On 2/09/2021 9:37 am, Max wrote:
> On 1/09/2021 8:34 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>> Max wrote
>>
>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using
>>>>> Aus Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in the
>>>>> mail? Can you get a refund from the retailer?
>>
>>>> Nope  - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
>>
>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
>>
>> Legally there isn't.
>>
>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
>>
>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
>>
>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery?  Order again?
>>
>> Yep, and insure it next time.
>
> Wrong, it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
>
> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the courier
> company used to deliver the product."
>
> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
>
If you know that why did you ask the question

MAX needs to go GET FUCKED

==========================
>>
> >>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using Aus
> >>>> Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in the mail?
> >>>> Can you get a refund from the retailer?
> >>>
> >>> ** Nope - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
> >>>
> >> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost', and I
> >> should be able to get a refund.
> >
> > ** From Aust post, maybe.
> >
> It is the job of the vendor to deliver the product to me. If this fails
> for some reason, then they must refund me.

** Only they THEY chose the means of delivery.

When you agree to Aust post - you take the risk.

Valuable items need to be registers and insured.

Your whole story is fucking bullshit - as usual.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

..... Phil

On 2/09/2021 10:02 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 9:37 am, Max wrote:
>> On 1/09/2021 8:34 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>> Max wrote
>>>
>>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using
>>>>>> Aus Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in the
>>>>>> mail? Can you get a refund from the retailer?
>>>
>>>>> Nope  - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
>>>
>>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
>>>
>>> Legally there isn't.
>>>
>>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
>>>
>>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
>>>
>>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery?  Order again?
>>>
>>> Yep, and insure it next time.
>>
>> Wrong, it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
>>
>> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
>> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the
>> courier company used to deliver the product."
>>
>> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
>>
> If you know that why did you ask the question

I didn't know it when I asked the question.

Mountain Magpie Pooped:
-------------------------------------
>
> Wrong. The sale is completed once you pay for the goods.
>

** ROTFL - wot insane crap !!

The transaction is completed by correct delivery to the other party with payment.

The " sale " ( whatever that is ) is never "completed" .

On 2/09/2021 10:14 am, Max wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 10:02 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 2/09/2021 9:37 am, Max wrote:
>>> On 1/09/2021 8:34 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>>> Max wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using
>>>>>>> Aus Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in
>>>>>>> the mail? Can you get a refund from the retailer?
>>>>
>>>>>> Nope  - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
>>>>
>>>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
>>>>
>>>> Legally there isn't.
>>>>
>>>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
>>>>
>>>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
>>>>
>>>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery?  Order
>>>>> again?
>>>>
>>>> Yep, and insure it next time.
>>>
>>> Wrong, it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
>>>
>>> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
>>> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the
>>> courier company used to deliver the product."
>>>
>>> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
>>>
>> If you know that why did you ask the question
>
> I didn't know it when I asked the question.

Fine, I hope your new 'Judy' arrives soon

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Max wrote

>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using Aus
>>>>> Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in the mail?
>>>>> Can you get a refund from the retailer?

>>>> Nope - cos you accepted that way of delivery.

>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost', and I
>>> should be able to get a refund.

>> From Aust post, maybe.

> It is the job of the vendor to deliver the product to me. If this fails
> for some reason, then they must refund me.

Wrong, as always if you didn’t bother to pay for insurance.

In spades if it takes time to arrive due to covid.

> The vendor has not completed the sale until I receive the goods.

Irrelevant if it arrives late.

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>> Max wrote

>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using Aus
>>>>> Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in the mail?
>>>>> Can you get a refund from the retailer?

>>>> Nope - cos you accepted that way of delivery.

>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',

>> Legally there isn't.

>>> and I should be able to get a refund.

>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.

>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery? Order again?

>> Yep, and insure it next time.

> Wrong,

Nope.

> it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.

Legally that’s bullshit if you didn’t pay for insured delivery.

> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the courier
> company used to deliver the product."

> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit

You aren't in Victoria, fuckwit. And if it wasn’t sent insured,
AP will tell the vendor to go and fuck itself if it gets lost.

In spades if its late due to covid.

On 2/09/2021 12:14 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>> Max wrote
>
>>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using
>>>>>> Aus Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in the
>>>>>> mail? Can you get a refund from the retailer?
>
>>>>> Nope  - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
>
>>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
>
>>> Legally there isn't.
>
>>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
>
>>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
>
>>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery?  Order again?
>
>>> Yep, and insure it next time.
>
>> Wrong,
>
> Nope.
>
>> it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
>
> Legally that’s bullshit if you didn’t pay for insured delivery.
>
>> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
>> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the
>> courier company used to deliver the product."
>
>> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
>>
>
> You aren't in Victoria, fuckwit. And if it wasn’t sent insured,
> AP will tell the vendor to go and fuck itself if it gets lost.
>

Therefore if it gets lost the vendor will have to refund me.

If the item is not delivered it means the vendor has not performed on
the contract.

The vendor does not get to shift liability to Aus Post.

> In spades if its late due to covid.

On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:00:22 +1000, Max posted:-

> Therefore if it gets lost the vendor will have to refund me.
>
> If the item is not delivered it means the vendor has not performed on
> the contract.

Not as clear cut as that simple statement.

Everything depends on the terms and conditions of the contract.

On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 11:11:05 +1000, Dechucka posted:-

> On 2/09/2021 10:14 am, Max wrote:
> > On 2/09/2021 10:02 am, Dechucka wrote:
> >> On 2/09/2021 9:37 am, Max wrote:
> >>> On 1/09/2021 8:34 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> >>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> >>>>> Phil Allison wrote
> >>>>>> Max wrote
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it
> >>>>>>> using Aus Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several
> >>>>>>> weeks in the mail? Can you get a refund from the retailer?
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Nope  - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
> >>>>
> >>>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
> >>>>
> >>>> Legally there isn't.
> >>>>
> >>>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
> >>>>
> >>>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
> >>>>
> >>>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery?
> >>>>> Order again?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yep, and insure it next time.
> >>>
> >>> Wrong, it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
> >>>
> >>> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
> >>> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the
> >>> courier company used to deliver the product."
> >>>
> >>> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
> >>>
> >> If you know that why did you ask the question
> >
> > I didn't know it when I asked the question.
>
> Fine, I hope your new 'Judy' arrives soon

Your blow up "Fran" dolly arrive yet, Dead Fucker?

On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 17:18:06 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison posted:-

> >
> > Wrong. The sale is completed once you pay for the goods.
> >
>
> ** ROTFL - wot insane crap !!
>
> The transaction is completed by correct delivery to the other party
> with payment.
>
> The " sale " ( whatever that is ) is never "completed" .

You are correct, my bad.

Depends on terms of contract, but I am obviously wrong here.

Grovelling apologies. If the goods are sold including freight, and
there is no term that delivery is at the purchaser's risk, then the
sale is completed when delivered.

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 2:43:30 PM UTC+10, Mountain Magpie wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 17:18:06 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison posted:-
> > >
> > > Wrong. The sale is completed once you pay for the goods.
> > >
> >
> > ** ROTFL - wot insane crap !!
> >
> > The transaction is completed by correct delivery to the other party
> > with payment.
> >
> > The " sale " ( whatever that is ) is never "completed" .
> You are correct, my bad.
>
> Depends on terms of contract, but I am obviously wrong here.
>
> Grovelling apologies. If the goods are sold including freight, and
> there is no term that delivery is at the purchaser's risk, then the
> sale is completed when delivered.

** Still wrong.

Ownership will change hands when the parcel is sent and payment is made.
If the buyer agrees to the use of Aust Post's standard mail service then he takes a risk of loss or damage.
Registering is possible, insurance available - for a cost.

If the item is faulty or not as described, the other laws kick in enabling a refund to be obtained.
If the item fails early in its expected life, implied or statutory warranties apply to get a refund.

Such laws do not automatically apply, the buyer needs to get a tribunal decision in their favor first.
This takes time and a lot of effort in many cases.

Best never to rely on it.

..... Phil

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>>> Max wrote
>>
>>>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using Aus
>>>>>>> Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in the mail?
>>>>>>> Can you get a refund from the retailer?
>>
>>>>>> Nope - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
>>
>>>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
>>
>>>> Legally there isn't.
>>
>>>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
>>
>>>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
>>
>>>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery? Order
>>>>> again?
>>
>>>> Yep, and insure it next time.
>>
>>> Wrong,
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
>>
>> Legally that’s bullshit if you didn’t pay for insured delivery.
>>
>>> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
>>> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the courier
>>> company used to deliver the product."
>>
>>> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
>>
>> You aren't in Victoria, fuckwit. And if it wasn’t sent insured,
>> AP will tell the vendor to go and fuck itself if it gets lost.

> Therefore if it gets lost the vendor will have to refund me.

Wrong if you didn’t pay for insured postage.

> If the item is not delivered it means the vendor has not performed on the
> contract.

More pig ignorant bullshit. They posted it the way you paid for.

> The vendor does not get to shift liability to Aus Post.

No one said Aus Post has any liability if you
didn’t pay to have it posted insured, fuckwit.

>> In spades if its late due to covid.

On 2/09/2021 4:04 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>>>> Max wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using
>>>>>>>> Aus Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in
>>>>>>>> the mail? Can you get a refund from the retailer?
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope  - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
>>>
>>>>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
>>>
>>>>> Legally there isn't.
>>>
>>>>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
>>>
>>>>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
>>>
>>>>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery?  Order
>>>>>> again?
>>>
>>>>> Yep, and insure it next time.
>>>
>>>> Wrong,
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
>>>
>>> Legally that’s bullshit if you didn’t pay for insured delivery.
>>>
>>>> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
>>>> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the
>>>> courier company used to deliver the product."
>>>
>>>> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
>>>>
>>>
>>> You aren't in Victoria, fuckwit. And if it wasn’t sent insured,
>>> AP will tell the vendor to go and fuck itself if it gets lost.
>
>> Therefore if it gets lost the vendor will have to refund me.
>
> Wrong if you didn’t pay for insured postage.
>
>> If the item is not delivered it means the vendor has not performed on
>> the contract.
>
> More pig ignorant bullshit. They posted it the way you paid for.
>
>> The vendor does not get to shift liability to Aus Post.
>
> No one said Aus Post has any liability if you
> didn’t pay to have it posted insured, fuckwit.
>
>>> In spades if its late due to covid.
>
>

Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and AusPost
loses it, then I am the one that loses out?

On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 17:57:35 +1000, Max posted:-

> On 2/09/2021 4:04 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> > Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> >> Rod Speed wrote
> >>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> >>>> Rod Speed wrote
> >>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> >>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
> >>>>>>> Max wrote
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it
> >>>>>>>> using Aus Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several
> >>>>>>>> weeks in the mail? Can you get a refund from the retailer?
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Nope  - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
> >>>
> >>>>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
> >>>
> >>>>> Legally there isn't.
> >>>
> >>>>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
> >>>
> >>>>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
> >>>
> >>>>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery?
> >>>>>> Order again?
> >>>
> >>>>> Yep, and insure it next time.
> >>>
> >>>> Wrong,
> >>>
> >>> Nope.
> >>>
> >>>> it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
> >>>
> >>> Legally that’s bullshit if you didn’t pay for insured delivery.
> >>>
> >>>> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
> >>>> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the
> >>>> courier company used to deliver the product."
> >>>
> >>>> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> You aren't in Victoria, fuckwit. And if it wasn’t sent insured,
> >>> AP will tell the vendor to go and fuck itself if it gets lost.
> >
> >> Therefore if it gets lost the vendor will have to refund me.
> >
> > Wrong if you didn’t pay for insured postage.
> >
> >> If the item is not delivered it means the vendor has not performed
> >> on the contract.
> >
> > More pig ignorant bullshit. They posted it the way you paid for.
> >
> >> The vendor does not get to shift liability to Aus Post.
> >
> > No one said Aus Post has any liability if you
> > didn’t pay to have it posted insured, fuckwit.
> >
> >>> In spades if its late due to covid.
> >
> >
>
> Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and
> AusPost loses it, then I am the one that loses out?

If you deal with a reputable vendor, then the vendor would normally
take this up with Oz Post for you; outcome unknown of course.

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>>>>> Max wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it using
>>>>>>>>> Aus Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several weeks in the
>>>>>>>>> mail? Can you get a refund from the retailer?
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
>>>>
>>>>>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
>>>>
>>>>>> Legally there isn't.
>>>>
>>>>>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
>>>>
>>>>>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
>>>>
>>>>>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery? Order
>>>>>>> again?
>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, and insure it next time.
>>>>
>>>>> Wrong,
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
>>>>
>>>> Legally that’s bullshit if you didn’t pay for insured delivery.
>>>>
>>>>> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
>>>>> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the
>>>>> courier company used to deliver the product."
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
>>>>
>>>> You aren't in Victoria, fuckwit. And if it wasn’t sent insured,
>>>> AP will tell the vendor to go and fuck itself if it gets lost.
>>
>>> Therefore if it gets lost the vendor will have to refund me.
>>
>> Wrong if you didn’t pay for insured postage.
>>
>>> If the item is not delivered it means the vendor has not performed on
>>> the contract.
>>
>> More pig ignorant bullshit. They posted it the way you paid for.
>>
>>> The vendor does not get to shift liability to Aus Post.
>>
>> No one said Aus Post has any liability if you
>> didn’t pay to have it posted insured, fuckwit.
>>
>>>> In spades if its late due to covid.

> Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and AusPost
> loses it, then I am the one that loses out?

Yep if you didn’t pay for the insured service.

Max the Wog IDIOT wrote:
-------------------------------------------
>
> Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and AusPost
> loses it, then I am the one that loses out?

** If a friend offered to pickup the carton for you and somehow lost it - does the merchant owe you a refund?
If that friend's car was broken into and the carton taken - does the friend owe you ?

These questions are beyond the mental capacity of persons who use " wog logic ".

...... Phil

On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 17:57:35 +1000, Max posted:-

> On 2/09/2021 4:04 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> > Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> >> Rod Speed wrote
> >>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> >>>> Rod Speed wrote
> >>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> >>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
> >>>>>>> Max wrote
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> If you order something from a retailer and they deliver it
> >>>>>>>> using Aus Post, what happens if it gets delayed for several
> >>>>>>>> weeks in the mail? Can you get a refund from the retailer?
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Nope  - cos you accepted that way of delivery.
> >>>
> >>>>>> There comes a point where the delivery is considered 'lost',
> >>>
> >>>>> Legally there isn't.
> >>>
> >>>>>> and I should be able to get a refund.
> >>>
> >>>>> You're wrong if it wasn’t sent insured.
> >>>
> >>>>>> What am I supposed to do if I am relying on the delivery?
> >>>>>> Order again?
> >>>
> >>>>> Yep, and insure it next time.
> >>>
> >>>> Wrong,
> >>>
> >>> Nope.
> >>>
> >>>> it is the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery.
> >>>
> >>> Legally that’s bullshit if you didn’t pay for insured delivery.
> >>>
> >>>> "Note: if the seller claims to have posted the product, they are
> >>>> responsible for resolving any issues with Australia Post or the
> >>>> courier company used to deliver the product."
> >>>
> >>>> https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/problems-with-a-product/products-missing-or--damaged-in-transit
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> You aren't in Victoria, fuckwit. And if it wasn’t sent insured,
> >>> AP will tell the vendor to go and fuck itself if it gets lost.
> >
> >> Therefore if it gets lost the vendor will have to refund me.
> >
> > Wrong if you didn’t pay for insured postage.
> >
> >> If the item is not delivered it means the vendor has not performed
> >> on the contract.
> >
> > More pig ignorant bullshit. They posted it the way you paid for.
> >
> >> The vendor does not get to shift liability to Aus Post.
> >
> > No one said Aus Post has any liability if you
> > didn’t pay to have it posted insured, fuckwit.
> >
> >>> In spades if its late due to covid.
> >
> >
>
> Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and
> AusPost loses it, then I am the one that loses out?

Australia Post are not liable, as they have declared that they are not
a "common carrier"
https://auspost.com.au/content/dam/auspost_corp/media/documents/on-demand-terms-and-conditions.pdf

It would be between you and the sender.

On 3/09/2021 10:18 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Max the Wog IDIOT wrote:
> -------------------------------------------
>>
>> Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and AusPost
>> loses it, then I am the one that loses out?
>
> ** If a friend offered to pickup the carton for you and somehow lost it - does the merchant owe you a refund?
> If that friend's car was broken into and the carton taken - does the friend owe you ?
>
> These questions are beyond the mental capacity of persons who use " wog logic ".
>

I did not pay any money to Aus Post. The vendor chooses to use Aus Post
to provide the goods to me.

It is a simple contract:

I pay vendor to provide goods to be delivered to me. Unless I receive
those goods the promises on the contract haven't been performed by the
vendor.

Do you think if the vendor chooses to use his brother to deliver the
goods to me and the brother loses the goods, that I bear the loss and
not get refund? What absolute rubbish.

Fuck OFF MAX !!!

==================
---
> >>
> >> Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and AusPost
> >> loses it, then I am the one that loses out?
> >
> > ** If a friend offered to pickup the carton for you and somehow lost it - does the merchant owe you a refund?
> > If that friend's car was broken into and the carton taken - does the friend owe you ?
> >
> > These questions are beyond the mental capacity of persons who use " wog logic ".
> >
> I did not pay any money to Aus Post.

** Yes you FUCKING did.

> The vendor chooses to use Aus Post

** No YOU chose.

> It is a simple contract:

** 2 + 2 boggles your wog brain.

> Do you think if the vendor chooses to use his brother to deliver the
> goods to me and the brother loses the goods,

** His loss then, cos his delivery service.
Fuck off off wog scum.

( see what I mean about wog logic ? )

......... Phil

On 3/09/2021 1:57 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Fuck OFF MAX !!!
>
> ==================
> ---
>>>>
>>>> Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and AusPost
>>>> loses it, then I am the one that loses out?
>>>
>>> ** If a friend offered to pickup the carton for you and somehow lost it - does the merchant owe you a refund?
>>> If that friend's car was broken into and the carton taken - does the friend owe you ?
>>>
>>> These questions are beyond the mental capacity of persons who use " wog logic ".
>>>
>> I did not pay any money to Aus Post.
>
> ** Yes you FUCKING did.
>

It is actually free delivery because me and and the vendor are in
Sydney. So I definitely did NOT pay any money to Aus Post.

>> The vendor chooses to use Aus Post
>
> ** No YOU chose.
>
>> It is a simple contract:
>
> ** 2 + 2 boggles your wog brain.
>

Pity it is you that doesn't have the mental ability to understand the
legal concept of bailment.

>
>> Do you think if the vendor chooses to use his brother to deliver the
>> goods to me and the brother loses the goods,
>
> ** His loss then, cos his delivery service.

Exactly. It is his delivery service. Just like Aus Post is the wine
vendor's delivery service.

I did not choose Aus Post. It is actually free delivery because me and
and the vendor are in Sydney.

Whichever way the vendor choose to deliver the goods, the onus is on
them to ensure delivery. And they will bear the loss if the goods are lost.

Only if I arranged delivery privately would I take liability for any
problems with the delivery.

GO TO HELL WOG MAX
======================
>>
> >>> These questions are beyond the mental capacity of persons who use " wog logic ".
> >>>
> >> I did not pay any money to Aus Post.
> >
> > ** Yes you FUCKING did.
> >
> It is actually free delivery....

** The money in included in the figure * you * paid - IMBECILE !!!
> >> Do you think if the vendor chooses to use his brother to deliver the
> >> goods to me and the brother loses the goods,
> >
> > ** His loss then, cos his delivery service.

> Exactly. It is his delivery service. Just like Aus Post is the wine
> vendor's delivery service.

** FFS WOG IDIOT - Aust Post it is an INDEPENDANT service.

Unlike couriers, the seller has no control over it.

> Whichever way the vendor choose to deliver the goods, the onus is on
> them to ensure delivery.

** FFS IMBECILE - how often do you need to be told about WOG LOGIC ???

> Only if I arranged delivery privately would I take liability for any
> problems with the delivery.

** No. YOU agreed to a service that is not legally liable for losses .

FUCK YOU

....... Phil

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Max wrote

>>> Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and AusPost
>>> loses it, then I am the one that loses out?

>> If a friend offered to pickup the carton for you and somehow lost it -
>> does the merchant owe you a refund?
>> If that friend's car was broken into and the carton taken - does the
>> friend owe you ?

>> These questions are beyond the mental capacity of persons who use " wog
>> logic ".

True.

> I did not pay any money to Aus Post.

Yes you did, it was included in what you paid the vendor.

> The vendor chooses to use Aus Post to provide the goods to me.

And you chose to not pay for insured delivery.

> It is a simple contract:

Nope.

> I pay vendor to provide goods to be delivered to me. Unless I receive
> those goods the promises on the contract haven't been performed by the
> vendor.

Wrong, as always.

> Do you think if the vendor chooses to use his brother to deliver the goods
> to me and the brother loses the goods, that I bear the loss and not get
> refund?

Irrelevant when you didn’t pay for insured delivery.

> What absolute rubbish.

Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it, stupid.

On 3/09/2021 3:10 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> GO TO HELL WOG MAX
> ======================
>>>
>>>>> These questions are beyond the mental capacity of persons who use " wog logic ".
>>>>>
>>>> I did not pay any money to Aus Post.
>>>
>>> ** Yes you FUCKING did.
>>>
>> It is actually free delivery....
>
> ** The money in included in the figure * you * paid - IMBECILE !!!
>

Therefore I did not pay any money directly to Aus Post.

The vendor did pay Aus Post - they told me they have a "corporate
account" with Aus Post.

>>>> Do you think if the vendor chooses to use his brother to deliver the
>>>> goods to me and the brother loses the goods,
>>>
>>> ** His loss then, cos his delivery service.
>
>> Exactly. It is his delivery service. Just like Aus Post is the wine
>> vendor's delivery service.
>
> ** FFS WOG IDIOT - Aust Post it is an INDEPENDANT service.
>
> Unlike couriers, the seller has no control over it.
>

There is no difference between using a courier and Aus Post. Aus Post is
just a government owned delivery service.

>
>> Whichever way the vendor choose to deliver the goods, the onus is on
>> them to ensure delivery.
>
> ** FFS IMBECILE - how often do you need to be told about WOG LOGIC ???
>
>> Only if I arranged delivery privately would I take liability for any
>> problems with the delivery.
>
> ** No. YOU agreed to a service that is not legally liable for losses .
>

Aus Post do provide $100 compensation in the event a delivery is lost.
That money would be given to the vendor, who would then have to
compensate me.

So at the end of the day, it is not me who bears the loss, it is
ultimately the vendor.

> FUCK YOU
>
>
> ...... Phil
>

On 3/09/2021 3:47 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>>> Max wrote
>
>>>> Are you telling me that if I spend $100 on a carton of wine and
>>>> AusPost loses it, then I am the one that loses out?
>
>>> If a friend offered to pickup the carton for you and somehow lost it
>>> - does the merchant owe you a refund?
>>> If that friend's car was broken into and the carton taken - does the
>>> friend owe you ?
>
>>> These questions are beyond the mental capacity of persons who use "
>>> wog logic ".
>
> True.
>
>> I did not pay any money to Aus Post.
>
> Yes you did, it was included in what you paid the vendor.
>
>> The vendor chooses to use Aus Post to provide the goods to me.
>
> And you chose to not pay for insured delivery.
>

That wasn't an option. I had no dealing with Aus Post and there was no
way to specify any type of delivery or insurance options.

>> It is a simple contract:
>
> Nope.
>
>> I pay vendor to provide goods to be delivered to me.  Unless I receive
>> those goods the promises on the contract haven't been performed by the
>> vendor.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
>> Do you think if the vendor chooses to use his brother to deliver the
>> goods to me and the brother loses the goods, that I bear the loss and
>> not get refund?
>
> Irrelevant when you didn’t pay for insured delivery.
>
>> What absolute rubbish.
>
> Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it,
> stupid.
>
>