No need to fear, Voldemort will come to the rescue...as soon as you give
him all the power over us muggles.

I have to credit him for his amazing Lie-beral ability to successful
divide the country along hard political lines yet again against a
referendum that would have required national unity for providing our
indigenous minority with much overdue constitutional recognition and the
ability to present their problems and proposed solutions to the Federal
Parliament directly for debate and eventual legislation.

Indeed have NO fear, Voldemort will solve all those issues instantly as
soon as you elect him as the strongman leader of OZ the next time
federal election comes around.
Or so he promises. I wonder just how soon after that election win would
he declare that this was just a non-core promise (a tactic invented by
his great predecessor, lying rodent gnome Howard), bugger those subhuman
savage Abos whom he really hates from the bottom of his Anglo-Celtic
supremacist dark heart.
But please do not take my word for it, this is where we are at today:

*What happens if Australia votes No to the Voice referendum? Peter
Dutton thinks Jacinta Price holds the answer*

/By David Speers; ABC News, Australia/
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-05/what-is-the-alternative-if-the-voice-fails-dutton-price/102934286>

"As the Voice referendum campaign grinds towards its final week, there's
at least now agreement on one thing: The current system isn't delivering
for Indigenous Australians.

"What we've got at the moment is not working," Opposition Leader Peter
Dutton acknowledged in Perth this week. It may be a statement of the
obvious, but this is also an important concession.

The Liberal leader accepts the need for a new and different approach to
deliver "a better situation for Indigenous Australians".

So, if the Voice isn't the solution, as Dutton argues, what is? How will
Australia tackle Indigenous disadvantage if the majority vote No to the
Voice on October 14? What is the alternative pathway?
Given the polls all suggest a No vote is the most likely outcome, the
answer is surprisingly unclear.

For his part, the prime minister doesn't want to canvass what might
happen in the event of a No vote, for the understandable reason that
he's still trying to convince as many people as possible to vote Yes.
If Australians ultimately reject the Voice proposal, Anthony Albanese
will have to come up with something. Doing nothing is untenable.

The greater obligation to spell out an alternative solution, however,
should be on Dutton right now, given he's the one advocating a No vote.
The opposition leader has certainly been effective in attacking the
Voice proposal, but what he thinks should be done instead remains vague
and constantly evolving. ...

....This week, Dutton settled on a far simpler solution for tackling the
problems of entrenched Indigenous disadvantage: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price.
I believe very strongly if Jacinta Price is the Minister for Indigenous
Australians, we will get better outcomes for Indigenous Australians and
that will be a great day for our country," he enthused. It's apparently
that easy.

The former Coalition minister for Indigenous Australians Ken Wyatt "was
full of good intent and did lots of good things", according to Dutton,
but he argues Price has a "practical understanding of what's going on in
communities", pointing to her lived experience in Alice Springs.

Dutton is putting great faith in his shadow minister, whose influence
within the Coalition has grown enormously through the course of this
campaign.
Price has endeared herself to conservative colleagues by railing against
the Voice. They cheered from the front row when she told the National
Press Club there are "no ongoing negative impacts of colonisation".

But beyond all that, how exactly would Price deliver "better outcomes"
for Indigenous Australians?
That's less clear. ..."
~~~

So there you have it folks...trust Voldemort, he sure has a magic
solution in offering you an ambitious political suck-up as the magic
wand who will make everything good instantly.
That is your choice to be gullible, live with it!

Anywho, for my part I offer NO such brain dead trust towards someone
like this semi fascist creep, nor any of his ambitious henchmen and
henchwomen.
Forget this lost cause for now and move on to the next looming battle front:

_Come 2025 if you still DO NOT KNOW .... VOTE NO!_

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On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:00:13 +1100, Ördög
<newsgroup.devil@Hell.Incorporated.biz> wrote:

>No need to fear, Voldemort will come to the rescue...as soon as you give
>him all the power over us muggles.
>
>I have to credit him for his amazing Lie-beral ability to successful
>divide the country along hard political lines yet again against a
>referendum that would have required national unity for providing our
>indigenous minority with much overdue constitutional recognition and the
>ability to present their problems and proposed solutions to the Federal
>Parliament directly for debate and eventual legislation.

Too much trouble.

Easier to lace the indigenous water supply with Oocyte poison.

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 9:00:18 AM UTC+11, Ördög wrote:
> No need to fear, Voldemort will come to the rescue...as soon as you give
> him all the power over us muggles.
>
Watch all the crying from the spoilt brat yes voters. Welcome to democracy
--
Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money. #Sir Ronald Millar
On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died
There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
#Margaret Thatcher

Petz...has emptied his Aldi sourced extra large Goon Bag in a single
sitting:

> Watch all the crying from the spoilt brat yes voters.

No time for crying ... the next Federal election campaign has just
started. Time to take off the gloves and crush Voldemort and his
deplorables. Hopefully Labor will now realise that bipartisanship is
impossible task with those subhuman scumbags in the opposition.
No need to waste time. Fight dirt with dirt, low blows with low blows.
Civility has been lost in this Advance Australia imported MAGA Trumpism
plagued environment.
All that counts is crushing your enemies, so let us get on with it!
And NOT just in politics, do it in your private lives. No more softly
softly and wasted appeals to the apparently completely absent good will
in your opponents!

What really sad was about this outcome that it did not have to be this
way. There used to be moderates who were willing to compromise for the
overall all good of society, helping to make even imperfect solution to
work somehow.. But thanks to mass media disinfo campaigns and the
Internet where such carefully concocted rubbish was fed to the in
endless dumps moderates were also duped into this far right bolstering
nonsense.

> Welcome to democracy

I'd say just the opposite was what we got this time.
(BTW readers of this newsgroup already know that Petz is a constantly
lying fully racist fascist-theocracy advocate who hate democracy with a
vengeance).

Welcome to the death of democracy. Corporate magnates and billionaires
instigated and financed propaganda campaigns igniting the worst
instincts in huge masses of miseducated and/or gullible punters has
proven that referendums are dead fish in the water.
Contemporary Anglophone countries have become utterly incapable of
implementing any progressive changes, which would require pushing party
politics to the back seat and working together for the common good.
US, UK, Australia are the worst examples of this decay in social cohesion.
MAGA Trumpism, UKIP-Brexiteers, UAP, ON, LPN are the manifestation of
this irreparable divisions in society. All they want is to crash their
enemies, nothing less nothing more. They want fascist outcomes and so
far they are on the right track towards succeeding.
I'd say bring it on. Let's do to them what they want to do to us.
No more leftist nice guys!

NOTE:
Your idiotic extremist and/or Xtian fundy hate propaganda and high
octane Goon-bag fumes induced fantasy sig (that quite often contains
uncredited, therefore clearly plagiarised material pinched from
countless alt-right sources) was flushed down the gurgler, as always,
without reading!

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The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.

Time a for a huge protest:

"What do we want ... *NOTHING!*"

"When do we want it ... *NOW!*"

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:15:32 AM UTC+11, Ördög wrote:
> Petz...has emptied his Aldi sourced extra large Goon Bag in a single
> sitting:
>
Don't drink wine, beer yes
>
> > Watch all the crying from the spoilt brat yes voters.
>
> No time for crying ... the next Federal election campaign has just
> started
..>
Looks like you are bawling, with brat screaming and stamping your feet
Doubt if Albo will get even 34% of vote next election,
his directions are offensively on the nose (very much like yours)!
--
Petzl
Ordog the Armchair communist
https://ibb.co/B2nG6Tb
As Red as a tomato and nutritious as strychnine
he is anti-system and anti-global capitalism.
That is why his No1 purpose in life is to fight
for mass immigration promoted by politicians and big business.
He attacks working class resistance with bricks and eggs
then go listen to a speech by the local MP about
how great diversity is.
He believes he is such a radical

Petz

> Ördög
>> Petz...has emptied his Aldi sourced extra large Goon Bag in a single
>> sitting:
>>
> Don't drink wine, beer yes

Lying again...you were the one who posted you jubilation at the huge and
dirt cheap GoonBag found in the Aldi store. No one is dumb enough to
believe that you did it because you don't drink wine. ROTFLOL!

>>
>>> Watch all the crying from the spoilt brat yes voters.
>>
>> No time for crying ... the next Federal election campaign has just
>> started
> .>
> Looks like you are ...

...I am already fighting the next bitter conflict:

There are times to wait patiently for common sense to prevail. There are
times for trying to be be a nice guy appealing to the good side of
people and hoping to win with solid policy and ideological arguments.
But these times are clearly NOT now as the OZ electorate has proven how
deep it is willing to sink in ignorance, indifference, envy and outright
racism similar to the US MAGA cultists.
I have never been a centrist nor a moderate, and now it is clearly time
to go on the offensive and counter the far-right by any means possible
otherwise we will end up exactly like the USA. Why would you expect me
to put up silently with all those lowlife political trash people while
remaining calm, complacent and subjugated facing that horrible prospect.

I am very sensitive to propaganda and try to stay away from it if
possible...but now it is counter propaganda time for me before it is too
late.
Labor has lost this referendum because it let its opponents roam free
spreading outright lies, misinformation and racist hate without any
proper counter. That can not be allowed to happen again at the next
Federal election. So bring on all the slogans and the counter
propaganda, let us slander and fight dirty, as that is the only language
the political right understands. Bipartisanship on anything ...
bah-humbug...they don't want it so why try to offer it at all!

>>>> 2025 <<<<
If you DO NOT KNOW >>>>>>> VOTE NO to all scumbag rightwingers
:-P :-P :-P

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"What do we want >>> NOTHING"

"When do we want it >>> NEVER"

On Monday, 16 October 2023 at 08:40:51 UTC+11, Ördög wrote:
Some nonsense, naturally - what else can a killfiling coward do?

Petz, starting a new chapter in his "Village Idiot Chronicles"

> Ördög
>> snip crazed commie loser rant

You still can't point to anything "commie" in my post which you snipped.
That is the very reason why you snipped it, eh Petz dear?

BTW as yet I have NOT lost anything. After all the NO outcome in the
referendum has any effect on me personally in any way.
Pity about all those indigenous people this exercise of paternalistic
colonial arrogance towards the subjugated has screwed over badly aided
by your idiotic contribution.

>>>>>> 2025 <<<<
>> If you DO NOT KNOW >>>>>>> VOTE NO to all scumbag rightwingers
>>

> Australia dud vote very solidly NO

Noticed! It had indeed duded even the most elementary form of human
compassion, respect, understanding and responsibility towards the sorry
plight of underprivileged indigenous people on this continent.
Well done...NOT!

> NSW Premier Chris Minns will be overriding that vote in NSW

RUBBISH. Stets can NOT amend the Federal constitution.
Try to sober up Petz dear before you post more confused nonsense.

> legislating an Indigenous Voice to NSW parliament despite
> Labor supporters across the state emphatically rejecting the idea
> of inserting a Voice into the constitution.

You actually have NO freaking idea what Labor voter want or support.
You don't speak for them ... not now and not ever.
Just stick to your toxic alt-right fringe which you can an do represent
perfectly.

> "NSW Premier leaves door open to state Voice despite referendum defeat"

Obviously you also do not understand the difference between the
Constitution and state legislation. Legislation can easily be ripped up
any time your ilk gets into the position of power while constitutional
changes are more resilient to day to day variations in politics.
Hence any legislative help Labor might try to enact for the benefit of
of Aboriginal people would be of a very transient nature.

Ask your minder for a detailed explanation! :-P :-P :-P

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