I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
> the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
> If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
> take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
> extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
> I cannot see why their consent would be needed.
>

https://www.blbsolicitors.co.uk/blog/ensuring-video-conferencing-is-gdpr-compliant/

On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:13:10 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
>> the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
>> If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
>> take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
>> extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
>> I cannot see why their consent would be needed.
>>
>https://www.blbsolicitors.co.uk/blog/ensuring-video-conferencing-is-gdpr-compliant/

Thanks for that but I am really questioning whether the audience are
'participants' if they are muted and off screen. If the main speaker
is recorded (with consent) does the Zoom recording then contain any
recoverable data - images or participant names - of anyone else?

In article <768ssg93ma1ovf0aa2tj8l1c00834jio62@4ax.com>,
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:13:10 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

> >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
> >> the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
> >> If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
> >> take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
> >> extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
> >> I cannot see why their consent would be needed.
> >>
> >https://www.blbsolicitors.co.uk/blog/ensuring-video-conferencing-is-gdpr-compliant/

> Thanks for that but I am really questioning whether the audience are
> 'participants' if they are muted and off screen. If the main speaker
> is recorded (with consent) does the Zoom recording then contain any
> recoverable data - images or participant names - of anyone else?

probably their email addresses.

--
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On 21:15 30 Dec 2021, Scott said:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:13:10 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because
>>> of the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering
>>> about this. If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no
>>> interventions take place (because everyone is muted), would it be
>>> possible to extract the names of all the participants from the
>>> recording? If not, I cannot see why their consent would be
>>> needed.
>>>
>>https://www.blbsolicitors.co.uk/blog/ensuring-video-conferencing-is-g
>>dpr-compliant/
>
> Thanks for that but I am really questioning whether the audience are
> 'participants' if they are muted and off screen. If the main
> speaker is recorded (with consent) does the Zoom recording then
> contain any recoverable data - images or participant names - of
> anyone else?

Maybe you can view the situation from the other end.

As I understand it (IANAL) the GDPR does not apply to individuals
collecting data for personal use, including a Zoom conference.

On the other hand, there may be another regulation which prohibits
recording such as copyright or who knows what.

Well, I just think its polite in the end to ask.
However having said that my truecall device is set by default to record all
phone calls on a 60 hour sd card, which is very handy when you need to prove
your point or check up on some info gabbled down the phone.
Zoom forces the people on the meeting to know its being recorded, or at
least my screenreader reads that caption to me when the recording starts.
I could of course record the whole thing in secret by using virtual
recorder running on my pc.
Brian

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"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ul3ssgd63gfs7e992qnqvb33fgctdkbqt0@4ax.com...
>I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
> the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
> If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
> take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
> extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
> I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:

> I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
> the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
> If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
> take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
> extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
> I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone
(provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
fancy Zoom thing?

The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.

Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.

--
Max Demian

In article <jM-dnVYBt58gh1L8nZ2dnUU78TvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:

> > I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
> > the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
> > If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
> > take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
> > extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
> > I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

> Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone
> (provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
> them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
> fancy Zoom thing?

> The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.

> Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.

Most 'rights' are given by Parliament.

Remember, Zoom is American where the courts (or at least the juries) seem
not to be on the side of big business.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article <jM-dnVYBt58gh1L8nZ2dnUU78TvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Max
Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:

> > I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
> > the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
> > If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
> > take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
> > extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
> > I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

> Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone
> (provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
> them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
> fancy Zoom thing?

What 'rights' do you then have wrt using the recording you made of a
"conversation with anyone" without their permission?

> The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.

> Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.

Erm, legally, our 'rights' are what we have under the law of where we are.
And I assume both the 'authorities' and these laws vary from country to
country. However...

Does not someone who was recorded without their permission also have some
'rights' wrt what use you then can make of the recording, or who you allow
to see/hear it?

I'm asking because I don't know. But I'd have assumed the person recorded
without their permission *also* has some relevant 'rights' here.

Jim

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On Thursday, 30 December 2021 at 19:59:51 UTC, Scott wrote:
> I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
> the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
> If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
> take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
> extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
> I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

Rascals have always cited DPA and now GDPR for over zealousness.

Obviously everyone knows they will be on the zoom call and you just make it a condition of joining that if you do you may be recorded.

On 31/12/2021 15:22, charles wrote:
> In article <jM-dnVYBt58gh1L8nZ2dnUU78TvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
> Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:
>
>>> I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
>>> the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
>>> If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
>>> take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
>>> extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
>>> I cannot see why their consent would be needed.
>
>> Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone
>> (provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
>> them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
>> fancy Zoom thing?
>
>> The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.
>
>> Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.
>
> Most 'rights' are given by Parliament.

No, they are taken away.

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On 31/12/2021 15:33, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <jM-dnVYBt58gh1L8nZ2dnUU78TvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Max
> Demian
> <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:
>
>>> I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
>>> the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
>>> If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
>>> take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
>>> extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
>>> I cannot see why their consent would be needed.
>
>> Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone
>> (provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
>> them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
>> fancy Zoom thing?
>
> What 'rights' do you then have wrt using the recording you made of a
> "conversation with anyone" without their permission?
>
>> The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.
>
>> Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.
>
> Erm, legally, our 'rights' are what we have under the law of where we are.
> And I assume both the 'authorities' and these laws vary from country to
> country. However...
>
> Does not someone who was recorded without their permission also have some
> 'rights' wrt what use you then can make of the recording, or who you allow
> to see/hear it?
>
> I'm asking because I don't know. But I'd have assumed the person recorded
> without their permission *also* has some relevant 'rights' here.

I "record" every word in my memory.

I can recall, and tell, everything I hear to anyone.

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In article <0dadnRaOQ8IqqlL8nZ2dnUU78YOdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Max
Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > Erm, legally, our 'rights' are what we have under the law of where we
> > are. And I assume both the 'authorities' and these laws vary from
> > country to country. However...
> >
> > Does not someone who was recorded without their permission also have
> > some 'rights' wrt what use you then can make of the recording, or who
> > you allow to see/hear it?
> >
> > I'm asking because I don't know. But I'd have assumed the person
> > recorded without their permission *also* has some relevant 'rights'
> > here.

> I "record" every word in my memory.

> I can recall, and tell, everything I hear to anyone.

Someone 'can' also exceed the speed limit if you decide to drive fast
enough to do so. But being able to do something doesn't ensure they won't
then fall foul of the law and end up being found guilty as a result,
possibly leading to punishment. So, alas, your assertions don't really
answer my questions.

Jim

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