Having a hissy fit over X not counting as No vote.
When will Clive be declared a vexatious litigant?

Ozix wrote on 20/9/23 9:08 pm:
> Having a hissy fit over X not counting as No vote.
> When will Clive be declared a vexatious litigant?

For what it's worth, I think there might be a reasonable portion of the
population that might think along the lines of "If a tick means YES then
a cross SHOULD mean NO"

I can't say I would disagree with that 'logic'!!
--
Daniel

Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote

> Having a hissy fit over X not counting as No vote.
> When will Clive be declared a vexatious litigant?

Not possible with political issues.

On 20/09/2023 9:08 pm, Ozix wrote:
> Having a hissy fit over X not counting as No vote.
> When will Clive be declared a vexatious litigant?

I have no objections to him wasting money on garbage legal action.

On 20/09/2023 10:45 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Ozix wrote on 20/9/23 9:08 pm:
>> Having a hissy fit over X not counting as No vote.
>> When will Clive be declared a vexatious litigant?
>
> For what it's worth, I think there might be a reasonable portion of the
> population that might think along the lines of "If a tick means YES then
> a cross SHOULD mean NO"
>
> I can't say I would disagree with that 'logic'!!

Agreed I also believe that as a society there is noting wrong with
expecting anyone who attends a voting booth to be able to read and
follow simple instructions and if they can't read, to ask for assistance.

Ozix

> Having a hissy fit over X not counting as No vote.
> When will Clive be declared a vexatious litigant?

The NO vote scare campaign/artificial outrage brigade (all those LNP
"think tanks" and media/social media influencers must be working
overtime to invent ever more bullshit about the Voice Referendum.

My opinion on the Clive mob, on ON, and of course the LNP won't change
further as it has always been sitting a the rock bottom level.

But now I am getting fully disgusted by some of those "indigenous"
politicians who have sold their souls to world of dog eat dog businesses
and the LNP mob for pure personal gains (power, influence, money) and
are spewing concocted rightwing propaganda about the benefits of the
colonisation and how well they themselves are doing thanks to it.
They downplay the fucking ugly racist dog whistles that is permeating
the NO mob's campaign. These creeps are just bloody hypocrites who know
well that what they propagate will only provide a huge setbacks to the
Aboriginal cause.

Before some of you out there are getting all excited about me allegedly
insinuating that a NO vote must necessarily amount to racism: I do NO
such thing. I do realise that some of you for varying reasons bought
into, at least partially, the manufactured pro NO vote arguments.

Firstly to the argument that we should just let the states do whatever
they think is the best on the needs and problems of indigenous people:

I am not convinced at all about the benefits of "federalism" in our 21st
century modern society. It only leads to added level party political
bureaucracy creating inefficiencies at all levels of administering
government functions. Let's face it...the existence of federal states
are by now a fairly anachronistic institution. Australia could be
governed by empowered local governments overseen by a slightly more
elaborate Federal Parliament run Government.
Nobody can make me believe that people located in different states need
significantly different laws and government regulations when for all
purposes we all live in the same country and society and facing
basically similar or identical problems in our daily lives.
Alas, I see no reason why Canberra suddenly should pass the buck to the
states on indigenous affairs. Doing so only allows for the hard right to
screw over/ignore/mismanage those poor people's needs even more.

Secondly disunity among the indigenous people on how their should manage
their own problems is no reason why we should refuse to grant them a
federal *ADVISORY* body (Get it into your heads: advisory and NOT law
making body).
I find it truly patronising to suggest that they are not mature enough
to manage agreements on what and how should suggestions to be put to
that Federal Parliament for debates and decisions on their affairs.
Sorry but those few elected indigenous representatives already there
clearly devote their full time and interests pushing party politics so
they basically DO NOT COUNT in this respect!

Thirdly, the argument that the core problem for indigenous communities
is the lack of local jobs is sadly a very valid point. I have seen that
first hand on the ground.
However, I have also seen first hand how some rightwing politicians
mismanage their electoral districts interests...fully disgusting hypocrisy.
For instance, take Far-North Queensland, within the region of Innisfail
and the Cassowary Coast south of Cairns: Bob Katter country!
YAY! Defending Jobs...jobs..jobs he does, eh? ROTFLOL!
This is not only a very productive agricultural zone but also a regions
that relies extremely heavily on tourism. So guess how well the tourist
information centre works in Innesfail helping/promoting local
businesses, how well the townships central business district is set up
in looks and its management?
Surely it gets lost of support from Katter, whose local political mates
are sitting and dominating the local government as well.

Ooooppps. It has NO tourist info centre! I talked to the locals looking
for it. The Katter mob found such unionist-leftist-Marxist-communist
thingy too wasteful to spend even a penny on so it was promptly closed
down well over a decade ago. Just what local job seekers need, eh?!
And I don't even get into the activities of the antivaxx, anti mask and
Covid conspiracy wankers home to that region. Etc...etc...etc..
(Sorry Fran, but I won't join your Bob Katter admiration club).

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On 21/09/2023 10:56 am, Ördög wrote:
> Ozix
>
>> Having a hissy fit over X not counting as No vote.
>> When will Clive be declared a vexatious litigant?
>
> The NO vote scare campaign/artificial outrage brigade (all those LNP
> "think tanks" and media/social media influencers must be working
> overtime to invent ever more bullshit about the Voice Referendum.
>
> My opinion on the Clive mob, on ON, and of course the LNP won't change
> further as it has always been sitting a the rock bottom level.
>
> But now I am getting fully disgusted by some of those "indigenous"
> politicians who have sold their souls to world of dog eat dog businesses
> and the LNP mob for pure personal gains (power, influence, money) and
> are spewing concocted rightwing propaganda about the benefits of the
> colonisation and how well they themselves are doing thanks to it.
> They downplay the fucking ugly racist dog whistles that is permeating
> the NO mob's campaign. These creeps are just bloody hypocrites who know
> well that what they propagate will only provide a huge setbacks to the
> Aboriginal cause.

That characterisation by you of the indigneous politicians supporting
the No vote appalls me and IMO, you are slandering them.

> Before some of you out there are getting all excited about me allegedly
> insinuating that a NO vote must necessarily amount to racism: I do NO
> such thing. I do realise that some of you for varying reasons bought
> into, at least partially, the manufactured pro NO vote arguments.

Well done. Such a prime example of how to be utterly patronising.
>
> Firstly to the argument that we should just let the states do whatever
> they think is the best on the needs and problems of indigenous people:
>
> I am not convinced at all about the benefits of "federalism" in our 21st
> century modern society. It only leads to added level party political
> bureaucracy creating inefficiencies at all levels of administering
> government functions. Let's face it...the existence of federal states
> are by now a fairly anachronistic institution. Australia could be
> governed by empowered local governments overseen by a slightly more
> elaborate Federal Parliament run Government.
> Nobody can make me believe that people located in different states need
> significantly different laws and government regulations when for all
> purposes we all live in the same country and society and facing
> basically similar or identical problems in our daily lives.
> Alas, I see no reason why Canberra suddenly should pass the buck to the
> states on indigenous affairs. Doing so only allows for the hard right to
> screw over/ignore/mismanage those poor people's needs even more.
>
> Secondly disunity among the indigenous people on how their should manage
> their own problems is no reason why we should refuse to grant them a
> federal *ADVISORY* body (Get it into your heads: advisory and NOT law
> making body).
> I find it truly patronising to suggest that they are not mature enough
> to manage agreements on what and how should suggestions to be put to
> that Federal Parliament for debates and decisions on their affairs.
> Sorry but those few elected indigenous representatives already there
> clearly devote their full time and interests pushing party politics so
> they basically DO NOT COUNT in this respect!
>
> Thirdly, the argument that the core problem for indigenous communities
> is the lack of local jobs is sadly a very valid point. I have seen that
> first hand on the ground.
> However, I have also seen first hand how some rightwing politicians
> mismanage their electoral districts interests...fully disgusting hypocrisy.
> For instance, take Far-North Queensland, within the region of Innisfail
> and the Cassowary Coast south of Cairns: Bob Katter country!
> YAY! Defending Jobs...jobs..jobs he does, eh?  ROTFLOL!
> This is not only a very productive agricultural zone but also a regions
> that relies extremely heavily on tourism. So guess how well the tourist
> information centre works in Innesfail helping/promoting local
> businesses, how well the townships central business district is set up
> in looks and its management?
> Surely it gets lost of support from Katter, whose local political mates
> are sitting and dominating the local government as well.
>
> Ooooppps. It has NO tourist info centre! I talked to the locals looking
> for it. The Katter mob found such unionist-leftist-Marxist-communist
> thingy too wasteful to spend even a penny on so it was promptly closed
> down well over a decade ago. Just what local job seekers need, eh?!
> And I don't even get into the activities of the antivaxx, anti mask and
> Covid conspiracy wankers home to that region. Etc...etc...etc..
> (Sorry Fran, but I won't join your Bob Katter admiration club).
>

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 04:31:11 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote
>
>> Having a hissy fit over X not counting as No vote.
>> When will Clive be declared a vexatious litigant?
>
>Not possible with political issues.
>
How do you spell no in Arabic "X"
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Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy;
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