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* no teletext on modern TV sets?williamwright
+* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?MikeS
|`- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
+* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Torx
|`* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Woody
| +* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Mark Carver
| |`- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Owain Lastname
| +* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Torx
| |`* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?MikeS
| | `* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?John Hall
| |  `* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Woody
| |   +* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?MB
| |   |+* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Richard Tobin
| |   ||`* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?MB
| |   || +* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?charles
| |   || |`- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?MB
| |   || `- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?David Woolley
| |   |`- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?JNugent
| |   `- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?David Woolley
| +- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Andy Burns
| `* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Rink
|  +- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Rink
|  `* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Andy Burns
|   +- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Andy Burns
|   `- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?NY
+* Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Max Demian
|`- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?MikeS
`- Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?Jeff Layman

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Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?

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Subject: Re: no teletext on modern TV sets?
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 by: Andy Burns - Fri, 14 Jan 2022 08:39 UTC

Rink wrote:

> Woody wrote:
>
>> Teletext was switched off in 2009 so you if your TV has it there is something
>> wrong!
>
> BBC still uses page 888 for subtitles. And that's on our cable-tv. in the
> Netherlands.

If Dutch cable TV has 888 subtitles, I suspect they're extracted from the UK
MHEG data and re-inserted locally as teletext?

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 by: Andy Burns - Fri, 14 Jan 2022 08:44 UTC

Andy Burns wrote:

> If Dutch cable TV has 888 subtitles, I suspect they're extracted from the UK
> MHEG data and re-inserted locally as teletext?

Sorry, they'll be part of the MPEG-TS not MHEG

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 by: NY - Fri, 14 Jan 2022 09:45 UTC

"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
news:j4cr6mFo72uU1@mid.individual.net...
> Rink wrote:
>
>> Woody wrote:
>>
>>> Teletext was switched off in 2009 so you if your TV has it there is
>>> something wrong!
>>
>> BBC still uses page 888 for subtitles. And that's on our cable-tv. in the
>> Netherlands.
>
> If Dutch cable TV has 888 subtitles, I suspect they're extracted from the
> UK MHEG data and re-inserted locally as teletext?

Satellite broadcasting (DVB-S) of UK TV channels broadcasts three subtitle
streams (*): DVB (bitmapped overlay), teletext subtitles (888) and a third
teletext stream that is a mystery to me. I'm not sure how an old TV would
respond if it was fed (eg by analogue SCART) from a digital decoder box and
you pressed the teletext button and selected page 888. Do decoder boxes
generate teletext data locally from the satellite stream so as to drive the
TV's teletext decoder?

(*) Unlike terrestrial which just broadcasts the DVB subtitles.

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