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 by: Jim Lesurf - Fri, 17 Dec 2021 17:40 UTC

In article <561prg93p1qkksd6c8e5cogdua22juiv0c@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> Similar story here. I have a pair of Bowers and Wilkins loudspeakers
> either side of my TV screen, and I've never heard any modern sound
> system that could honestly stand comparison with it. I bought the
> loudspeakers around 1970, when hi-fi equipment was designed for sound,
> not for looks, and good loudspeakers were built into proper wooden
> boxes, not plastic tubes.

You can still get good pairs of stereo speakers. But have to find and
explore the region between the mass market rubbish sold mainly for 'video'
uses and the ultra-high-price fancy examples for those who want impressive
bling. Sadly, not all of what appears in hi-fi mags is useful. Hence they
are also something you need to read with care.

uk.rec.audio or Pink Fish would probably give someone more info if they
wish to have some new or 'better' (to their taste, etc) speakers.

Jim

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 by: Pamela - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:57 UTC

On 17:40 17 Dec 2021, Jim Lesurf said:

> In article <561prg93p1qkksd6c8e5cogdua22juiv0c@4ax.com>, Roderick
> Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Similar story here. I have a pair of Bowers and Wilkins
>> loudspeakers either side of my TV screen, and I've never heard any
>> modern sound system that could honestly stand comparison with it. I
>> bought the loudspeakers around 1970, when hi-fi equipment was
>> designed for sound, not for looks, and good loudspeakers were built
>> into proper wooden boxes, not plastic tubes.
>
> You can still get good pairs of stereo speakers. But have to find
> and explore the region between the mass market rubbish sold mainly
> for 'video' uses and the ultra-high-price fancy examples for those
> who want impressive bling. Sadly, not all of what appears in hi-fi
> mags is useful. Hence they are also something you need to read with
> care.
>
> uk.rec.audio or Pink Fish would probably give someone more info if
> they wish to have some new or 'better' (to their taste, etc)
> speakers.
>
>
> Jim

I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy when
reproducing speech.

I sometimes wonder if broadcast sound is mixed with telly and radio set
speakers in mind, with the result that bass is articifically emphasised?

The intended result may be deep and full sounding speech but I find the
bass in speech on a big speaker sounds are muddy and muddled.

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 by: Max Demian - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 17:49 UTC

On 18/12/2021 16:57, Pamela wrote:
> On 17:40 17 Dec 2021, Jim Lesurf said:
>> In article <561prg93p1qkksd6c8e5cogdua22juiv0c@4ax.com>, Roderick
>> Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Similar story here. I have a pair of Bowers and Wilkins
>>> loudspeakers either side of my TV screen, and I've never heard any
>>> modern sound system that could honestly stand comparison with it. I
>>> bought the loudspeakers around 1970, when hi-fi equipment was
>>> designed for sound, not for looks, and good loudspeakers were built
>>> into proper wooden boxes, not plastic tubes.
>>
>> You can still get good pairs of stereo speakers. But have to find
>> and explore the region between the mass market rubbish sold mainly
>> for 'video' uses and the ultra-high-price fancy examples for those
>> who want impressive bling. Sadly, not all of what appears in hi-fi
>> mags is useful. Hence they are also something you need to read with
>> care.
>>
>> uk.rec.audio or Pink Fish would probably give someone more info if
>> they wish to have some new or 'better' (to their taste, etc)
>> speakers.

> I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy when
> reproducing speech.
>
> I sometimes wonder if broadcast sound is mixed with telly and radio set
> speakers in mind, with the result that bass is articifically emphasised?
>
> The intended result may be deep and full sounding speech but I find the
> bass in speech on a big speaker sounds are muddy and muddled.

Fine on my 1976 Goodmans Mezzo SLs. (21" high box; 10" bass units I think.)

--
Max Demian

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 by: williamwright - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 18:06 UTC

On 18/12/2021 17:49, Max Demian wrote:
>> I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy when
>> reproducing speech.
>>
>> I sometimes wonder if broadcast sound is mixed with telly and radio set
>> speakers in mind, with the result that bass is articifically emphasised?
>>
>> The intended result may be deep and full sounding speech but I find the
>> bass in speech on a big speaker sounds are muddy and muddled.
>
> Fine on my 1976 Goodmans Mezzo SLs. (21" high box; 10" bass units I think.)

Fine on my big speakers.

Bill

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 by: Bob Latham - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 18:21 UTC

In article <XnsAE04AC75B919B37B93@144.76.35.252>,
Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy
> when reproducing speech.

Have you got them close to a wall especially a wall behind them?

Speakers have to be specifically designed to work against a wall and
even then it tends to destroy any chance they'll give a convincing
stereo image.

Mine are over a metre from the rear wall for that very reason.

Bob.

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 by: Jim Lesurf - Sun, 19 Dec 2021 10:21 UTC

In article <XnsAE04AC75B919B37B93@144.76.35.252>, Pamela
<pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy when
> reproducing speech.

That may in part be due to speech recordings/broadcasts that are too close
without proximity correction. But also may be a 'feature of your room, etc.
However, yes, big speakers tend to do this. Have you tried ESLs? The
interact with the room in a different way. Also, of course, a matter of
where you place the speakers in the room, your listening position, etc.

Quite a number of radio programmes seem to do this, though. The variations on
the BBC now they take in 'independent' productions is quite marked. As are the
differences in sound level from one programme to another! Seems to be a
lack of ensuring some standards wrt level, etc.

Jim

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 by: pinnerite - Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:58 UTC

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:01:53 +1100
"lkpo" <lkpouj@coldmail.com> wrote:

> pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote
> > I need to buy a soundbar. The spec of the Dali sounds perfect.
> > Except I will want to fix it to the wall.
> > It has keyhole fixings on the back.
> > In my experience with these, it is hard to get a firm fixing.
>
> I don't fine that a problem with plug boards done that way.
>
> Its really just a matter of how far the screws are screwed into the
> rawlplug.
>
> > Furthermore it may induce bass rattle.
> >
> > Can anyone throw any light on this?
>

Having now bought the box and found how solid and heavy it is, I realise I over-thought the problem. I made a tiny error when fitting the plugs and screws that made mounting difficult but once on, the Dali was as solid as a rock. No tweaking required. Getting it right first time I count as a lifetime acgievement.

The TV and the soundbar will have to come down (eventually) for decorating.
I would like to chase a channel about 25cm long in which to place a section of trunking so as to hide the cables. I am wondering how best to terminate the two ends. A brush plate might be OK for the area behind the TV but will be to bulky for behind the soundbar. Any constructive suggestions welcomed.

Oh! One critisism. There are two adjustments to the bass available. The problem is that they are switches that are accessed from inside the connector well at the back.

Thanks for all the comments.

Alan

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