Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lolipop probably ~10 years old)
tablet to grand children to use hopfully on Netflix.
They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
login page.
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+

On 18/01/2022 07:46, Charlie+ wrote:
> Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
> tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
> They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
> correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
> login page.
> Anyone know what the problem might be?
> Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+

I have an old tablet which has Android 4.3 (I think; it is the Icecream
version) on it. I found out years ago that the particular tablet
doesn't have a hardware feature that is a mandatory feature for Android
5 and upwards, so I would never be able to update the OS any further.

I am guessing that the Netflix password feature is trying to use the
missing hardware feature (which improved security) and is failing
because of it.

I still use my ancient tablet, but only as an e-book reader.

Jim

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:02:09 +0000, Indy Jess John
<bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote as underneath :

>On 18/01/2022 07:46, Charlie+ wrote:
>> Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
>> tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
>> They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
>> correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
>> login page.
>> Anyone know what the problem might be?
>> Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
>
>I have an old tablet which has Android 4.3 (I think; it is the Icecream
>version) on it. I found out years ago that the particular tablet
>doesn't have a hardware feature that is a mandatory feature for Android
>5 and upwards, so I would never be able to update the OS any further.
>
>I am guessing that the Netflix password feature is trying to use the
>missing hardware feature (which improved security) and is failing
>because of it.
>
>I still use my ancient tablet, but only as an e-book reader.
>
>Jim

Hi Jim thanks for the info, yes thought it might be something like that
:( Bin job then. Wasteful... Android seems to be up to about v13 now. C+

Yes if you cannotupdate it to near the latest version of Android, it cannot
work. I don't know specifics, but I've certainly heard it before. I'm told
even a budget priced Amazon Fire tablet can be used though.
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"Charlie+" <charlie@xxx.net> wrote in message
news:78rcuglfdphgncbphiuqtm96p5g6b5iajh@4ax.com...
> Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lolipop probably ~10 years old)
> tablet to grand children to use hopfully on Netflix.
> They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
> correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
> login page.
> Anyone know what the problem might be?
> Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+

Charlie+ wrote:

> Anyone know what the problem might be?
> Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+

I booted up my old nexus1 phone for a laugh the other day, anything that relies
on modern SSL/TLS is out of luck, it wouldn't surprise me if that's your issue.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:16:47 +0000, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:02:09 +0000, Indy Jess John
><bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote as underneath :
>
>>On 18/01/2022 07:46, Charlie+ wrote:
>>> Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
>>> tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
>>> They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
>>> correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
>>> login page.
>>> Anyone know what the problem might be?
>>> Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
>>
>>I have an old tablet which has Android 4.3 (I think; it is the Icecream
>>version) on it. I found out years ago that the particular tablet
>>doesn't have a hardware feature that is a mandatory feature for Android
>>5 and upwards, so I would never be able to update the OS any further.
>>
>>I am guessing that the Netflix password feature is trying to use the
>>missing hardware feature (which improved security) and is failing
>>because of it.
>>
>>I still use my ancient tablet, but only as an e-book reader.
>>
>>Jim
>
>Hi Jim thanks for the info, yes thought it might be something like that
>:( Bin job then. Wasteful... Android seems to be up to about v13 now. C+

It's forced obsolescence. We're in for a similar story in 2025 when
support for Windows 10 runs out and the world discovers the full
significance of the fact that more than half of all computers will not
run Windows 11. Because Microsoft has decided not to allow it.

For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?

Rod.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 10:08:46 +0000, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote as underneath :

>On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:16:47 +0000, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:02:09 +0000, Indy Jess John
>><bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote as underneath :
>>
>>>On 18/01/2022 07:46, Charlie+ wrote:
>>>> Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
>>>> tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
>>>> They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
>>>> correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
>>>> login page.
>>>> Anyone know what the problem might be?
>>>> Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
>>>
>>>I have an old tablet which has Android 4.3 (I think; it is the Icecream
>>>version) on it. I found out years ago that the particular tablet
>>>doesn't have a hardware feature that is a mandatory feature for Android
>>>5 and upwards, so I would never be able to update the OS any further.
>>>
>>>I am guessing that the Netflix password feature is trying to use the
>>>missing hardware feature (which improved security) and is failing
>>>because of it.
>>>
>>>I still use my ancient tablet, but only as an e-book reader.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>
>>Hi Jim thanks for the info, yes thought it might be something like that
>>:( Bin job then. Wasteful... Android seems to be up to about v13 now. C+
>
>It's forced obsolescence. We're in for a similar story in 2025 when
>support for Windows 10 runs out and the world discovers the full
>significance of the fact that more than half of all computers will not
>run Windows 11. Because Microsoft has decided not to allow it.
>
>For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
>potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
>effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?
>
>Rod.
With you all the way! I'd like to see legislation against it with the
warning that security weakness will not be an acceptable reason or
excuse - design your software properly in the first place. - Some hope!
C+

On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:16:47 +0000, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:02:09 +0000, Indy Jess John
>> <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote as underneath :
>>
>>> On 18/01/2022 07:46, Charlie+ wrote:
>>>> Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
>>>> tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
>>>> They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
>>>> correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
>>>> login page.
>>>> Anyone know what the problem might be?
>>>> Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
>>>
>>> I have an old tablet which has Android 4.3 (I think; it is the Icecream
>>> version) on it. I found out years ago that the particular tablet
>>> doesn't have a hardware feature that is a mandatory feature for Android
>>> 5 and upwards, so I would never be able to update the OS any further.
>>>
>>> I am guessing that the Netflix password feature is trying to use the
>>> missing hardware feature (which improved security) and is failing
>>> because of it.
>>>
>>> I still use my ancient tablet, but only as an e-book reader.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> Hi Jim thanks for the info, yes thought it might be something like that
>> :( Bin job then. Wasteful... Android seems to be up to about v13 now. C+
>
> It's forced obsolescence. We're in for a similar story in 2025 when
> support for Windows 10 runs out and the world discovers the full
> significance of the fact that more than half of all computers will not
> run Windows 11. Because Microsoft has decided not to allow it.
>
> For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
> potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
> effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?

Good question. I've been running Linux Mint for about 6 years, and most
of it would be usable as (and could be made to look like) a Windows
setup. Even updating is easy, and can be automatic. But who would the
average ex-Windows user turn to for support? Unfortunately, most
wouldn't know what a terminal is or how to use it if push came to shove.

On a selfish basis, I hope they'll buy new machines which will run
Windows 11, 12, 13, etc. Otherwise, if more and more start using Linux,
it'll attract the attention of the malware writers. I haven't wasted
money on an antivirus product since I changed to Mint, and don't want to
start going down that road

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On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
> potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
> effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?

I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
working, it will just not get updates.

How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free of charge?

I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updates anyway?

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:18:18 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
>> potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
>> effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?
>
>I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
>working, it will just not get updates.
>
>How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free of charge?
>
>I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updates anyway?
>

Indeed it won't stop working, but the lack of security fixes means it
will be unwise to continue using it. Same story as XP and 7.

Microsoft said that Windows 10 was going to be the last distinct
version, and would be supported on any computer it was installed on
for the life of the computer. They appear to have reneged on that.

If you leave Windows 10 alone, it will apply the important system
updates all by itself. You can postpone them, but only for a limited
time. Eventually it will do them regardless, so even the technically
ignorant will always have a reasonably up to date system.

The biggest stumbling block against Linux is that one of its greatest
strengths is also its greatest weakness. The fact that anybody with
the necessary skills can have a go at customising it has resulted in a
bewildering variety of different versions, many of which look nothing
like Windows at all and would probably daunt any newcomer for that
reason alone. What it needs is more publicity directing people towards
the ones that look most like Windows - and for my money the clear
winner would be Linux Mint/Cinnamon - describing how easy it is to
obtain and install. It should also be emphasised that if a system
becomes so snarled up as to be unusable, a complete reinstall can
usually be done in less time than it would take most people to learn
how to diagnose the problem and fix it the "clever" way. On my PC
that's about twenty minutes from a blank partition to a usable system.
I mostly use Windows because I'm accustomed to it and I like it, but
could move permanently to Liuux if I had to. If only more people knew
how easy it was.

Rod.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:18:18 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:

> > For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
> > potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
> > effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more
likely?

> I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
> working, it will just not get updates.

> How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free of
charge?

> I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updates
anyway?

I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop and
it worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.

--
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On 18/01/2022 13:15, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> If you leave Windows 10 alone, it will apply the important system
> updates all by itself. You can postpone them, but only for a limited
> time. Eventually it will do them regardless, so even the technically
> ignorant will always have a reasonably up to date system.

And that is the drawback to continuing to use Windows 10 after the end
of life.

I was happily using Win7 until the last update before the end of life
date crippled some of the functions I was using and I had to undo that
last update and change the settings to "Never update" to get the system
back to its previous usability and to keep the MS sabotage packages from
destroying it again[1]. Without the update I undid, and the later "last
ever" update which I understand made Win7 virtually unusable according
to a friend of mine who had to upgrade to W10 to get his system working
the way he wanted it. Clearly MS wanted to prevent the XP scenario where
too many users just kept using it.

Because it is only possible to delay W10 updates and not block them
completely, there is nothing a W10 user can do to prevent MS making W10
retention difficult and a W11 update necessary.

As for making Linux look like Windows, I have done that for a friend of
mine. However she had been concerned about MS discontinuing support for
Vista which she had been using, and for that replacement I found Linux
Mint Mate a closer match for Vista than Cinnamon was.[2]

[1] I am aware that the general concern is that W7 without updates has
security holes, but I had installed all the patches up to when MS tried
to discourage me from keeping W7 and I am sensible enough not to click
on anything I am not expecting and to assume that unexpected e-mails are
trojans to be deleted, and I access only a limited set of websites, so I
am not likely to encounter rogue HTML which is where the real danger lies.

[2] I didn't tell her I was installing Linux. To this day she still
thinks I managed to get hold of an upgraded Vista.

Jim

On 18/01/2022 13:52, Max Demian wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:18:18 +0000, MB<MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>
>>> For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
>>> potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
>>> effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more
> likely?
>
>> I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
>> working, it will just not get updates.
>
>> How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free of
> charge?
>
>> I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updates
> anyway?
>
> I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop and
> it worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
> antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.
>
I would. Dell laptops last a long time.
Just a tip though - the early Dell laptops used a disc which had an
extended IDE interface (the usual double row if interface pins plus some
extra one providing power). You can still get them (I bought a
refurbished one on e-bay when I wanted more disc capacity than was
originally fitted), and I found a compatible one by searching for a disc
for my specific Dell model. You are unlikely to find a 10-year-old Dell
with a SATA drive.

I am a little concerned about no anti-virus unless you are only going to
run it without an internet connection. Avast is free and pretty good,
and it can spot viruses and trojans in incoming e-mails. Kaspersky is a
good free anti-virus but I got really fed up with its constant nagging
after each update to add facilities which are only available in the
paid-for version, though the nagging pop-up doesn't say that.

Jim

In article <ss675r$ag9$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
<jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Good question. I've been running Linux Mint for about 6 years, and most
> of it would be usable as (and could be made to look like) a Windows
> setup. Even updating is easy, and can be automatic. But who would the
> average ex-Windows user turn to for support? Unfortunately, most
> wouldn't know what a terminal is or how to use it if push came to shove.

Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model in
some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that installs a
Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to use
it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping
people rather than facilitating ripping them off.

That said, the consumer mindset many people have been conditioned into
"that anything more than three years old is 'too old' " may dominate.

Jim

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In article <ss67lq$dq5$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> > For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
> > potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
> > effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?

> I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
> working, it will just not get updates.

> How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free of charge?

Need to unpack "updated" to make a fair response, I think. If it means "add
useful new features" then,, yes, a payment makes sense. But if it is simply
to let it go on working on an existing system where it had worked or
bugfix, and then I'd have regarded 'foc' as reasonable for commercial
items.

> I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updates
> anyway?

I wonder, why Windows. 8-]

Jim

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On 18/01/2022 12:25, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>
> Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model in
> some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that installs a
> Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to use
> it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping
> people rather than facilitating ripping them off.

It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the thinking
behind PCLinuxOS?

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On 18/01/2022 14:17, Indy Jess John wrote:
>
> On 18/01/2022 13:52, Max Demian wrote:
>>
>> I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop and
>> it worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
>> antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.
>
> I would.  Dell laptops last a long time.
> Just a tip though - the early Dell laptops used a disc which had an
> extended IDE interface (the usual double row if interface pins plus some
> extra one providing power).  You can still get them (I bought a
> refurbished one on e-bay when I wanted more disc capacity than was
> originally fitted), and I found a compatible one by searching for a disc
> for my specific Dell model.  You are unlikely to find a 10-year-old Dell
> with a SATA drive.

Yes, that is a major difficulty, however, you could buy a SATA drive and
put it in one of these, if only if it was still available ...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00JJC07Q2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00

.... which is what I did on my Dell Latitude D610 when its HD finally
died. The BIOS stage of the boot slows to crawl because, despite it
having the correct boot order telling it to boot only from the CD-Drive,
it still insists on waiting for the non-existent HD in the HD drive bay
to time-out, then it beeps with a warning message about the missing
drive, and manually pressing <F1> then continues the boot with
everything working normally thereafter. It's a nuisance, but at least
it still works.

You may be able to find the same converter somewhere else such as eBay.

> I am a little concerned about no anti-virus unless you are only going to
> run it without an internet connection.  Avast is free and pretty good,
> and it can spot viruses and trojans in incoming e-mails.  Kaspersky is a
> good free anti-virus but I got really fed up with its constant nagging
> after each update to add facilities which are only available in the
> paid-for version, though the nagging pop-up doesn't say that.

Yes, I'm using ClamAV on my XP machines, but they don't normally need to
go on the internet anyway.

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Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:
> Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lolipop probably ~10 years old)
> tablet to grand children to use hopfully on Netflix.
> They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
> correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
> login page.
> Anyone know what the problem might be?
> Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+

Does the Play Store still work? (I think it had stopped being 'Android Market'
by then).

If so, try updating to the latest Netflix app. It's possible there may be a
newer one that supports whatever changes Netflix have made to their system.

https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/netflix-inc/netflix/#variants
suggests the most recent build to support Android 4.0 was in 2015, although
that could just be the last time somebody uploaded the apk to their archive.

It seems like everything much more recent is Android 5.0+ only.

One thing you might investigate is whether there's a custom ROM for your
tablet to run a newer Android on it. LineageOS is a good starting point for
custom ROMs, although it depends on your model. Otherwise there might be a
forum on xda-developers for your model with users posting their own custom
ROMs.

Theo

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:17:30 +0000, Indy Jess John
<bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
> On 18/01/2022 13:52, Max Demian wrote:

> > I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop
and
> > it worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
> > antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.
> >
> I would. Dell laptops last a long time.
> Just a tip though - the early Dell laptops used a disc which had an
> extended IDE interface (the usual double row if interface pins plus
some
> extra one providing power). You can still get them (I bought a
> refurbished one on e-bay when I wanted more disc capacity than was
> originally fitted), and I found a compatible one by searching for a
disc
> for my specific Dell model. You are unlikely to find a 10-year-old
Dell
> with a SATA drive.

It's an N5030 and certainly has a SATA drive. I've just bought an
Asus with a 128 GB SSD as a replacement.

> I am a little concerned about no anti-virus unless you are only
going to
> run it without an internet connection. Avast is free and pretty
good,
> and it can spot viruses and trojans in incoming e-mails. Kaspersky
is a
> good free anti-virus but I got really fed up with its constant
nagging
> after each update to add facilities which are only available in the
> paid-for version, though the nagging pop-up doesn't say that.

Thanks for the tip. I might fix the Dell as it is otherwise in good
condition.

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On Tue 18/01/2022 13:52, Max Demian wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:18:18 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>
>> > For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
>> > potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
>> > effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more
> likely?
>
>> I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
>> working, it will just not get updates.
>
>> How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free of
> charge?
>
>> I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updates
> anyway?
>
> I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop and it
> worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
> antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.
>

Go have a look in Computer Exchange (uk.webuy.com) - one in pretty well
every medium sized town or larger. You will likely be able to get a
branded s/h HDD with minimum 2 year guaranatee for the money you want to
spend.

BEWARE: look at the connector in your HDD and make sure whether it is
parallel or SATA. Parallel has a single connector of two rows of gold
pins: if it is SATA it has two separate connectors, one bigger than the
other. It should also say SATA on the label. If your machine is SATA
then you could also consider a SSD which is significantly faster than a
conventional HDD. I have a Dell E6410 which is probably 10 years old and
the SSD works perfectly.

On 18 Jan 2022 17:26:57 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote as underneath :

>Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:
>> Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lolipop probably ~10 years old)
>> tablet to grand children to use hopfully on Netflix.
>> They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
>> correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
>> login page.
>> Anyone know what the problem might be?
>> Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
>
>Does the Play Store still work? (I think it had stopped being 'Android Market'
>by then).
>
>If so, try updating to the latest Netflix app. It's possible there may be a
>newer one that supports whatever changes Netflix have made to their system.
>
>https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/netflix-inc/netflix/#variants
>suggests the most recent build to support Android 4.0 was in 2015, although
>that could just be the last time somebody uploaded the apk to their archive.
>
>It seems like everything much more recent is Android 5.0+ only.
>
>One thing you might investigate is whether there's a custom ROM for your
>tablet to run a newer Android on it. LineageOS is a good starting point for
>custom ROMs, although it depends on your model. Otherwise there might be a
>forum on xda-developers for your model with users posting their own custom
>ROMs.
>
>Theo
>
Thanks for your thoughts Theo, as the tablet is now out of my domain and
was I think only £35 new its not worth spending anything (time or money)
on it if there is no easy answer!
They have gone for a cheap 2xh Kindle Fire as someone upthread also
suggested and are getting over the Netflix problem that way. C+

On 18/01/2022 16:07, Java Jive wrote:
> On 18/01/2022 12:25, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>
>> Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model in
>> some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that installs a
>> Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to use
>> it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping
>> people rather than facilitating ripping them off.
>
> It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the thinking
> behind PCLinuxOS?
>
Underlying the later Apple Mac computers is a Unix core with the Mac
GUI, a combination which was maintained by Apple.

It is difficult to see how PCLinuxOS could continue to look like Windows
without Microsoft's co-operation, and why would they do that?

Jim

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 13:59:55 +0000, Indy Jess John
<bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:

>Because it is only possible to delay W10 updates and not block them
>completely, there is nothing a W10 user can do to prevent MS making W10
>retention difficult and a W11 update necessary.

If they did decide to implement that, I wonder what it would do to a
system on which Windows 11 will not run?

I've yet to check the source, but I have heard that according to one
survey more than half the business computers in existence do not
satisfy the requirements that Microsoft has decided to impose for
Windows 11. It seems quite plausible to me, and also likely that the
proportion for domestic computers will not be very different. None of
my own computers will run it, nor any others I'm aware of in at least
three other family setups, though they're all working fine and there
is no reason to suppose they couldn't continue to run for many years.

These computers will not stop working per se when support runs out,
but it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that some sensitive
websites such as banks may refuse entry to systems that are not up to
date, so computers that will not run the latest software will
gradually become impractical to keep.

Unless Microsoft change their policy it looks as though the world is
facing an obcene amount of electronic waste in the next few years.

There are several things they could do. For example, maybe they could
continue to support Windows 10 but only on computers that are logged
in with a Microsoft account? Wouldn't that be fun?

Rod.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 13:52:32 +0000, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop and
>it worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
>antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.

Depends on what you intend to use it for. If you do manage to get a
replacement hard drive, you've nothing to lose by trying Linux Mint,
which *is* supported with updates (and for now at least will be a less
likely target for malware anyway), and will use up less disk space and
run faster. It doesn't look exactly like Windows, but it's similar and
you'll be surprised how easy it is to get used to it.

Rod.

On 19/01/2022 00:11, Indy Jess John wrote:
>
> On 18/01/2022 16:07, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 18/01/2022 12:25, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>>
>>> Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model in
>>> some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that
>>> installs a
>>> Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to
>>> use
>>> it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping
>>> people rather than facilitating ripping them off.
>>
>> It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the thinking
>> behind PCLinuxOS?
>
> Underlying the later Apple Mac computers is a Unix core with the Mac
> GUI, a combination which was maintained by Apple.
>
> It is difficult to see how PCLinuxOS could continue to look like Windows
> without Microsoft's co-operation, and why would they do that?

AFAIAA, PCLinuxOS is maintained, like many distros, by volunteers, their
problem being to make the 'Look & Feel' like Windows enough to be easy
for Windows users to adapt to, while making it different enough to avoid
Microsoft suing.

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