exactly has come back? My Raspberry Pi / DVB-S2 setup has had CH4 HD
>> for a long time: I had to check that it hadn't just auto-added it in the
>> last day or so, but it's been there all along.
>
> CH 4 HD has always been free to air and could still be received whilst not
> on the Freesat platform. What went missing was the 7 day over the air EPG
> from Freesat. Without other means of getting the 7 day EPG (Sky IEPG
> channel for instance) many boxes would just show a now/next EPG.

Ah. Now I come to think of it, when I was setting up my Raspberry Pi with
TVHeadend, I seem to remember I told it to use the CH4 *SD* EPG because the
HD one was almost non-existent - though now I look for that configuration, I
can't see anything which defines it. Given that my setup can receive the
same channels from both satellite and terrestrial, I may have instead chosen
always to use the EPG from CH 4 HD *terrestrial*, even if TVHeadend happens
to choose to record from satellite depending on what other recordings are
set.

This level of control and complexity (and nerdishness!) is not available for
dedicated satellite PVRs... Looking back at what I've set up (and documented
lest I forget) the more impressed I am with myself ;-) Did I really do it
myself or did I have divine inspiration guiding me?

On 09/12/2021 16:23, Andy Burns wrote:
> NY wrote:
>
>> "williamwright" wrote:
>>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>>
>>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>>
>>> Thanks Mark. I only bought a freeview box for the front room because
>>> freesat lost C4 HD. I'll go back to all Freesat now. Especially as I
>>> have found a secondhand multiswitch to replace the one that got
>>> zapped by the power cuts.
>>
>> What exactly has come back?
>
> An entry in the freesat EPG, the actual channel's been there all along
> for us FTA users.
>
And of course (crucially for C4 and their advertisers) it's been on
Sky's EPG all the time too.

On 09/12/2021 22:34, NY wrote:

>
> This level of control and complexity (and nerdishness!) is not available
> for dedicated satellite PVRs...

My Enigma 2 box/PVR has both terrestrial and satellite tuners which I
use for free to air channels/programs and I have also been getting CH4
HD from satellite with a 7 day over the air EPG (from satellite) whilst
it has not been on the Freesat platform. In my case I use the Sky IEPG
data channel - which I've configured the box to tune in for around 10
minutes each morning.

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On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 16:23:15 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>NY wrote:
>
>> "williamwright" wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>>
>>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>>
>>> Thanks Mark. I only bought a freeview box for the front room because freesat
>>> lost C4 HD. I'll go back to all Freesat now. Especially as I have found a
>>> secondhand multiswitch to replace the one that got zapped by the power cuts.
>>
>> What exactly has come back?
>
>An entry in the freesat EPG, the actual channel's been there all along for us
>FTA users.

According to my Humax it has always been there. I even reset everything to
check, when Mark said it was coming back. However now Humax has changed so that
Channel old HD location has become SD and Channel 4 HD is at 126. I assume that
Freesat EPG determines the labelling of the channels and not Humax?
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Martin in Zuid Holland

On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>
> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>
'cos C4 now part own Freesat?

On 10/12/2021 15:49, David Kennedy wrote:
> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>
>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>
> 'cos C4 now part own Freesat?

Ch4 HD was previously on Freesat but then they had a dispute about
charges and they removed CH4 HD from the line-up. CH4 HD hasn't been on
Freesat for around a year.

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On 10/12/2021 23:17, alan_m wrote:
> On 10/12/2021 15:49, David Kennedy wrote:
>> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>
>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>
>> 'cos C4 now part own Freesat?
>
> Ch4 HD was previously on Freesat but then they had a dispute about
> charges and they removed CH4 HD from the line-up.  CH4 HD hasn't been
> on Freesat for around a year.
>
3.75 years in fact. They came off Freesat in February 2018

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 16:59:17 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 10/12/2021 23:17, alan_m wrote:
>> On 10/12/2021 15:49, David Kennedy wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>>
>>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>>
>>> 'cos C4 now part own Freesat?
>>
>> Ch4 HD was previously on Freesat but then they had a dispute about
>> charges and they removed CH4 HD from the line-up.  CH4 HD hasn't been
>> on Freesat for around a year.
>>
>3.75 years in fact. They came off Freesat in February 2018

Why did Freesat label Channel 4 SD as HD?
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Martin in Zuid Holland

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:49:43 +0000, David Kennedy
<davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:

>On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>
>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>
>'cos C4 now part own Freesat?

because the govt want to give Channel 4 away, the current management are busy
signing long term contracts. For example, every F1 race live next year.
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Martin in Zuid Holland

On 13/12/2021 10:33, Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 16:59:17 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/12/2021 23:17, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 10/12/2021 15:49, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>>>
>>>> 'cos C4 now part own Freesat?
>>>
>>> Ch4 HD was previously on Freesat but then they had a dispute about
>>> charges and they removed CH4 HD from the line-up.  CH4 HD hasn't been
>>> on Freesat for around a year.
>>>
>> 3.75 years in fact. They came off Freesat in February 2018
>
> Why did Freesat label Channel 4 SD as HD?

They didn't. Ch4 SD and CH4 HD have been broadcast in parallel.

As previously mentioned CH4 HD was still being broadcast on satellite
but the 7 day Electronic programme Guide (EPG) was removed from the
Freesat platform. Sky users and those with the appropriate equipment
have been able to view CH4 HD with a full 7 day EPG for the past 3.75
years. Ch4 SD 7 day EPG remained on the Freesat platform.

Dedicated Freesat boxes may have "lost" CH4 HD or it may have been found
in the alternative Free To Air section but with only a limited now/next
program guide.

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Martin wrote:

> Channel 4 [...] every F1 race live next year.

cite?

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 13:08:57 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On 13/12/2021 10:33, Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 16:59:17 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/12/2021 23:17, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 10/12/2021 15:49, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>>> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>>>>
>>>>> 'cos C4 now part own Freesat?
>>>>
>>>> Ch4 HD was previously on Freesat but then they had a dispute about
>>>> charges and they removed CH4 HD from the line-up.  CH4 HD hasn't been
>>>> on Freesat for around a year.
>>>>
>>> 3.75 years in fact. They came off Freesat in February 2018
>>
>> Why did Freesat label Channel 4 SD as HD?
>
>They didn't. Ch4 SD and CH4 HD have been broadcast in parallel.
>
>As previously mentioned CH4 HD was still being broadcast on satellite
>but the 7 day Electronic programme Guide (EPG) was removed from the
>Freesat platform. Sky users and those with the appropriate equipment
>have been able to view CH4 HD with a full 7 day EPG for the past 3.75
>years. Ch4 SD 7 day EPG remained on the Freesat platform.
>
>Dedicated Freesat boxes may have "lost" CH4 HD or it may have been found
>in the alternative Free To Air section but with only a limited now/next
>program guide.

I had the whole thing on a Humax box without having to go to free to air mode.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 17:52:53 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>
>> Channel 4 [...] every F1 race live next year.
>
>cite?

Channel 4.
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Martin in Zuid Holland

On 15/12/2021 13:32, Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 17:52:53 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>>> Channel 4 [...] every F1 race live next year.
>> cite?
> Channel 4.
Do you have a link ?

On 15/12/2021 13:31, Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 13:08:57 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 13/12/2021 10:33, Martin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 16:59:17 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/12/2021 23:17, alan_m wrote:
>>>>> On 10/12/2021 15:49, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'cos C4 now part own Freesat?
>>>>> Ch4 HD was previously on Freesat but then they had a dispute about
>>>>> charges and they removed CH4 HD from the line-up.  CH4 HD hasn't been
>>>>> on Freesat for around a year.
>>>>>
>>>> 3.75 years in fact. They came off Freesat in February 2018
>>> Why did Freesat label Channel 4 SD as HD?
>> They didn't. Ch4 SD and CH4 HD have been broadcast in parallel.
>>
>> As previously mentioned CH4 HD was still being broadcast on satellite
>> but the 7 day Electronic programme Guide (EPG) was removed from the
>> Freesat platform. Sky users and those with the appropriate equipment
>> have been able to view CH4 HD with a full 7 day EPG for the past 3.75
>> years. Ch4 SD 7 day EPG remained on the Freesat platform.
>>
>> Dedicated Freesat boxes may have "lost" CH4 HD or it may have been found
>> in the alternative Free To Air section but with only a limited now/next
>> program guide.
> I had the whole thing on a Humax box without having to go to free to air mode.
If it was Channel 104, then it was (and still is) the SD version of C4.

Ch 126 is C4 HD, and was prior to 2018 I think.

Martin wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>>> Channel 4 [...] every F1 race live next year.
>>
>> cite?
>
> Channel 4.

The most I can see on their news releases page, is for the one-off finale,
nothing about 2022 season

<https://www.channel4.com/press/news>

specifically

<https://www.channel4.com/press/news/sky-and-channel-4-strike-deal-show-2021-formula-1-season-finale-live-terrestrial>

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:41:15 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 15/12/2021 13:31, Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 13:08:57 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/12/2021 10:33, Martin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 16:59:17 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/12/2021 23:17, alan_m wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/12/2021 15:49, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 09/12/2021 08:44, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>>>> It's back as of yesterday. EPG 126. Along with some siblings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021/12/08/channel-4-adds-bouquet-of-channels-to-freesat/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'cos C4 now part own Freesat?
>>>>>> Ch4 HD was previously on Freesat but then they had a dispute about
>>>>>> charges and they removed CH4 HD from the line-up.  CH4 HD hasn't been
>>>>>> on Freesat for around a year.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 3.75 years in fact. They came off Freesat in February 2018
>>>> Why did Freesat label Channel 4 SD as HD?
>>> They didn't. Ch4 SD and CH4 HD have been broadcast in parallel.
>>>
>>> As previously mentioned CH4 HD was still being broadcast on satellite
>>> but the 7 day Electronic programme Guide (EPG) was removed from the
>>> Freesat platform. Sky users and those with the appropriate equipment
>>> have been able to view CH4 HD with a full 7 day EPG for the past 3.75
>>> years. Ch4 SD 7 day EPG remained on the Freesat platform.
>>>
>>> Dedicated Freesat boxes may have "lost" CH4 HD or it may have been found
>>> in the alternative Free To Air section but with only a limited now/next
>>> program guide.
>> I had the whole thing on a Humax box without having to go to free to air mode.
>If it was Channel 104, then it was (and still is) the SD version of C4.
>
>Ch 126 is C4 HD, and was prior to 2018 I think.

Until it moved from 104 to 126on my Freesat Humax PVR 104 was always labelled
HD.
I think the Humax PVR gets its labelling from Freesat. I reinitialised my PVR
when you said it wasn't HD. It still showed 104 as HD. You are and were right
that 104 was actually SD, despite the labelling.
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