<https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn-richard-lutz>

Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid on
all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the months
of June, July and August.

Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
€9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
within the last week.

At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was responsible
for which of these two decisions.

Rolf

On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

><https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn-richard-lutz>
>
>Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid on
>all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the months
>of June, July and August.
>
>Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
>€9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>within the last week.

That's a far better deal than the half-baked, gimmicky Shapps deal we were offered here.

>
>At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-legal
>minimum for three months "to help the poor car drivers survive the
>war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was responsible
>for which of these two decisions.

Green and Red, respectively?

Now that Germany wants to phase out Putin's oil altogether, will there be some permanent reduction in tax on petrol and
diesel?

On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:

> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn-richard-lutz>
>
>
> Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid on
> all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the months
> of June, July and August.
>
> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
> automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
> €9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
> within the last week.
>
> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
> war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was responsible
> for which of these two decisions.
>
> Rolf

There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
these tickets.

DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services. The easy
distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
the latter red with a white stripe.

There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany). For
whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
Württemberg where they are).

Robin

In message <t75iu5$4lj$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:23:17 on Tue, 31 May
2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>
>>
>><https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn
>>-richard-lutz> Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday
>>rover" ticket valid on all regional trains and busses for €9 per
>>calendar month for the months of June, July and August.
>> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>>rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>>automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
>>€9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>>within the last week.
>> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>>minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>>war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was
>>responsible for which of these two decisions.
>> Rolf
>
>There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
>these tickets.
>
>DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
>IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
>run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services. The easy
>distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
>the latter red with a white stripe.
>
>There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
>lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
>and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
>separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
>are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany). For
>whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
>routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
>Württemberg where they are).

I was never sure which trains the local commuter tickets were available
on, between Schiphol and Centraal. Obviously(?) not Thalys, but there
are other express services too.
--
Roland Perry

On 31.05.2022 19:23, Bob wrote:
> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>
>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn-richard-lutz>
>>
>>
>> Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid
>> on all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the
>> months of June, July and August.
>>
>> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations  buying their
>> €9-Tickets in long queues.  DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>> within the last week.
>>
>> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>> war".  Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was
>> responsible for which of these two decisions.
>>
>> Rolf
>
> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
> these tickets.
>
> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
> IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
> run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services.  The easy
> distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
> the latter red with a white stripe.
>
> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
> lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
> and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
> separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
> are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany).  For
> whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
> routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
> Württemberg where they are).
>
> Robin
>
This anomaly has caused a lot of confusion and irritation. The regional
government here is in negotiations with Deutsche Bahn with the aim of
agreeing a similar solution to that in Baden-Württemberg.

I would hope there is some form of resolution as I am planning to have a
trip to the North Sea over the next few weeks.

The fact that this ticket covers (almost) all forms of public transport
makes it very attractive.

Am 31.05.2022 um 13:06 schrieb Recliner:
> On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel
> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn-richard-lutz>
>>
>>
>>
Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid on
>> all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the
>> months of June, July and August.
>>
>> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into
>> these rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
>> €9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these
>> tickets within the last week.
>
> That's a far better deal than the half-baked, gimmicky Shapps deal we
> were offered here.
>
>>
>> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to
>> EU-legal minimum for three months "to help the poor car drivers
>> survive the war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition
>> was responsible for which of these two decisions.
>
> Green and Red, respectively?

The tax reduction on petrol and diesel was promised to the public by the
Chancellor (in Gemrany: Secretary for Finances) of the "yellow"
Tax-reduction Party FDP (liberal Democrats) even before this had been
agreed inside the government.

The Greens insisted on a public transport subsidy as their condition on
accepting the tax reduction (which is the opposite of what was written
into the Coalition agreement).

> Now that Germany wants to phase out Putin's oil altogether, will
> there be some permanent reduction in tax on petrol and diesel?

I doubt that the Green Party would be able to survive this. The green
Party have pledged to increase petrol taxes in their party manifestos
since IIRC 1998 (a minor annual increase was accepted around 2000 with
the aim of supporting retirement benefits and stopped by the red
coalition partner as soon as oil prices started rising a few years later).

Rolf

Op 1-6-2022 om 8:11 schreef Roland Perry:
> In message <t75iu5$4lj$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:23:17 on Tue, 31 May
> 2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn
>>> -richard-lutz>    Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday
>>> rover" ticket valid on  all regional trains and busses for €9 per
>>> calendar month for the months  of June, July and August.
>>>  Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>>> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations  buying their
>>> €9-Tickets in long queues.  DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>>> within the last week.
>>>  At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>>> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>>> war".  Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was
>>> responsible  for which of these two decisions.
>>>  Rolf
>>
>> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
>> these tickets.
>>
>> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
>> IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
>> run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services.  The easy
>> distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
>> the latter red with a white stripe.
>>
>> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
>> lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train
>> service, and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are
>> given a separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and
>> regional tickets are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive
>> in Germany).  For whatever reason, although normal local fares are
>> accepted on these routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one
>> route in Baden Württemberg where they are).
>
> I was never sure which trains the local commuter tickets were available
> on, between Schiphol and Centraal. Obviously(?) not Thalys, but there
> are other express services too.

That's not in Germany, since 1945....

Train tickets in The Netherlands are valid on all trains without
reservation,
except on Thalys, Eurostar, ICE, Intercity Direct and some special
trains to foreign countries, like Nightsleepers.

Intercity Direct are the high-speed trains from NS on the route
Amsterdam Centraal - Schiphol Airport - Rotterdam Centraal - Breda.
I'm not sure if they are valid or not, on the Intercity Direct between
Amsterdam and Schiphol, because that's no high speed line.

Rink

Op 31-5-2022 om 19:23 schreef Bob:
> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>
>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn-richard-lutz>
>>
>>
>> Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid
>> on all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the
>> months of June, July and August.

to be exactly: all "Nahverkehr",
Busses, Trams, metro (U-bahn), S-bahn, RE and RB.

Not valid on long distance trains like ICE and IC and Thalys.

>>
>> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations  buying their
>> €9-Tickets in long queues.  DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>> within the last week.
>>
>> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>> war".  Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was
>> responsible for which of these two decisions.
>>
>> Rolf
>
> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
> these tickets.
>
> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher,

Fernverkehr

> that runs the
> IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
> run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services.  The easy
> distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
> the latter red with a white stripe.
>
> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
> lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
> and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
> separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
> are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany).  For
> whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
> routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
> Württemberg where they are).
>
> Robin
>

In message <t78kqr$ffs$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:14:00 on Wed, 1 Jun 2022,
Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> remarked:
>Op 1-6-2022 om 8:11 schreef Roland Perry:
>> In message <t75iu5$4lj$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:23:17 on Tue, 31 May
>>2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>>> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn
>>>> -richard-lutz>    Germany is introducing a kind of "summer
>>>>holiday rover" ticket valid on  all regional trains and busses for
>>>>calendar month for the months  of June, July and August.
>>>>  Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into
>>>>these rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>>>>automatically), others rush to the railway stations  buying their
>>>>€9-Tickets in long queues.  DB has sold 2.7 million of these
>>>>tickets within the last week.
>>>>  At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to
>>>>EU-lagal minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres
>>>>survise the war".  Guess which party of the traffic-light
>>>>coalition was responsible  for which of these two decisions.
>>>>  Rolf
>>>
>>> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity
>>>of these tickets.
>>>
>>> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs
>>>the IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio
>>>organisations, that run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB)
>>>services.  The easy distinction is that the former trains are white
>>>with a red stripe and the latter red with a white stripe.
>>>
>>> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate
>>>over lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train
>>>service, and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are
>>>given a separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and
>>>regional tickets are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive
>>>in Germany).  For whatever reason, although normal local fares are
>>>accepted on these routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one
>>>route in Baden Württemberg where they are).

>> I was never sure which trains the local commuter tickets were
>>available on, between Schiphol and Centraal. Obviously(?) not Thalys,
>>but there are other express services too.
>
>That's not in Germany, since 1945....

I didn't say it was.

>Train tickets in The Netherlands are valid on all trains without
>reservation,

There now follows an impressive laundry list of exceptions...

>except on Thalys, Eurostar, ICE, Intercity Direct and some special
>trains to foreign countries, like Nightsleepers.

Any of those, German trains???

>Intercity Direct are the high-speed trains from NS on the route
>Amsterdam Centraal - Schiphol Airport - Rotterdam Centraal - Breda.
>I'm not sure if they are valid or not, on the Intercity Direct between
>Amsterdam and Schiphol, because that's no high speed line.

So even you might be troubled about getting one from Schiphol to
Centraal?
--
Roland Perry

On 2022-06-02 05:39:18 +0000, Roland Perry said:

> In message <t78kqr$ffs$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:14:00 on Wed, 1 Jun
> 2022, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> remarked:
>> Op 1-6-2022 om 8:11 schreef Roland Perry:
>>> In message <t75iu5$4lj$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:23:17 on Tue, 31 May
>>> 2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>>>> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn
>>>>> -richard-lutz>    Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday
>>>>> rover" ticket valid on  all regional trains and busses for calendar
>>>>> month for the months  of June, July and August.
>>>>>  Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>>>>> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>>>>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations  buying their
>>>>> €9-Tickets in long queues.  DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>>>>> within the last week.
>>>>>  At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>>>>> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>>>>> war".  Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was
>>>>> responsible  for which of these two decisions.
>>>>>  Rolf
>>>>
>>>> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
>>>> these tickets.
>>>>
>>>> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
>>>> IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
>>>> run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services.  The easy
>>>> distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
>>>> the latter red with a white stripe.
>>>>
>>>> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
>>>> lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
>>>> and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
>>>> separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
>>>> are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany).  For
>>>> whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
>>>> routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
>>>> Württemberg where they are).
>
>>> I was never sure which trains the local commuter tickets were available
>>> on, between Schiphol and Centraal. Obviously(?) not Thalys, but there
>>> are other express services too.
>>
>> That's not in Germany, since 1945....
>
> I didn't say it was.

All of the context in the thread was Germany specific, so without
explicit quilification that would be the natural expectation.

>> Train tickets in The Netherlands are valid on all trains without reservation,
>
> There now follows an impressive laundry list of exceptions...

All of which are either specific High Speed services or sleeper trains,
so have something clearly in common

>> except on Thalys, Eurostar, ICE, Intercity Direct and some special
>> trains to foreign countries, like Nightsleepers.
>
> Any of those, German trains???

ICE (though some sets are owned/part owned by NS).

Robin

In message <t79qhu$1in$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:57:48 on Thu, 2 Jun 2022,
Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>On 2022-06-02 05:39:18 +0000, Roland Perry said:
>
>> In message <t78kqr$ffs$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:14:00 on Wed, 1 Jun
>>2022, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> remarked:
>>> Op 1-6-2022 om 8:11 schreef Roland Perry:
>>>> In message <t75iu5$4lj$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:23:17 on Tue, 31 May
>>>>2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>>>>> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn
>>>>>> -richard-lutz>    Germany is introducing a kind of "summer
>>>>>>holiday rover" ticket valid on  all regional trains and busses
>>>>>>for calendar month for the months  of June, July and August.
>>>>>>  Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into
>>>>>>these rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced
>>>>>>price automatically), others rush to the railway stations 
>>>>>>buying their €9-Tickets in long queues.  DB has sold 2.7
>>>>>>million of these tickets within the last week.
>>>>>>  At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to
>>>>>>EU-lagal minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres
>>>>>>survise the war".  Guess which party of the traffic-light
>>>>>>coalition was responsible  for which of these two decisions.
>>>>>>  Rolf
>>>>> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the
>>>>>validity of these tickets.
>>>>> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that
>>>>>runs the IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio
>>>>>organisations, that run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB)
>>>>>services.  The easy distinction is that the former trains are
>>>>>white with a red stripe and the latter red with a white stripe.
>>>>> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate
>>>>>over lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red
>>>>>train service, and for the portions of these routes, the white
>>>>>trains are given a separate RE number in addition to their IC
>>>>>number, and regional tickets are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are
>>>>>more expensive in Germany).  For whatever reason, although normal
>>>>>local fares are accepted on these routes, the EUR 9 specials are
>>>>>not (except for one route in Baden Württemberg where they are).
>>
>>>> I was never sure which trains the local commuter tickets were
>>>>available on, between Schiphol and Centraal. Obviously(?) not
>>>>Thalys, but there are other express services too.

>>> That's not in Germany, since 1945....

>> I didn't say it was.
>
>All of the context in the thread was Germany specific, so without
>explicit quilification that would be the natural expectation.

Only if you think I'm completely clueless about European Geography,
which would be absurd; or if you haven't heard of "thread drift", which
is apparently slightly more possible.

>>> Train tickets in The Netherlands are valid on all trains without
>>>reservation,

>> There now follows an impressive laundry list of exceptions...
>
>All of which are either specific High Speed services or sleeper trains,
>so have something clearly in common

The question remains, however: how is someone straight off the plane at
Schiphol supposed to know if they are allowed to travel on them to
Centraal?

>>> except on Thalys, Eurostar, ICE, Intercity Direct and some special
>>>trains to foreign countries, like Nightsleepers.

>> Any of those, German trains???
>
>ICE (though some sets are owned/part owned by NS).

To wrap this up, would my Schiphol-Centraal ticket be valid on it, and
how am I supposed to know.
--
Roland Perry

[Replying to this post in the thread generates an error message for some
reason, so I'm copying and pasting my reply here in case it works better]

Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>
>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn-richard-lutz>
>>
>>
>> Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid on
>> all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the months
>> of June, July and August.
>>
>> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
>> €9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>> within the last week.
>>
>> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>> war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was responsible
>> for which of these two decisions.
>>
>
> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
> these tickets.
>
> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
> IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
> run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services. The easy
> distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
> the latter red with a white stripe.
>
> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
> lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
> and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
> separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
> are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany). For
> whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
> routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
> Württemberg where they are).
>

It's interesting to compare that with, for example, the gWr network, where
west of Didcot, the IC trains are either the only service, or make the same
calls as the R/RE trains. Reading-Taunton being the only major exception.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message <t7cspf$p9k$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:23 on Fri, 3 Jun 2022,
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>[Replying to this post in the thread generates an error message for some
>reason, so I'm copying and pasting my reply here in case it works better]
>
>Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>>
>>>
>>><https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bah
>>>n-richard-lutz>
>>>
>>>
>>> Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid on
>>> all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the months
>>> of June, July and August.
>>>
>>> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>>> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
>>> €9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>>> within the last week.
>>>
>>> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>>> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>>> war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was responsible
>>> for which of these two decisions.
>>>
>>
>> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
>> these tickets.
>>
>> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
>> IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
>> run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services. The easy
>> distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
>> the latter red with a white stripe.
>>
>> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
>> lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
>> and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
>> separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
>> are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany). For
>> whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
>> routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
>> Württemberg where they are).
>
>It's interesting to compare that with, for example, the gWr network, where
>west of Didcot, the IC trains are either the only service, or make the same
>calls as the R/RE trains. Reading-Taunton being the only major exception.

There's many gaps on other main lines. Off the top of my head, Kettering
to Leicester, Grantham to Doncaster and Crewe to Wigan all only having
InterCity[tm] trains.

For now I'll classify XC-lite (and TPE) as *not* Intercity.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t7cspf$p9k$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:23 on Fri, 3 Jun 2022,
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> [Replying to this post in the thread generates an error message for some
>> reason, so I'm copying and pasting my reply here in case it works better]
>>
>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bah
>>>> n-richard-lutz>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid on
>>>> all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the months
>>>> of June, July and August.
>>>>
>>>> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>>>> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>>>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
>>>> €9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>>>> within the last week.
>>>>
>>>> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>>>> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>>>> war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was responsible
>>>> for which of these two decisions.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
>>> these tickets.
>>>
>>> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
>>> IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
>>> run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services. The easy
>>> distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
>>> the latter red with a white stripe.
>>>
>>> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
>>> lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
>>> and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
>>> separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
>>> are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany). For
>>> whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
>>> routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
>>> Württemberg where they are).
>>
>> It's interesting to compare that with, for example, the gWr network, where
>> west of Didcot, the IC trains are either the only service, or make the same
>> calls as the R/RE trains. Reading-Taunton being the only major exception.
>
> There's many gaps on other main lines. Off the top of my head, Kettering
> to Leicester, Grantham to Doncaster and Crewe to Wigan all only having
> InterCity[tm] trains.
>
> For now I'll classify XC-lite (and TPE) as *not* Intercity.

How many other situations are there similar to the north and south Cotswold
lines, where the entirety [1] of the hourly all-stops service, then run
express through to London?

[1] two exceptions on each line per day, IIRC

Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message <t7d2cd$5dv$2@dont-email.me>, at 13:29:49 on Fri, 3 Jun 2022,
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <t7cspf$p9k$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:23 on Fri, 3 Jun 2022,
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>> [Replying to this post in the thread generates an error message for some
>>> reason, so I'm copying and pasting my reply here in case it works better]
>>>
>>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bah
>>>>> n-richard-lutz>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid on
>>>>> all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the months
>>>>> of June, July and August.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>>>>> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>>>>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
>>>>> €9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>>>>> within the last week.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>>>>> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>>>>> war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was responsible
>>>>> for which of these two decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
>>>> these tickets.
>>>>
>>>> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
>>>> IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
>>>> run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services. The easy
>>>> distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
>>>> the latter red with a white stripe.
>>>>
>>>> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
>>>> lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
>>>> and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
>>>> separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
>>>> are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany). For
>>>> whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
>>>> routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
>>>> Württemberg where they are).
>>>
>>> It's interesting to compare that with, for example, the gWr network, where
>>> west of Didcot, the IC trains are either the only service, or make the same
>>> calls as the R/RE trains. Reading-Taunton being the only major exception.
>>
>> There's many gaps on other main lines. Off the top of my head, Kettering
>> to Leicester, Grantham to Doncaster and Crewe to Wigan all only having
>> InterCity[tm] trains.
>>
>> For now I'll classify XC-lite (and TPE) as *not* Intercity.
>
>How many other situations are there similar to the north and south Cotswold
>lines, where the entirety [1] of the hourly all-stops service, then run
>express through to London?

Where are they [almost all] non-stop from? Oxford perhaps.

>[1] two exceptions on each line per day, IIRC
--
Roland Perry

Am 03.06.2022 um 15:29 schrieb Anna Noyd-Dryver:
> How many other situations are there similar to the north and south Cotswold
> lines, where the entirety [1] of the hourly all-stops service, then run
> express through to London?

We have similar situations in Germany where some regional service turns
into an "Express" as soon as it reaches S-Bahn territory, e.g. the RB
Heidelberg - Frankfurt turings into "Express" north of Darmstadt.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t7d2cd$5dv$2@dont-email.me>, at 13:29:49 on Fri, 3 Jun 2022,
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <t7cspf$p9k$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:23 on Fri, 3 Jun 2022,
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>> [Replying to this post in the thread generates an error message for some
>>>> reason, so I'm copying and pasting my reply here in case it works better]
>>>>
>>>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bah
>>>>>> n-richard-lutz>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday rover" ticket valid on
>>>>>> all regional trains and busses for €9 per calendar month for the months
>>>>>> of June, July and August.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into these
>>>>>> rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>>>>>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations buying their
>>>>>> €9-Tickets in long queues. DB has sold 2.7 million of these tickets
>>>>>> within the last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to EU-lagal
>>>>>> minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres survise the
>>>>>> war". Guess which party of the traffic-light coalition was responsible
>>>>>> for which of these two decisions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity of
>>>>> these tickets.
>>>>>
>>>>> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs the
>>>>> IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio organisations, that
>>>>> run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB) services. The easy
>>>>> distinction is that the former trains are white with a red stripe and
>>>>> the latter red with a white stripe.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate over
>>>>> lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train service,
>>>>> and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are given a
>>>>> separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and regional tickets
>>>>> are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive in Germany). For
>>>>> whatever reason, although normal local fares are accepted on these
>>>>> routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one route in Baden
>>>>> Württemberg where they are).
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting to compare that with, for example, the gWr network, where
>>>> west of Didcot, the IC trains are either the only service, or make the same
>>>> calls as the R/RE trains. Reading-Taunton being the only major exception.
>>>
>>> There's many gaps on other main lines. Off the top of my head, Kettering
>>> to Leicester, Grantham to Doncaster and Crewe to Wigan all only having
>>> InterCity[tm] trains.
>>>
>>> For now I'll classify XC-lite (and TPE) as *not* Intercity.
>>
>> How many other situations are there similar to the north and south Cotswold
>> lines, where the entirety [1] of the hourly all-stops service, then run
>> express through to London?
>
> Where are they [almost all] non-stop from? Oxford perhaps.
>

North Cotswold usually [all stops]-Oxford-Reading-[Slough]-Padd

South Cotswold [all stops]-Swindon-Didcot-Reading-Padd

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
> Am 03.06.2022 um 15:29 schrieb Anna Noyd-Dryver:
>> How many other situations are there similar to the north and south Cotswold
>> lines, where the entirety [1] of the hourly all-stops service, then run
>> express through to London?
>
> We have similar situations in Germany where some regional service turns
> into an "Express" as soon as it reaches S-Bahn territory, e.g. the RB
> Heidelberg - Frankfurt turings into "Express" north of Darmstadt.
>

Thanks!

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 03/06/2022 16:52, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 03.06.2022 um 15:29 schrieb Anna Noyd-Dryver:
>> How many other situations are there similar to the north and south
>> Cotswold
>> lines, where the entirety [1] of the hourly all-stops service, then run
>> express through to London?
>
> We have similar situations in Germany where some regional service turns
> into an "Express" as soon as it reaches S-Bahn territory, e.g. the RB
> Heidelberg - Frankfurt turings into "Express" north of Darmstadt.

Or from Frankfurt an der Oder to Berlin? What about regional rail
service from Szczecin to Berlin?

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> [Replying to this post in the thread generates an error message for some
> reason, so I'm copying and pasting my reply here in case it works better]

I’ve been unable to reply either. Let’s see if this one goes…

Sam

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[I’ve been unable to reply to this with the original Subject: line (“441
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empty content line)”) so I’m trying removing the Euro character]

[Nope, wasn’t that. Let’s try some of those Re:s]

[Or maybe the apostrophe]

[Or just retype the subject completely]

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t79qhu$1in$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:57:48 on Thu, 2 Jun 2022,
> Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>> On 2022-06-02 05:39:18 +0000, Roland Perry said:
>>
>>> In message <t78kqr$ffs$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:14:00 on Wed, 1 Jun
>>> 2022, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> remarked:
>
>>>> Train tickets in The Netherlands are valid on all trains without
>>>> reservation,
>
>>> There now follows an impressive laundry list of exceptions...
>>
>> All of which are either specific High Speed services or sleeper trains,
>> so have something clearly in common
>
> The question remains, however: how is someone straight off the plane at
> Schiphol supposed to know if they are allowed to travel on them to
> Centraal?
>
>>>> except on Thalys, Eurostar, ICE, Intercity Direct and some special
>>>> trains to foreign countries, like Nightsleepers.
>
>>> Any of those, German trains???
>>
>> ICE (though some sets are owned/part owned by NS).
>
> To wrap this up, would my Schiphol-Centraal ticket be valid on it, and
> how am I supposed to know.

You could try buying a ticket.
<https://www.ns.nl/en/journeyplanner/#/?vertrek=Schiphol%20Airport&vertrektype=treinstation&aankomst=Amsterdam%20Centraal&aankomsttype=treinstation&type=vertrek&tijd=2022-06-02T17:19&context=arnu%7CfromStation%3D8400561%7CtoStation%3D8400058%7CplannedFromTime%3D2022-06-02T17:38:00%2B02:00%7CplannedArrivalTime%3D2022-06-02T17:52:00%2B02:00%7CyearCard%3Dfalse%7CexcludeHighSpeedTrains%3Dfalse%7CsearchForAccessibleTrip%3Dfalse%7CaddChangeTime%3D0&ritnummers=945>
(yes, I know that’s ridiculous but you should be able to find something
similar from <https://www.ns.nl/en>) says that almost all the trains around
now are Sprinter or Intercity direct, and they’re all the same price. The
exception is Thalys for which it says a reservation is required and it
can’t give a price.

Sam

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Op 2-6-2022 om 7:39 schreef Roland Perry:
> In message <t78kqr$ffs$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:14:00 on Wed, 1 Jun 2022,
> Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> remarked:
>> Op 1-6-2022 om 8:11 schreef Roland Perry:
>>> In message <t75iu5$4lj$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:23:17 on Tue, 31 May
>>> 2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>>>> On 2022-05-30 16:13:51 +0000, Rolf Mantel said:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2022-05/neun-euro-tickets-deutsche-bahn
>>>>>
>>>>> -richard-lutz>    Germany is introducing a kind of "summer holiday
>>>>> rover" ticket valid on  all regional trains and busses for calendar
>>>>> month for the months  of June, July and August.
>>>>>  Regular commuters have their normal seaons tickets turned into
>>>>> these  rover tickets (and get their season tickets at reduced price
>>>>> automatically), others rush to the railway stations  buying their
>>>>> €9-Tickets in long queues.  DB has sold 2.7 million of these
>>>>> tickets within the last week.
>>>>>  At the same time, taxes on Petrol and Diesel are reduced to
>>>>> EU-lagal  minimum for three months "to help the poor car driveres
>>>>> survise the  war".  Guess which party of the traffic-light
>>>>> coalition was  responsible  for which of these two decisions.
>>>>>  Rolf
>>>>
>>>> There seems to be some to-do over some edge cases for the validity
>>>> of  these tickets.
>>>>
>>>> DB is split into several divisions, notably Vernverkher, that runs
>>>> the  IC and ICE networks, and several regional DB Regio
>>>> organisations, that  run the local and regional (IRE, RE and RB)
>>>> services.  The easy  distinction is that the former trains are white
>>>> with a red stripe and  the latter red with a white stripe.
>>>>
>>>> There are a handful of routes, though, where white trains operate
>>>> over  lines where it doesn't make sense to have a separate red train
>>>> service, and for the portions of these routes, the white trains are
>>>> given a separate RE number in addition to their IC number, and
>>>> regional tickets are accepted (IC and ICE tickets are more expensive
>>>> in Germany).  For whatever reason, although normal local fares are
>>>> accepted on these routes, the EUR 9 specials are not (except for one
>>>> route in Baden Württemberg where they are).
>
>>>  I was never sure which trains the local commuter tickets were
>>> available  on, between Schiphol and Centraal. Obviously(?) not
>>> Thalys, but there  are other express services too.
>>
>> That's not in Germany, since 1945....
>
> I didn't say it was.
>
>> Train tickets in The Netherlands are valid on all trains without
>> reservation,
>
> There now follows an impressive laundry list of exceptions...

Thalys: one per hour or less
Eurostar: a few per day
ICE: one per two hours
Intercity Direct: 4 per hour
Sleep trains: one per day or less

Compared to:
Intercity (differs per route): 2 to 6 per hour
Sprinter (differs per route): 2 to 6 per hour

>
>> except on Thalys, Eurostar, ICE, Intercity Direct and some special
>> trains to foreign countries, like Nightsleepers.
>
> Any of those, German trains???

Why this question?
You were talking about Schiphol - Amsterdam, of which I said that's not
in Germany.

I think it's strange to ask a question about the price of a train in The
Netherlands in a thread about a temporary special fare for trains in
Germany.
Please start a new thread. You will get more answers.

>
>> Intercity Direct are the high-speed trains from NS on the route
>> Amsterdam Centraal - Schiphol Airport - Rotterdam Centraal - Breda.
>> I'm not sure if they are valid or not, on the Intercity Direct between
>> Amsterdam and Schiphol, because that's no high speed line.
>
> So even you might be troubled about getting one from Schiphol to Centraal?

There are eight stations called "Centraal", each in another city.
Amersfoort Centraal
Amsterdam Centraal
Arnhem Centraal
Den Haag Centraal
Eindhoven Centraal
Leiden Centraal
Rotterdam Centraal
Utrecht Centraal
All of them have direct intercity trains to Schiphol.
Some of them also Sprinter trains.

Sam,
thanks for looking up the price of Intercity Direct to Amsterdam Centraal.

Rink

In message <t7dao3$c5s$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:52:37 on Fri, 3 Jun 2022,
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> remarked:
>Am 03.06.2022 um 15:29 schrieb Anna Noyd-Dryver:
>> How many other situations are there similar to the north and south Cotswold
>> lines, where the entirety [1] of the hourly all-stops service, then run
>> express through to London?
>
>We have similar situations in Germany where some regional service turns
>into an "Express" as soon as it reaches S-Bahn territory, e.g. the RB
>Heidelberg - Frankfurt turings into "Express" north of Darmstadt.

Using those definitions of "Regional" and "Express", then the MML fast
services change personality at Leicester.

--
Roland Perry

In message <t7dvqc$mke$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:52:12 on Fri, 3 Jun 2022,
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>[I’ve been unable to reply to this with the original Subject: line (“441
>Invalid syntax encountered in Subject header field body (unexpected byte or
>empty content line)”) so I’m trying removing the Euro character]
>
>[Nope, wasn’t that. Let’s try some of those Re:s]
>
>[Or maybe the apostrophe]
>
>[Or just retype the subject completely]
>
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <t79qhu$1in$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:57:48 on Thu, 2 Jun 2022,
>> Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>>> On 2022-06-02 05:39:18 +0000, Roland Perry said:
>>>
>>>> In message <t78kqr$ffs$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:14:00 on Wed, 1 Jun
>>>> 2022, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> remarked:
>>
>>>>> Train tickets in The Netherlands are valid on all trains without
>>>>> reservation,
>>
>>>> There now follows an impressive laundry list of exceptions...
>>>
>>> All of which are either specific High Speed services or sleeper trains,
>>> so have something clearly in common
>>
>> The question remains, however: how is someone straight off the plane at
>> Schiphol supposed to know if they are allowed to travel on them to
>> Centraal?
>>
>>>>> except on Thalys, Eurostar, ICE, Intercity Direct and some special
>>>>> trains to foreign countries, like Nightsleepers.
>>
>>>> Any of those, German trains???
>>>
>>> ICE (though some sets are owned/part owned by NS).
>>
>> To wrap this up, would my Schiphol-Centraal ticket be valid on it, and
>> how am I supposed to know.
>
>You could try buying a ticket.

It's presumably easier today than before, when if you were lucky you
could buy one with coins from a machine. But they had one advantage over
UK machines- the instructions on what buttons to press used city to
airport as their case study, so you literally just had to follow what
they said.

><https://www.ns.nl/en/journeyplanner/#/?vertrek=Schiphol%20Airport&vertr
>ektype=treinstation&aankomst=Amsterdam%20Centraal&aankomsttype=treinstat
>ion&type=vertrek&tijd=2022-06-02T17:19&context=arnu%7CfromStation%3D8400
>561%7CtoStation%3D8400058%7CplannedFromTime%3D2022-06-02T17:38:00%2B02:0
>0%7CplannedArrivalTime%3D2022-06-02T17:52:00%2B02:00%7CyearCard%3Dfalse%
>7CexcludeHighSpeedTrains%3Dfalse%7CsearchForAccessibleTrip%3Dfalse%7Cadd
>ChangeTime%3D0&ritnummers=945>
>(yes, I know that’s ridiculous but you should be able to find something
>similar from <https://www.ns.nl/en>) says that almost all the trains around
>now are Sprinter or Intercity direct, and they’re all the same price. The
>exception is Thalys for which it says a reservation is required and it
>can’t give a price.
>
>Sam
>

--
Roland Perry

In message <t7dgdh$r2s$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:29:21 on Fri, 3 Jun 2022,
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>> It's interesting to compare that with, for example, the gWr network, where
>>>>> west of Didcot, the IC trains are either the only service, or make the same
>>>>> calls as the R/RE trains. Reading-Taunton being the only major exception.
>>>>
>>>> There's many gaps on other main lines. Off the top of my head, Kettering
>>>> to Leicester, Grantham to Doncaster and Crewe to Wigan all only having
>>>> InterCity[tm] trains.
>>>>
>>>> For now I'll classify XC-lite (and TPE) as *not* Intercity.
>>>
>>> How many other situations are there similar to the north and south Cotswold
>>> lines, where the entirety [1] of the hourly all-stops service, then run
>>> express through to London?
>>
>> Where are they [almost all] non-stop from? Oxford perhaps.
>
>North Cotswold usually [all stops]-Oxford-Reading-[Slough]-Padd
>
>South Cotswold [all stops]-Swindon-Didcot-Reading-Padd

Sorry, by "Express" I thought you meant non-stop, not merely semi-fast.
--
Roland Perry