I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating of
vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of
vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination against those
who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who won't for religious,
crazed personal beliefs etc.
I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why should
COVID be any different.
BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel overseas.

Dechucka wrote:
==============
>
> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
> restrictions.

** This troll really is a total IDIOT .

On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating of
> vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of
> vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination against those
> who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who won't for religious,
> crazed personal beliefs etc.

** Like the one you're just about to express.

> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
> society that can be prevented by vaccination

** Do tell ??

> vaccination against
> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why should
> COVID be any different.

** Cos it a massive clear and present danger?

> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel overseas.

** No it isn't.

On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating of
> vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of
> vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination against those
> who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who won't for religious,
> crazed personal beliefs etc.
> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
> fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
> discrimination.

So? There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have fingers
and toes and no-one complains about them.

There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why should
> COVID be any different.

At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher death
rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.

> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel overseas.

How so?

On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating
>> of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating
>> of vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination against
>> those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who won't for
>> religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>> discrimination.
>
> So?  There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have fingers
> and toes and no-one complains about them.

Like? personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
entering a business. However as they already exist does that mean we
need more?
>
> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why should
>> COVID be any different.
>
> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher death
> rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.

True of measles mumps and rubella for example
>
>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>> overseas.
>
> How so?

I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
travel in Australia.

On 14/09/2021 8:41 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>>> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating
>>> of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the
>>> mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination
>>> against those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who
>>> won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>>> discrimination.
>>
>> So?  There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have fingers
>> and toes and no-one complains about them.
>
> Like? personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
> entering a business. However as they already exist does that mean we
> need more?
>>
>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>>> should COVID be any different.
>>
>> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher
>> death rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.
>
> True of measles mumps and rubella for example
>>
>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>> overseas.
>>
>> How so?
>
> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
> travel in Australia.

OK I've just thought of dress codes

On 14/09/2021 8:41 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>>> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating
>>> of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the
>>> mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination
>>> against those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who
>>> won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>>> discrimination.
>>
>> So?  There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have fingers
>> and toes and no-one complains about them.
>
> Like?

A classic one which you would recall is the age limits on OR ranks in
the military.

personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
> entering a business.

Yes you do, you will know that full face helmets and balaclavas stop
going into a bank.

However as they already exist does that mean we
> need more?

Given this is a disease and a very easily catchable one, I don't have a
problem with it. At least not yet. I may as time goes on and we see
more implications.>>
>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>>> should COVID be any different.
>>
>> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher
>> death rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.
>
> True of measles mumps and rubella for example

True BUT, I odnt' think they are as transmissable as Delta. Anyhow, I
can't hink of one person who I know who is not vaccinated against those
diseases. I had just this discussion with my doctor yesterday and about
those very diseases and more (including polio)
>>
>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>> overseas.
>>
>> How so?
>
> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
> travel in Australia.

Would you have needed one (or similar proof of identity) prior to 1901?
BTW, I don't consider that a major problem. I need more cards and
do-hickies in my daily life than I've ever needed to get O/S.

On 14/09/2021 8:44 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 8:41 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the
>>>> current restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the
>>>> mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and
>>>> the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>>>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>>>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>>>> discrimination.
>>>
>>> So?  There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have fingers
>>> and toes and no-one complains about them.
>>
>> Like? personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
>> entering a business. However as they already exist does that mean we
>> need more?
>>>
>>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>>>> should COVID be any different.
>>>
>>> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher
>>> death rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.
>>
>> True of measles mumps and rubella for example
>>>
>>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>>> overseas.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
>> travel in Australia.
>
> OK I've just thought of dress codes

LOL. Yep. Bloody RSLs like the one that used to be in Wentworth NSW
insisted that ladies remove their hats on entering! The ignorant hicks
there said they'd even ask the Queen to remove hers if she went there!

Fran wrote:
===========
>
> > OK I've just thought of dress codes
>
> LOL. Yep. Bloody RSLs like the one that used to be in Wentworth NSW
> insisted that ladies remove their hats on entering! The ignorant hicks
> there said they'd even ask the Queen to remove hers if she went there!
>

** Lots of clubs have that rule and another similar one:
" Anyone entering the bar area with a HAT on must shout the bar."

Saw it happen one Sunday arvo at the " Deepwater Power Boat Club" in Milperra.

The local crazy lady waltzed in, hat on head and every bloke at the bar loudly let her know what she needed to do next.
Then ensued a very entertaining open debate on the matter - cos she naturally refused.

....... Phil

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 15:22:42 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison posted:-

> Dechucka wrote:
> ==============
> >
> > I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the
> > current restrictions.
>
> ** This troll really is a total IDIOT .

No bigger troll than Dead Fucka, who claims to be a "farmer" LOL.
Except perhaps Fran the elitist bitch, and Wog Dog, the pretend commie
child.

<snip>

On 14/09/2021 8:55 am, Fran wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 8:41 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the
>>>> current restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the
>>>> mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and
>>>> the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>>>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>>>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>>>> discrimination.
>>>
>>> So?  There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have fingers
>>> and toes and no-one complains about them.
>>
>> Like?
>
> A classic one which you would recall is the age limits on OR ranks in
> the military.

Fair enough and people under 18 can't vote or get into pubs
>
> personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
>> entering a business.
>
> Yes you do, you will know that full face helmets and balaclavas stop
> going into a bank.

But face-masks are now compulsory, that is apropos nothing but I find it
interesting
>
> However as they already exist does that mean we
>> need more?
>
> Given this is a disease and a very easily catchable one, I don't have a
> problem with it.  At least not yet.  I may as time goes on and we see
> more implications.

As stated I don't have a problem with the current restriction but when
(hopefully not if) they are lifted and everybody has had a chance to be
vaccinated I am totally opposed to the mandating of vaccination for
workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of vaccination to
enter businesses.

>>
>>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>>>> should COVID be any different.
>>>
>>> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher
>>> death rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.
>>
>> True of measles mumps and rubella for example
>
> True BUT, I odnt' think they are as transmissable as Delta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
Measles "It is extremely contagious: nine out of ten people who are not
immune and share living space with an infected person will be infected."
" About 1 in 4 individuals will be hospitalized and 1–2 in 1000 will
die. Complications are more likely in children under age 5 and adults
over age 20"

VACCINES ARE GREAT!!!!!

Anyhow, I
> can't hink of one person who I know who is not vaccinated against those
> diseases. I had just this discussion with my doctor yesterday and about
> those very diseases and more (including polio)

How do you know maybe it should be compulsory to show your vaccination
status for these diseases. HPV vaccination status before sex without a
condom?

>>>
>>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>>> overseas.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
>> travel in Australia.
>
> Would you have needed one (or similar proof of identity) prior to 1901?

Wouldn't have thought so as it was travel between British Colonies

> BTW, I don't consider that a major problem.  I need more cards and
> do-hickies in my daily life than I've ever needed to get O/S.

I don't consider that a valid reason to expand the need for cards and
do-hickies

On 14/09/2021 8:57 am, Fran wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 8:44 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 8:41 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
>>>> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the
>>>>> current restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the
>>>>> mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and
>>>>> the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>>>>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>>>>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this
>>>>> legal discrimination.
>>>>
>>>> So?  There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have
>>>> fingers and toes and no-one complains about them.
>>>
>>> Like? personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
>>> entering a business. However as they already exist does that mean we
>>> need more?
>>>>
>>>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination
>>>>> against these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises,
>>>>> why should COVID be any different.
>>>>
>>>> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher
>>>> death rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.
>>>
>>> True of measles mumps and rubella for example
>>>>
>>>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>>>> overseas.
>>>>
>>>> How so?
>>>
>>> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
>>> travel in Australia.
>>
>> OK I've just thought of dress codes
>
> LOL.  Yep.  Bloody RSLs like the one that used to be in Wentworth NSW
> insisted that ladies remove their hats on entering!

I was asked to remove my RFS cap in a pub in the City. When I asked why
I was told it might cause gang violence. I walked out.

>  The ignorant hicks
> there said they'd even ask the Queen to remove hers if she went there!
>
Fairfax, the footballer not the newspaper dude, was banned from his own
leagues club for having long hair.

On 14-Sep-21 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the
> mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and
> the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc. I
> know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
> fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
> discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
> should COVID be any different. BTW totally different from the
> vaccination requirements to travel overseas.

An essential difference between Covid-19 and the other vaccine
preventable diseases is that Covid-19 is currently an epidemic in NSW,
whereas those other diseases are not. If we saw a widespread outbreak of
measles, then it's entirely possible that a vaccination mandate for it
would come about.

Discrimination laws are about discrimination on invalid grounds. We
accept discrimination where it is necessary. For example, blind people
cannot get driving licences. Those who are wheelchair bound cannot get
jobs as bicycle couriers.

I think the issue of people who cannot be vaccinated for medical grounds
will be addressed. But those who choose not to be vaccinated will have
to accept the consequences of that.

Sylvia.

Sylvia Else wrote:
==============
>
> Discrimination laws are about discrimination on invalid grounds. We
> accept discrimination where it is necessary.

** If most people understood that one simple fact - it would change the world.

For at least 40 years I have been fighting woke idiots who see the word " discrimination" in the *title* a law and assume a nonsense.
None ever read the definitions section where the word " illegal " is added.

> For example, blind people cannot get driving licences.

** Or serve on juries.

> Those who are wheelchair bound cannot get
> jobs as bicycle couriers.

** Dunno, some electric wheel chairs are pretty fast ...
Use similar tech to a Tesla.

...... Phil

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 07:53:55 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>restrictions.
Hear! Hear!

>On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating of
>vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of
>vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination against those
>who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who won't for religious,
>crazed personal beliefs etc.

Nonsense. Why not have it the other way where wakos and geeks carry ID
to the fact, giving businesses the option to exclude them?

>I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
>fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>discrimination.

Like compulsory seat belts?

>There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why should
>COVID be any different.
>BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel overseas.

Now that vaccines are readily available why not drag people off the
street for a shot? It would be for the common good. Most politicians
are lawyers so we can expect they'll do the obvious only when all
other options have been exhausted.

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 09:29:02 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 14-Sep-21 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the
>> mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and
>> the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc. I
>> know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
>> fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>> discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>> should COVID be any different. BTW totally different from the
>> vaccination requirements to travel overseas.
>
>An essential difference between Covid-19 and the other vaccine
>preventable diseases is that Covid-19 is currently an epidemic in NSW,
>whereas those other diseases are not. If we saw a widespread outbreak of
>measles, then it's entirely possible that a vaccination mandate for it
>would come about.
>
>Discrimination laws are about discrimination on invalid grounds. We
>accept discrimination where it is necessary. For example, blind people
>cannot get driving licences. Those who are wheelchair bound cannot get
>jobs as bicycle couriers.
>
>I think the issue of people who cannot be vaccinated for medical grounds
>will be addressed. But those who choose not to be vaccinated will have
>to accept the consequences of that.
>
>Sylvia.

Perhaps they might defray their hospital expenses currently funded by
the poor vaccinated taxpayer. Many current policies exist in fear of
clogged hospitals, already full.

Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote

> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating of
> vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of
> vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination against those who
> can't get vaccinated for medical reasons

That is trivially handled by allowing them to do what the vaccinated can do.

> or who won't for religious,

Fuckem.

> crazed personal beliefs etc.

Them too.

> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
> fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
> discrimination.

There always is a vast raft of legal discrimination, everything
from when you have to attend school, when you are allowed
to drive a car, when you qualify for the aged pension, when
your parents get handouts because you are a child, when
you can fuck, when you can watch some movies etc etc etc.

> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our society that can be
> prevented by vaccination and vaccination against these are not mandated
> for employment or to enter premises, why should COVID be any different.

Because it kills far more people, fuckwit.

We have always had legal discrimination with quarantine etc too.

> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
> overseas.

More mindless bullshit, your trademark.

Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
> On 14/09/2021 8:41 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>>>> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating
>>>> of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the
>>>> mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination
>>>> against those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who
>>>> won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>>>> discrimination.
>>>
>>> So? There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have fingers
>>> and toes and no-one complains about them.
>>
>> Like? personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
>> entering a business. However as they already exist does that mean we
>> need more?
>>>
>>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>>>> should COVID be any different.
>>>
>>> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher
>>> death rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.
>>
>> True of measles mumps and rubella for example
>>>
>>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>>> overseas.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
>> travel in Australia.
>
> OK I've just thought of dress codes

And it isn't just dress codes either, its also your behaviour
and whether you are wearing a mask and have signed on
with the QR code too. And your age with licensed places,
whether you are smoking or not, etc etc etc.

On 14/09/2021 9:29 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 14-Sep-21 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>>  restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the
>> mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and
>> the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc. I
>> know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
>>  fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>> discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>  society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>  these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>> should COVID be any different. BTW totally different from the
>> vaccination requirements to travel overseas.
>
> An essential difference between Covid-19 and the other vaccine
> preventable diseases is that Covid-19 is currently an epidemic in NSW,
> whereas those other diseases are not.

No problem with restriction currently. No objection to logging in with a
QR code or carrying my license when exercising so I can prove I'm in my
LGA or even being stopped by the cops in my car to show I'm not breaking
the rules. However I do not want this to continue even if reasons are
put forward. Hey continuing to make QR log-in compulsory would be
beneficial in disease out-breaks, fighting crime, tracking terrorists of
course it could prove my innocence if accused of something.

> If we saw a widespread outbreak of
> measles, then it's entirely possible that a vaccination mandate for it
> would come about.

Not going to happen with our vaccination levels. Are you happy for it to
be considered discrimination when COVID levels reach measles vaccination
levels in Aus, ~95%?
>
> Discrimination laws are about discrimination on invalid grounds. We
> accept discrimination where it is necessary. For example, blind people
> cannot get driving licences.

They can if they pass the eye test

> Those who are wheelchair bound cannot get
> jobs as bicycle couriers.

I don't consider it discrimination that I can't practice medicine
because I don't meet the requirements for the job
>
> I think the issue of people who cannot be vaccinated for medical grounds
> will be addressed. But those who choose not to be vaccinated will have
> to accept the consequences of that.

I do not believe in compulsory vaccination by stealth which gives us
separate classes of citizen.

On 14/09/2021 9:54 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 07:53:55 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>> restrictions.
> Hear! Hear!
>
>> On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating of
>> vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of
>> vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination against those
>> who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who won't for religious,
>> crazed personal beliefs etc.
>
> Nonsense. Why not have it the other way where wakos and geeks carry ID
> to the fact, giving businesses the option to exclude them?

Won't work
>
>
>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
>> fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>> discrimination.
>
> Like compulsory seat belts?

No
>
>
>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why should
>> COVID be any different.
>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel overseas.
>
> Now that vaccines are readily available why not drag people off the
> street for a shot?

If you are happy with that idea fine. I'm not

> It would be for the common good. Most politicians
> are lawyers so we can expect they'll do the obvious only when all
> other options have been exhausted.

Dechucka wrote More Insane Fucking GARBAGE :

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
> > Discrimination laws are about discrimination on invalid grounds. We
> > accept discrimination where it is necessary. For example, blind people
> > cannot get driving licences.
>
> They can if they pass the eye test

** Now, that one takes the fucking cake.

Wog Logic at its very finest.

........ Phil

On 14-Sep-21 10:16 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 9:29 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 14-Sep-21 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>>>  restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the
>>> mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and
>>> the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc. I
>>> know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
>>>  fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>>> discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>  society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>>  these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>>> should COVID be any different. BTW totally different from the
>>> vaccination requirements to travel overseas.
>>
>> An essential difference between Covid-19 and the other vaccine
>> preventable diseases is that Covid-19 is currently an epidemic in NSW,
>> whereas those other diseases are not.
>
> No problem with restriction currently. No objection to logging in with a
> QR code or carrying my license when exercising so I can prove I'm in my
> LGA or even being stopped by the cops in my car to show I'm not breaking
> the rules. However I do not want this to continue even if reasons are
> put forward. Hey continuing to make QR log-in compulsory would be
> beneficial in disease out-breaks, fighting crime, tracking terrorists of
> course it could prove my innocence if accused of something.
>
>> If we saw a widespread outbreak of
>> measles, then it's entirely possible that a vaccination mandate for it
>> would come about.
>
> Not going to happen with our vaccination levels. Are you happy for it to
> be considered discrimination when COVID levels reach measles vaccination
> levels in Aus, ~95%?
>>
>> Discrimination laws are about discrimination on invalid grounds. We
>> accept discrimination where it is necessary. For example, blind people
>> cannot get driving licences.
>
> They can if they pass the eye test
>
>> Those who are wheelchair bound cannot get
>> jobs as bicycle couriers.
>
> I don't consider it discrimination that I can't practice medicine
> because I don't meet the requirements for the job
>>
>> I think the issue of people who cannot be vaccinated for medical grounds
>> will be addressed. But those who choose not to be vaccinated will have
>> to accept the consequences of that.
>
> I do not believe in compulsory vaccination by stealth which gives us
> separate classes of citizen.
>
>
>

If we reach and maintain herd immunity against Covid-19, then I would
expect all the restrictions and requirements to go away. Until then, we
have to deal with the situation as it is as best we can, which includes
discriminating against those who by choice are not contributing to herd
immunity.

Sylvia.

Sylvia Else wrote:
===============
>
> If we reach and maintain herd immunity against Covid-19, then I would
> expect all the restrictions and requirements to go away. Until then, we
> have to deal with the situation as it is as best we can, which includes
> discriminating against those who by choice are not contributing to herd
> immunity.
>

** Defucka has never heard of the " No Jab No Pay" laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Jab,_No_Pay

....... Phil

On 14/09/2021 9:19 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 8:57 am, Fran wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 8:44 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 8:41 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
>>>>> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the
>>>>>> current restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to
>>>>>> the mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions)
>>>>>> and the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>>>>>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>>>>>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>>>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>>>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this
>>>>>> legal discrimination.
>>>>>
>>>>> So?  There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have
>>>>> fingers and toes and no-one complains about them.
>>>>
>>>> Like? personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
>>>> entering a business. However as they already exist does that mean we
>>>> need more?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination
>>>>>> against these are not mandated for employment or to enter
>>>>>> premises, why should COVID be any different.
>>>>>
>>>>> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher
>>>>> death rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.
>>>>
>>>> True of measles mumps and rubella for example
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>>>>> overseas.
>>>>>
>>>>> How so?
>>>>
>>>> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
>>>> travel in Australia.
>>>
>>> OK I've just thought of dress codes
>>
>> LOL.  Yep.  Bloody RSLs like the one that used to be in Wentworth NSW
>> insisted that ladies remove their hats on entering!
>
> I was asked to remove my RFS cap in a pub in the City. When I asked why
> I was told it might cause gang violence. I walked out.

Well done! We should have walked out of the RSL too, but didn't.
>
>>   The ignorant hicks there said they'd even ask the Queen to remove
>> hers if she went there!
>>
> Fairfax, the footballer not the newspaper dude, was banned from his own
> leagues club for having long hair.

:-))

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
> On 14-Sep-21 10:16 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 9:29 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 14-Sep-21 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:

>>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>>>> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the
>>>> mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and
>>>> the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>>>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>>>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc. I
>>>> know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
>>>> fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>>>> discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>>>> should COVID be any different. BTW totally different from the
>>>> vaccination requirements to travel overseas.
>>>
>>> An essential difference between Covid-19 and the other vaccine
>>> preventable diseases is that Covid-19 is currently an epidemic in NSW,
>>> whereas those other diseases are not.
>>
>> No problem with restriction currently. No objection to logging in with a
>> QR code or carrying my license when exercising so I can prove I'm in my
>> LGA or even being stopped by the cops in my car to show I'm not breaking
>> the rules. However I do not want this to continue even if reasons are put
>> forward. Hey continuing to make QR log-in compulsory would be beneficial
>> in disease out-breaks, fighting crime, tracking terrorists of course it
>> could prove my innocence if accused of something.
>>
>>> If we saw a widespread outbreak of
>>> measles, then it's entirely possible that a vaccination mandate for it
>>> would come about.
>>
>> Not going to happen with our vaccination levels. Are you happy for it to
>> be considered discrimination when COVID levels reach measles vaccination
>> levels in Aus, ~95%?
>>>
>>> Discrimination laws are about discrimination on invalid grounds. We
>>> accept discrimination where it is necessary. For example, blind people
>>> cannot get driving licences.
>>
>> They can if they pass the eye test
>>
>>> Those who are wheelchair bound cannot get
>>> jobs as bicycle couriers.
>>
>> I don't consider it discrimination that I can't practice medicine because
>> I don't meet the requirements for the job
>>>
>>> I think the issue of people who cannot be vaccinated for medical grounds
>>> will be addressed. But those who choose not to be vaccinated will have
>>> to accept the consequences of that.
>>
>> I do not believe in compulsory vaccination by stealth which gives us
>> separate classes of citizen.

> If we reach and maintain herd immunity against Covid-19,

Its far from clear that that is even possible with this virus.

It is clear that it isn't with influenza and the common cold.

> then I would expect all the restrictions and requirements to go away.
> Until then, we have to deal with the situation as it is as best we can,
> which includes discriminating against those who by choice are not
> contributing to herd immunity.

On 14/09/2021 9:15 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 8:55 am, Fran wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 8:41 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
>>>> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the
>>>>> current restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the
>>>>> mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and
>>>>> the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>>>>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>>>>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this
>>>>> legal discrimination.
>>>>
>>>> So?  There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have
>>>> fingers and toes and no-one complains about them.
>>>
>>> Like?
>>
>> A classic one which you would recall is the age limits on OR ranks in
>> the military.
>
> Fair enough and people under 18 can't vote or get into pubs
>>
>> personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
>>> entering a business.
>>
>> Yes you do, you will know that full face helmets and balaclavas stop
>> going into a bank.
>
> But face-masks are now compulsory, that is apropos nothing but I find it
> interesting
>>
>> However as they already exist does that mean we
>>> need more?
>>
>> Given this is a disease and a very easily catchable one, I don't have
>> a problem with it.  At least not yet.  I may as time goes on and we
>> see more implications.
>
> As stated I don't have a problem with the current restriction but when
> (hopefully not if) they are lifted and everybody has had a chance to be
> vaccinated I am totally opposed to the mandating of vaccination for
> workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of vaccination to
> enter businesses.

If I was still working, I'd like to know that everyone there was
vaccinated. My staff used t think I was being nice when I told them to
go home when they had a cold. I wasn't. It was pure self protection as
I KNEW if cold or flu would start on one side of the floor, you cou;d
watch the results as it would spread right through the floor. Bloody
air con!
>
>>>
>>>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination
>>>>> against these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises,
>>>>> why should COVID be any different.
>>>>
>>>> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher
>>>> death rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.
>>>
>>> True of measles mumps and rubella for example
>>
>> True BUT, I odnt' think they are as transmissable as Delta.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
> Measles "It is extremely contagious: nine out of ten people who are not
> immune and share living space with an infected person will be infected."
> " About 1 in 4 individuals will be hospitalized and 1–2 in 1000 will
> die. Complications are more likely in children under age 5 and adults
> over age 20"
>
> VACCINES ARE GREAT!!!!!

No wonder sensible people get vaccinated.
>
>  Anyhow, I
>> can't hink of one person who I know who is not vaccinated against
>> those diseases. I had just this discussion with my doctor yesterday
>> and about those very diseases and more (including polio)
>
> How do you know.

I don't sit in a vaccuum and fail to talk to anyone. We've had nearly 2
years of this virus in our lives so lots of talking about vaccines and
status have gone on and particularly about why it is that muppets object
to getting vaccinated.

maybe it should be compulsory to show your vaccination
> status for these diseases. HPV vaccination status before sex without a
> condom?

Well if I was single and doing the rounds of potential partners, I'd be
seriously interested in that!
>
>>>>
>>>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>>>> overseas.
>>>>
>>>> How so?
>>>
>>> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
>>> travel in Australia.
>>
>> Would you have needed one (or similar proof of identity) prior to 1901?
>
> Wouldn't have thought so as it was travel between British Colonies
>
>> BTW, I don't consider that a major problem.  I need more cards and
>> do-hickies in my daily life than I've ever needed to get O/S.
>
> I don't consider that a valid reason to expand the need for cards and
> do-hickies

It wasn't given as a reason. It's simply an observation that I daily
cope with more shit than a vaccine passport would cause me.