Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I
can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
the human mind.

In article <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>,
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I
> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
> the human mind.

We used to have the Potter's Wheel

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In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
writes
>Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
>downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I
>can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
>the human mind.
>

The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want
to urinate.
--
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"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

In article <e5O0CACZoivhFwmW@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,
John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
> writes
> >Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
> >downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I
> >can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
> >the human mind.
> >

> The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want
> to urinate.

It isn't just you. It's a well known effect. When the BBC built TV Centre
in the 1960s, there was a fountain in the centre of the ring. If that was
running, people in offices overlooking it, found the same effect. In the
interests of getting work done, it was turned off. It also leaked into the
basement video tape area.

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On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I
> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
> the human mind.
>
Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
distant background. When you go into the area lit by the fluorescent
lamp, a piece of white paper still looks white rather than pale green.

Jim

Yes On the Amazon Echo there is also a streaming fire in the sleep sounds
skill. I swear I can smell the smoke.
Brian

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"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I
> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
> the human mind.
>

On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
> On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
>> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
>> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer
>> and I
>> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
>> the human mind.
>>
> Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
> take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
> distant background.

With film camera? Due to the chemistry of the emulsion, mainly, and the
lack of any colour correction. And incandescent lamps make the image
look orange.

>  When you go into the area lit by the fluorescent
> lamp, a piece of white paper still looks white rather than pale green.

Camera or mk. 1 eyeball?

Our vision has a clever system of colour correction. As do digital cameras.

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I used to have a betamax video of the potters wheel and the windmill.
However the windmill was not so good as it could be seen to jump due to the
changes in the clouds positions when it restarted.
Does anyone remember that optical illusion one where you could imagine a
rectangular frame rotating in any direction you liked, sometimes it looked
like it swapped direction half way around. It was caused I believe due to
the lack of 3D vision on tv, vs and different viewpoints of the yees if it
were in real life.

Who also remembers the start up sequences of the ITV regions as when they
had non 24 hour programs some were quite intricate, while others were naff,
Remember the Angrier one with its terrible little model knight with a flag?
Brian

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"charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>,
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
>> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and
>> I
>> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
>> the human mind.
>
> We used to have the Potter's Wheel
>
> --
> from KT24 in Surrey, England
> "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Babbling book does the same to me.
I think this is the prioritisation of the inputs to the brain. Anything
that suggests something can alter in what priority you feel things.

Pain is often not felt until a lot later on if you get injured as natural
selection prioitises the getting to a safe place before you are debilitated
by the pain.
Brian

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"John Hall" <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
> writes
>>Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
>>downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I
>>can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
>>the human mind.
>>
>
> The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want to
> urinate.
> --
> John Hall
> "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
> But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
> Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

Yes it was after a while only run on special occasions and for a limited
period. I never saw it running when I visited. One might have thought that
the leak issue would have been fixed at build time. In my view that building
should have been listed for posterity, but then it was fairly modern and
perhaps not built to the most exacting standards!
Brian

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> In article <e5O0CACZoivhFwmW@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,
> John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
>> writes
>> >Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
>> >downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and
>> >I
>> >can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange
>> >thing
>> >the human mind.
>> >
>
>> The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want
>> to urinate.
>
>
> It isn't just you. It's a well known effect. When the BBC built TV Centre
> in the 1960s, there was a fountain in the centre of the ring. If that was
> running, people in offices overlooking it, found the same effect. In the
> interests of getting work done, it was turned off. It also leaked into
> the
> basement video tape area.
>
> --
> from KT24 in Surrey, England
> "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Yes when I got my first colour camera when I could still see,It made
everyone look a little yellow as the lighting was indeed of the type you
mention. Even the sun is not pure white of course. Colour temperature and
holes in the spectrum are tolerated well by our eyes and brain. I remember
when the first CFL lamps came out many complained that the lighting, though
apparently bright seemed to look grainy to them. I suspect this was due to
the brain having to adjust the spectrum and of course cfls tend to have poor
persistence of vision unlike tungsten which although red do still emit light
as the cycles reach their peak. Some phosphors do look better, but can cause
other effects like slow strobing effects.
Brian

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"Indy Jess John" <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
>> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
>> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and
>> I
>> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
>> the human mind.
>>
> Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you take
> a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the distant
> background. When you go into the area lit by the fluorescent lamp, a
> piece of white paper still looks white rather than pale green.
>
> Jim
>

What about red eye, what causes that?

Amy way I'm beyond caring these days.
If you run the log fire video backwards, does it cool you down? :-)

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> On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
>>> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
>>> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and
>>> I
>>> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange
>>> thing
>>> the human mind.
>>>
>> Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you take
>> a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the distant
>> background.
>
> With film camera? Due to the chemistry of the emulsion, mainly, and the
> lack of any colour correction. And incandescent lamps make the image look
> orange.
>
>> When you go into the area lit by the fluorescent lamp, a piece of white
>> paper still looks white rather than pale green.
>
> Camera or mk. 1 eyeball?
>
> Our vision has a clever system of colour correction. As do digital
> cameras.
>
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Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
> > On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
> >> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
> >> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer
> >> and I
> >> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
> >> the human mind.
> >>
> > Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
> > take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
> > distant background.
>
> With film camera? Due to the chemistry of the emulsion, mainly, and the
> lack of any colour correction. And incandescent lamps make the image
> look orange.
[...]

When using print film the colour balance is entirely under the
subjective control of the tech. operating the printer. Many
professionals of the film era preferred to use slide film where
the subjective element is avoided. Slide film shots taken under
fluorescent lighting show a very strong green colour cast.

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On 18/12/2021 18:36, John Hall wrote:
> In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
> writes
>> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
>> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer
>> and I
>> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
>> the human mind.
>>
>
> The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want
> to urinate.

It works well when you are required to urinate by a bossy nurse.

Bill

On 19/12/2021 11:44, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> What about red eye, what causes that?

In dim light the pupils are open so light from the flash reflects from
the inside of the eye which is red due to the blood.

One way to eliminate it is for the flash to be separated from the camera
by a few inches; I used to have a "magicube extender" for a pocket
instamatic I had.

Modern digital cameras and phones flash once or twice before registering
the image so that the pupil has time to contract.

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On 19/12/2021 12:26, Sn!pe wrote:
> Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
>>> On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
>>>> Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
>>>> downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer
>>>> and I
>>>> can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
>>>> the human mind.
>>>>
>>> Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
>>> take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
>>> distant background.
>>
>> With film camera? Due to the chemistry of the emulsion, mainly, and the
>> lack of any colour correction. And incandescent lamps make the image
>> look orange.
> [...]
>
> When using print film the colour balance is entirely under the
> subjective control of the tech. operating the printer. Many
> professionals of the film era preferred to use slide film where
> the subjective element is avoided. Slide film shots taken under
> fluorescent lighting show a very strong green colour cast.

Did they actually correct the balance on colour print film? I know they
corrected the exposure of colour print film from the 70s onward so you
could use simple cameras with fixed aperture which previously could only
be used with b/w.

(Doesn't explain why the last film I had processed (of outdoor shots)
had a pronounced purple hue. Or why the girl in Boots didn't care.
Admittedly the film was rather out of date.)

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On 19/12/2021 11:42, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> Yes when I got my first colour camera when I could still see,It made
> everyone look a little yellow as the lighting was indeed of the type you
> mention. Even the sun is not pure white of course. Colour temperature and
> holes in the spectrum are tolerated well by our eyes and brain. I remember
> when the first CFL lamps came out many complained that the lighting, though
> apparently bright seemed to look grainy to them. I suspect this was due to
> the brain having to adjust the spectrum and of course cfls tend to have poor
> persistence of vision unlike tungsten which although red do still emit light
> as the cycles reach their peak. Some phosphors do look better, but can cause
> other effects like slow strobing effects.

When electric light (or was it gas) first came out, ladies complained
that it was unflattering to their complexion and insisted on light shades.

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On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
> Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
> take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
> distant background.

Auto colour balance.

Bill

On 19/12/2021 12:26, Sn!pe wrote:
> Slide film shots taken under
> fluorescent lighting show a very strong green colour cast.

That's why we used to carry a full set of correction filters. Nowadays
just select the appropriate light source correction in settings.

Bill

Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> On 19/12/2021 12:26, Sn!pe wrote:
[...]
> > When using print film the colour balance is entirely under the
> > subjective control of the tech. operating the printer. Many
> > professionals of the film era preferred to use slide film where
> > the subjective element is avoided. Slide film shots taken under
> > fluorescent lighting show a very strong green colour cast.
> >
>
> Did they actually correct the balance on colour print film? I know they
> corrected the exposure of colour print film from the 70s onward so you
> could use simple cameras with fixed aperture which previously could only
> be used with b/w.
>
> (Doesn't explain why the last film I had processed (of outdoor shots)
> had a pronounced purple hue. Or why the girl in Boots didn't care.
> Admittedly the film was rather out of date.)
>

Yes, the colour balance is totally controlled by the operator. That's
why if you ever wanted a reprint and you needed the colour balance to
be similar to the first copy, you had to provide a sample for colour
matching. Even then it was hit or miss and reprints rarely matched
well. Consumer grade colour printing was not a precise art.

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On 19/12/2021 17:53, williamwright wrote:
> Auto colour balance.

Digital cameras have setting different types of light so easy to
correct. You can even correct retrospectively if you forget to set or
set incorrectly,

On 19/12/2021 19:21, MB wrote:
> On 19/12/2021 17:53, williamwright wrote:
>> Auto colour balance.
>
> Digital cameras have setting different types of light so easy to
> correct.  You can even correct retrospectively if you forget to set or
> set incorrectly,
>
Graphics program. Auto white balance. Assuming no unusual dominant
colour in the picture it works. One click.

Bill