On 15/09/2021 19:04, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 14:39:32 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 15/09/2021 01:59 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 13:02:01 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 15/09/2021 12:19 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 13:11:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/09/2021 09:28 am, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13/09/2021 14:30, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Barry Pandy 19 hours ago
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bloody motorists, as a pedestrian who regularly walks to and from
>>>>>>>> work I know how cyclist feel. For example, you would have thought
>>>>>>>> that motorists would know that they are supposed to stop at a zebra
>>>>>>>> crossing if I’m waiting to cross but the number who drive straight
>>>>>>>> through (and considerably faster than the speed limit I might add) is
>>>>>>>> unbelievable. I’ve also seen them do this to schoolchildren. Such
>>>>>>>> people should be fined and get points off their licence and if
>>>>>>>> necessary have their licence revoked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Impossible. Only cyclists do this. So we are told.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reason being that pedestrians don't like being run over by motor
>>>>>>> vehicles so they wait for drivers to go past and only cross when a
>>>>>>> driver stops.
>>>>>> That's what pedestrians at a zebra crossing are *supposed* to do! The
>>>>>> law does not support simply charging out onto the crossing into the path
>>>>>> of a vehicle which cannot stop in the time and distance available and
>>>>>> neither does it oblige any vehicle's operator to stop for a pedestrian
>>>>>> who is waiting on the kerb. Them's the facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nevertheless stopping for a pedestrian on the kerb is certainly what I
>>>>>> do at zebra crossings. For a pedestrian (and that's me as well),
>>>>>> crossing is made easier by the approach of a vehicle that is either a
>>>>>> longer distance away or moving relatively slowly, allowing the
>>>>>> calculation that they have time to stop (not "thread through") before
>>>>>> they reach the stop line.
>>>>>>> Their own action has kept them out of harm's way. Whereas
>>>>>>> they casually step out when there is no motor vehicle present and
>>>>>>> complain that a bicycle came at them from nowhere and frightened the
>>>>>>> life out of them.
>>>>>> The fairy-cyclist is supposed to STOP. Not to "thread through" pedestrians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where DO fairy-cyclists get those "threading through" ideas from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your imagination.
>>>> You would do better keeping quiet rather than trying to comment on
>>>> things you haven't read and don't understand.
>>>
>>> So no evidence to support your claim as usual.
>> Go back and read the thread.
>>>
>
> So no evidence to support your claim as usual.
>
You can't argue with someone who believes in "Fairies"!

On 15/09/2021 07:04 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 14:39:32 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>> On 15/09/2021 01:59 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 13:02:01 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 15/09/2021 12:19 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 13:11:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/09/2021 09:28 am, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13/09/2021 14:30, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Barry Pandy 19 hours ago
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bloody motorists, as a pedestrian who regularly walks to and from
>>>>>>>> work I know how cyclist feel. For example, you would have thought
>>>>>>>> that motorists would know that they are supposed to stop at a zebra
>>>>>>>> crossing if I’m waiting to cross but the number who drive straight
>>>>>>>> through (and considerably faster than the speed limit I might add) is
>>>>>>>> unbelievable. I’ve also seen them do this to schoolchildren. Such
>>>>>>>> people should be fined and get points off their licence and if
>>>>>>>> necessary have their licence revoked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Impossible. Only cyclists do this. So we are told.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reason being that pedestrians don't like being run over by motor
>>>>>>> vehicles so they wait for drivers to go past and only cross when a
>>>>>>> driver stops.
>>>>>> That's what pedestrians at a zebra crossing are *supposed* to do! The
>>>>>> law does not support simply charging out onto the crossing into the path
>>>>>> of a vehicle which cannot stop in the time and distance available and
>>>>>> neither does it oblige any vehicle's operator to stop for a pedestrian
>>>>>> who is waiting on the kerb. Them's the facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nevertheless stopping for a pedestrian on the kerb is certainly what I
>>>>>> do at zebra crossings. For a pedestrian (and that's me as well),
>>>>>> crossing is made easier by the approach of a vehicle that is either a
>>>>>> longer distance away or moving relatively slowly, allowing the
>>>>>> calculation that they have time to stop (not "thread through") before
>>>>>> they reach the stop line.
>>>>>>> Their own action has kept them out of harm's way. Whereas
>>>>>>> they casually step out when there is no motor vehicle present and
>>>>>>> complain that a bicycle came at them from nowhere and frightened the
>>>>>>> life out of them.
>>>>>> The fairy-cyclist is supposed to STOP. Not to "thread through" pedestrians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where DO fairy-cyclists get those "threading through" ideas from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your imagination.
>>>> You would do better keeping quiet rather than trying to comment on
>>>> things you haven't read and don't understand.
>>>
>>> So no evidence to support your claim as usual.
>> Go back and read the thread.
>>>
>
> So no evidence to support your claim as usual.

Read it yet?
>

On Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 19:35:44 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> On 15/09/2021 07:04 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 14:39:32 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 15/09/2021 01:59 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 13:02:01 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>> On 15/09/2021 12:19 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 13:11:13 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
> >>>>>> On 14/09/2021 09:28 am, TMS320 wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 13/09/2021 14:30, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Barry Pandy 19 hours ago
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bloody motorists, as a pedestrian who regularly walks to and from
> >>>>>>>> work I know how cyclist feel. For example, you would have thought
> >>>>>>>> that motorists would know that they are supposed to stop at a zebra
> >>>>>>>> crossing if I’m waiting to cross but the number who drive straight
> >>>>>>>> through (and considerably faster than the speed limit I might add) is
> >>>>>>>> unbelievable. I’ve also seen them do this to schoolchildren. Such
> >>>>>>>> people should be fined and get points off their licence and if
> >>>>>>>> necessary have their licence revoked.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Impossible. Only cyclists do this. So we are told.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The reason being that pedestrians don't like being run over by motor
> >>>>>>> vehicles so they wait for drivers to go past and only cross when a
> >>>>>>> driver stops.
> >>>>>> That's what pedestrians at a zebra crossing are *supposed* to do! The
> >>>>>> law does not support simply charging out onto the crossing into the path
> >>>>>> of a vehicle which cannot stop in the time and distance available and
> >>>>>> neither does it oblige any vehicle's operator to stop for a pedestrian
> >>>>>> who is waiting on the kerb. Them's the facts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nevertheless stopping for a pedestrian on the kerb is certainly what I
> >>>>>> do at zebra crossings. For a pedestrian (and that's me as well),
> >>>>>> crossing is made easier by the approach of a vehicle that is either a
> >>>>>> longer distance away or moving relatively slowly, allowing the
> >>>>>> calculation that they have time to stop (not "thread through") before
> >>>>>> they reach the stop line.
> >>>>>>> Their own action has kept them out of harm's way. Whereas
> >>>>>>> they casually step out when there is no motor vehicle present and
> >>>>>>> complain that a bicycle came at them from nowhere and frightened the
> >>>>>>> life out of them.
> >>>>>> The fairy-cyclist is supposed to STOP. Not to "thread through" pedestrians.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Where DO fairy-cyclists get those "threading through" ideas from?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your imagination.
> >>>> You would do better keeping quiet rather than trying to comment on
> >>>> things you haven't read and don't understand.
> >>>
> >>> So no evidence to support your claim as usual.
> >> Go back and read the thread.
> >>>
> >
> > So no evidence to support your claim as usual.
> Read it yet?
> >

So no evidence to support your claim as usual..

On 15/09/2021 13:00, JNugent wrote:
> On 15/09/2021 11:42 am, TMS320 wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 13:11, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 09:28 am, TMS320 wrote:
>>>> On 13/09/2021 14:30, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Barry Pandy 19 hours ago
>>>>
>>>>> Bloody motorists, as a pedestrian who regularly walks to and
>>>>> from work I know how cyclist feel. For example, you would
>>>>> have thought that motorists would know that they are supposed
>>>>> to stop at a zebra crossing if I’m waiting to cross but the
>>>>> number who drive straight through (and considerably faster
>>>>> than the speed limit I might add) is unbelievable. I’ve also
>>>>> seen them do this to schoolchildren. Such people should be
>>>>> fined and get points off their licence and if necessary have
>>>>> their licence revoked.
>>>>
>>>> Impossible. Only cyclists do this. So we are told.
>>>>
>>>> The reason being that pedestrians don't like being run over by
>>>> motor vehicles so they wait for drivers to go past and only
>>>> cross when a driver stops.
>>>
>>> That's what pedestrians at a zebra crossing are *supposed* to do!
>>>
>>
>> Excellent!
>>>
>>> Where DO cyclists get those "threading through" ideas
>>> from?
>>>
>>
>> Where do you get the idea that threading around pedestrians has
>> anything to do with zebra crossings?
>
> This part of the discussion has been about crossings.
>
> The bit above (still quoted) that says:
>
> "...you would have thought that motorists would know that they are
> supposed to stop at a zebra crossing if I’m waiting to cross..."
>
> ...was a *big* *clue* (even though the poster was trying to make was
> incorrect, as I mentioned.
>
> Apology accepted.
>
> So... now that's cleared up... where DO cyclists get those
> "threading through" [pedestrians on a pedestrian crossing] ideas
> from?

It's rather silly to ask others where you get your ideas from. Where do
you get the from?

On 16/09/2021 08:21 am, TMS320 wrote:

> On 15/09/2021 13:00, JNugent wrote:
>> On 15/09/2021 11:42 am, TMS320 wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 13:11, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 14/09/2021 09:28 am, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>> On 13/09/2021 14:30, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Barry Pandy 19 hours ago
>
>>>>>> Bloody motorists, as a pedestrian who regularly walks to and
>>>>>> from work I know how cyclist feel. For example, you would
>>>>>> have thought that motorists would know that they are supposed
>>>>>> to stop at a zebra crossing if I’m waiting to cross but the
>>>>>> number who drive straight through (and considerably faster
>>>>>> than the speed limit I might add) is unbelievable. I’ve also
>>>>>> seen them do this to schoolchildren. Such people should be
>>>>>> fined and get points off their licence and if necessary have
>>>>>> their licence revoked.
>
>>>>> Impossible. Only cyclists do this. So we are told.
>
>>>>> The reason being that pedestrians don't like being run over by
>>>>> motor vehicles so they wait for drivers to go past and only
>>>>> cross when a driver stops.
>
>>>> That's what pedestrians at a zebra crossing are *supposed* to do!
>
>>> Excellent!
>
>>>> Where DO cyclists get those "threading through" ideas
>>>> from?
>
>>> Where do you get the idea that threading around pedestrians has
>>> anything to do with zebra crossings?
>>
>> This part of the discussion has been about crossings.
>>
>> The bit above (still quoted) that says:
>>
>> "...you would have thought that motorists would know that they are
>> supposed to stop at a zebra crossing if I’m waiting to cross..."
>>
>> ...was a *big* *clue* (even though the poster was trying to make was
>>  incorrect, as I mentioned.
>>
>> Apology accepted.
>>
>> So... now that's cleared up... where DO cyclists get those "threading
>> through" [pedestrians on a pedestrian crossing] ideas
>> from?
>
> It's rather silly to ask others where you get your ideas from. Where do
> you get the from?

Yo are getting worse with each post you make.

First, you claim that the subject is not "pedestrian crossings" so I
demonstrate to you (see above) that that is exactly what the subject was.

Now, you claim that *I* thought of the concept of fairy-cyclists
"threading through" pedestrians. But that, of course, was YOUR
suggestion and your "idea".

On 16/09/2021 12:45, JNugent wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 08:21 am, TMS320 wrote:
>> On 15/09/2021 13:00, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 15/09/2021 11:42 am, TMS320 wrote:
>>>> On 14/09/2021 13:11, JNugent wrote:
>>>>> On 14/09/2021 09:28 am, TMS320 wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/09/2021 14:30, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Barry Pandy 19 hours ago
>>
>>>>>>> Bloody motorists, as a pedestrian who regularly walks to and
>>>>>>> from work I know how cyclist feel. For example, you would
>>>>>>> have thought that motorists would know that they are supposed
>>>>>>> to stop at a zebra crossing if I’m waiting to cross but the
>>>>>>> number who drive straight through (and considerably faster
>>>>>>> than the speed limit I might add) is unbelievable. I’ve also
>>>>>>> seen them do this to schoolchildren. Such people should be
>>>>>>> fined and get points off their licence and if necessary have
>>>>>>> their licence revoked.
>>
>>>>>> Impossible. Only cyclists do this. So we are told.
>>
>>>>>> The reason being that pedestrians don't like being run over by
>>>>>> motor vehicles so they wait for drivers to go past and only
>>>>>> cross when a driver stops.
>>
>>>>> That's what pedestrians at a zebra crossing are *supposed* to do!
>>
>>>> Excellent!
>>
>>>>> Where DO cyclists get those "threading through" ideas
>>>>> from?
>>
>>>> Where do you get the idea that threading around pedestrians has
>>>> anything to do with zebra crossings?
>>>
>>> This part of the discussion has been about crossings.
>>>
>>> The bit above (still quoted) that says:
>>>
>>> "...you would have thought that motorists would know that they are
>>> supposed to stop at a zebra crossing if I’m waiting to cross..."
>>>
>>> ...was a *big* *clue* (even though the poster was trying to make was
>>>  incorrect, as I mentioned.
>>>
>>> Apology accepted.
>>>
>>> So... now that's cleared up... where DO cyclists get those "threading
>>> through" [pedestrians on a pedestrian crossing] ideas
>>> from?
>>
>> It's rather silly to ask others where you get your ideas from. Where
>> do you get the from?
>
> Yo are getting worse with each post you make.

Don't blame others when you conjure up things from nowhere and tie
yourself up in knots.

> First, you claim that the subject is not "pedestrian crossings" so I
> demonstrate to you (see above) that that is exactly what the subject was.

The thread is actually about a driver making a close pass but in the
nature of things, the thread had drifted to drivers at crossings.

I have said nothing about the thread not being about pedestrian
crossings. If you think I have done so, give the date and time of my post.
> Now, you claim that *I* thought of the concept of fairy-cyclists
> "threading through" pedestrians. But that, of course, was YOUR
> suggestion and your "idea".

The first instance of the word "threading" was in your post of
14/09/2021 13:11 The only possibility is that *you* thought of it.

So where has your idea of cyclists threading at crossings come from?