They're death traps:

https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner

Oh and Mahindra, of course.

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On 15/12/2023 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> They're death traps:
>
> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner

I think you could probably say the same about *all* Chinese vehicles.
They're getting better obviously, but they have some way to go.

> Oh and Mahindra, of course.

Of course :)

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
> They're death traps:
>
> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
>
> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>

They achieved a 5-star ANCAP rating for MG4. So they managed to make a
decent body shell once, but unable or unwilling to do it across the range.

On 15/12/2023 12:01 pm, Ozix wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> They're death traps:
>>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>
>
> They achieved a 5-star ANCAP rating for MG4. So they managed to make a
> decent body shell once, but unable or unwilling to do it across the range.

The MGs were designed at Longbridge, UK but that design and development
centre has been gradually wound back over the years. Wouldn't be
surprised if the Longbridge Centre had minimal input into the MG5 since
it is purported to be on the new Modular Scalable Platform (MSP).

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On 15/12/2023 11:33 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> They're death traps:
>>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
> I think you could probably say the same about *all* Chinese vehicles.
> They're getting better obviously, but they have some way to go.

But Nissan must have been going backwards toward zero with their
Navaras, if the Buxton crash scene is any indication. No wonder you got
shed of yours, ready to detonate at any time and a *death trap* all the
time!
>
>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>
> Of course :)
>
>

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
> They're death traps:
>
> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
>
> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>

what a stupid title for your post. similar would be "Another reason not
to live in Queensland", then posting because everyone there is a
dickhead. different MG models have different ANCAP ratings. mine is 4 ..
https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mg/zs/2cd523 .. while the
electric version is 5 ..
https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mg/zs-ev/aed04c

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Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> They're death traps:
>>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>
> I think you could probably say the same about *all* Chinese vehicles.

and that's the comment we would expect from a brainless idiot. one might
say, all ppl who live in Merrimu are low class bogans?

> They're getting better obviously, but they have some way to go.
>
>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>
> Of course :)
>
>

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On 15/12/2023 3:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/12/2023 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> They're death traps:
>>>
>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>> I think you could probably say the same about *all* Chinese vehicles.
>
> and that's the comment we would expect from a brainless idiot. one might
> say, all ppl who live in Merrimu are low class bogans?

One *will say* "all ppl who live in Merrimu are low class bogans".
>
>> They're getting better obviously, but they have some way to go.
>>
>>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>
>> Of course :)
>>
>>
>
>

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On 15/12/2023 3:47 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> They're death traps:
>>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>
>
> what a stupid title for your post. similar would be "Another reason not
> to live in Queensland", then posting because everyone there is a
> dickhead. different MG models have different ANCAP ratings. mine is 4 ..
> https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mg/zs/2cd523 .. while the
> electric version is 5 ..
> https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mg/zs-ev/aed04c
>

**The fact that MG chose to release a ZERO star vehicle in 2023
tarnishes the brand completely. Same as Ford, who released a 2 star
Mustang. Hell, Toyota can manage 5 stars for a fucking delivery van!

Quite apart from the fact that I drove an MG in August. It was bad. Very
bad.

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On 15/12/2023 4:42 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> **The fact that MG chose to release a ZERO star vehicle in 2023
> tarnishes the brand completely.

It has indeed. I can't believe anyone would think doing so would be a
good idea, but then it's not like they're a high quality marque with
customers buying on brand name alone.

> Same as Ford, who released a 2 star Mustang.

Kind of, but not really. Unlike the MG, the Mustang has a cult following
and people would happily buy it regardless of how many stars it had.
Ford is probably well aware of that, and takes that into account when
building the car :)

> Hell, Toyota can manage 5 stars for a fucking delivery van!

Yeah, well, they need to. Toyota has a *long* history of building
vehicles that struggle to pass the Moose test without killing you:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQ24W_lamY

> Quite apart from the fact that I drove an MG in August. It was bad. Very
> bad.

I'm sure they are.

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On 15/12/2023 6:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 4:42 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> **The fact that MG chose to release a ZERO star vehicle in 2023
>> tarnishes the brand completely.
>
> It has indeed. I can't believe anyone would think doing so would be a
> good idea, but then it's not like they're a high quality marque with
> customers buying on brand name alone.
>
Like Toyota you mean?
>
>> Same as Ford, who released a 2 star Mustang.
>
> Kind of, but not really. Unlike the MG, the Mustang has a cult following

2 stars is 2 stars Darren. A crap result!

> and people would happily buy it regardless of how many stars it had.

Well, nobody is saying that Ford buyers are intelligent!

> Ford is probably well aware of that, and takes that into account when
> building the car :)
>
Ford: Yeah, we've sucked them in, no need to deal with the elephant in
the room!
>
>> Hell, Toyota can manage 5 stars for a fucking delivery van!
>
> Yeah, well, they need to. Toyota has a *long* history of building
> vehicles that struggle to pass the Moose test without killing you:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQ24W_lamY
>
>> Quite apart from the fact that I drove an MG in August. It was bad.
>> Very bad.
>
> I'm sure they are.
>
>

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On 15/12/2023 9:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> They're death traps:
>
> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>
Well maybe, they obviously aren't the safest things on the road, but the
zero rating is largely due to the lack of "Drivers aids". Are they
really so essential that they rank equally with crashworthyness? When I
bought my Mazda 3 it had a 5 star rating, now it would be lucky to make
3 down hill with the wind behind it. It's still the same car with the
same protections, but since it doesn't have lane-keep assist, driver
attention monitors, or speed warnings, it seems that it's much more
dangerous than when I bought it 7 years ago. My feeling is that they
should give bonus point for having these things rather than dropping the
result to zero for not having them.

On 15/12/2023 8:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 9:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> They're death traps:
>>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>>
>>
>>
Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>
> Well maybe, they obviously aren't the safest things on the road, but
> the zero rating is largely due to the lack of "Drivers aids". Are
> they really so essential that they rank equally with
> crashworthyness?

Yes. They might not do a hell of a lot for you once you're in an
accident, but they can do a hell of a lot to stop you from getting into
an accident in the first place.

Watch the video I linked to in my reply to Trevor about how poorly the
Rav4 does in a Moose Test compared to the Nissan Qashqai or the Kia
Sorento.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQ24W_lamY

The appalling handling ability of the Rav4 in this test seems to be due
entirely to a completely inadequate electronic stability control system.

> When I bought my Mazda 3 it had a 5 star rating, now it would be
> lucky to make 3 down hill with the wind behind it.

Your Mazda is irrelevant to anything being discussed here.

> It's still the same car with the same protections, but since it
> doesn't have lane-keep assist, driver attention monitors, or speed
> warnings, it seems that it's much more dangerous than when I bought
> it 7 years ago. My feeling is that they should give bonus point for
> having these things rather than dropping the result to zero for not
> having them.

Read the article. The MG earned a zero star rating for having a lack of
safety assistance features *and* a poor level of adult occupant protection.

[quote]

> The MG 5 recorded "significant injury risk measurements for the chest
> (Poor) and legs (Poor) of the driver in the frontal offset test, and
> the chest (Poor) and legs (Poor) of the rear passenger in the full
> width frontal test," according to ANCAP.

[end quote]

Interestingly, the Mahindra scored a higher adult occupant protection
ranking of 44% compared to the MG's appallingly bad 37%

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On 15/12/2023 9:22 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 8:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 15/12/2023 9:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> They're death traps:
>>>
>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>>
>> Well maybe, they obviously aren't the safest things on the road, but
>> the zero rating is largely due to the lack of "Drivers aids". Are they
>> really so essential that they rank equally with
>> crashworthyness?
>
> Yes. They might not do a hell of a lot for you once you're in an
> accident, but they can do a hell of a lot to stop you from getting into
> an accident in the first place.

Given your tendency to have accidents, I'd say any safety feature on any
car you drive needs to focus on getting you out from behind the wheel
and turn you into a *spectator*. Unfortunately autonomous driving cars
aren't quite there yet but we live in hope of getting idiots like you
off the road.
>
> Watch the video I linked to in my reply to Trevor about how poorly the
> Rav4 does in a Moose Test compared to the Nissan Qashqai or the Kia
> Sorento.
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQ24W_lamY
>
> The appalling handling ability of the Rav4 in this test seems to be due
> entirely to a completely inadequate electronic stability control system.
>
That's odd, it looks to me like the shocks need to be stiffer and a
different set of tyres fitted. *Any* stability control system is limted
by the tyre adhesion and tyre adhesion in this case is clearly being
compromised by the rather bouncy rear end. Of course the fix will result
in a more harsh ride and that is what people complain about most.
>
>> When I bought my Mazda 3 it had a 5 star rating, now it would be lucky
>> to make 3 down hill with the wind behind it.
>
> Your Mazda is irrelevant to anything being discussed here.
>
Given your propensity to lie and make shit up, *you* are irrelevant to
anything being discussed here.
>
>> It's still the same car with the same protections, but since it
>> doesn't have lane-keep assist, driver attention monitors, or speed
>> warnings, it seems that it's much more dangerous than when I bought
>> it 7 years ago. My feeling is that they should give bonus point for
>> having these things rather than dropping the result to zero for not
>> having them.
>
> Read the article. The MG earned a zero star rating for having a lack of
> safety assistance features *and* a poor level of adult occupant protection.
>
> [quote]
>
>> The MG 5 recorded "significant injury risk measurements for the chest
>> (Poor) and legs (Poor) of the driver in the frontal offset test, and
>> the chest (Poor) and legs (Poor) of the rear passenger in the full
>> width frontal test," according to ANCAP.
>
> [end quote]
>
> Interestingly, the Mahindra scored a higher adult occupant protection
> ranking of 44% compared to the MG's appallingly bad 37%
>
>

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 3:47 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> They're death traps:
>>>
>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>>
>>
>> what a stupid title for your post. similar would be "Another reason
>> not to live in Queensland", then posting because everyone there is a
>> dickhead. different MG models have different ANCAP ratings. mine is 4
>> .. https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mg/zs/2cd523 .. while the
>> electric version is 5 ..
>> https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mg/zs-ev/aed04c
>>
>
> **The fact that MG chose to release a ZERO star vehicle in 2023
> tarnishes the brand completely.

apparently a lot of ppl don't care about that since the MG ZS is the
number four top selling car in 2023.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/top-10-best-selling-cars-australia-2023-vfacts-november

most ppl base their purchasing decision on facts about the model they
choose to buy.

> Same as Ford, who released a 2 star Mustang. Hell, Toyota can manage 5
> stars for a fucking delivery van!
>
> Quite apart from the fact that I drove an MG in August. It was bad.
> Very bad.
>
>

that's just your opinion. doesn't mean it is. I don't consider my ZS to
be bad or very bad, and neither do those who purchased one to make it
the number four top selling car in 2023.

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Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 8:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 15/12/2023 9:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> They're death traps:
>>>
>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>>
>> Well maybe, they obviously aren't the safest things on the road, but
>> the zero rating is largely due to the lack of "Drivers aids". Are
>> they really so essential that they rank equally with
>> crashworthyness?
>
> Yes. They might not do a hell of a lot for you once you're in an
> accident, but they can do a hell of a lot to stop you from getting into
> an accident in the first place.
>
> Watch the video I linked to in my reply to Trevor about how poorly the
> Rav4 does in a Moose Test compared to the Nissan Qashqai or the Kia
> Sorento.
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQ24W_lamY
>
> The appalling handling ability of the Rav4 in this test seems to be
> due entirely to a completely inadequate electronic stability control
> system.
>
>
>> When I bought my Mazda 3 it had a 5 star rating, now it would be
>> lucky to make 3 down hill with the wind behind it.
>
> Your Mazda is irrelevant to anything being discussed here.

no it isn't

>
>
>> It's still the same car with the same protections, but since it
>> doesn't have lane-keep assist, driver attention monitors, or speed
>> warnings, it seems that it's much more dangerous than when I bought
>> it 7 years ago. My feeling is that they should give bonus point for
>> having these things rather than dropping the result to zero for not
>> having them.
>
> Read the article. The MG earned a zero star rating for having a lack of
> safety assistance features *and* a poor level of adult occupant
> protection.
>
> [quote]
>
>> The MG 5 recorded "significant injury risk measurements for the chest
>> (Poor) and legs (Poor) of the driver in the frontal offset test, and
>> the chest (Poor) and legs (Poor) of the rear passenger in the full
>> width frontal test," according to ANCAP.
>
> [end quote]
>
> Interestingly, the Mahindra scored a higher adult occupant protection
> ranking of 44% compared to the MG's appallingly bad 37%
>
>

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Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 8:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 15/12/2023 9:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> They're death traps:
>>>
>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>>
>> Well maybe, they obviously aren't the safest things on the road, but
>> the zero rating is largely due to the lack of "Drivers aids". Are they
>> really so essential that they rank equally with
>> crashworthyness?
>
> Yes. They might not do a hell of a lot for you once you're in an
> accident, but they can do a hell of a lot to stop you from getting into
> an accident in the first place.
>
> Watch the video I linked to in my reply to Trevor about how poorly the
> Rav4 does in a Moose Test compared to the Nissan Qashqai or the Kia
> Sorento.
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQ24W_lamY

Oh well done Fraudster! You've certainly found the most exhaustive,
comprehensive & scientific testing of handling available today. A car
full of Scandiwegians making three turns! It's more a Goose than Moose
test. Still, I can see how it'd appeal to someone who believes that the
fastest way a car can stop is to lock up all the wheels. They're both
idiotic.

alvey

On 15/12/2023 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> They're death traps:
>
> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>
> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>
To me the biggest concern is not the lack of electronic safety aids, its
their poor "crash structures", best to avoid having any crash but when
you do that's when things get ugly in cheap cars.
Another thing that IMHO aren't required to be of a higher standard are
tyres, in my experience cheap tyres can be very dangerous especially in
wet conditions yet cheap tyres are still allowed to be sold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXOE1DpjQGg
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On 15/12/2023 4:42 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 3:47 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> They're death traps:
>>>
>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>
>>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>>
>>
>> what a stupid title for your post. similar would be "Another reason
>> not to live in Queensland", then posting because everyone there is a
>> dickhead. different MG models have different ANCAP ratings. mine is 4
>> .. https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mg/zs/2cd523 .. while the
>> electric version is 5 ..
>> https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mg/zs-ev/aed04c
>>
>
> **The fact that MG chose to release a ZERO star vehicle in 2023
> tarnishes the brand completely.

Certainly not a good look for any brand.

Same as Ford, who released a 2 star
> Mustang. Hell, Toyota can manage 5 stars for a fucking delivery van!
>
> Quite apart from the fact that I drove an MG in August. It was bad. Very
> bad.
>
>
I've not driven one so can't really comment but what concerns me is that
people would rather buy a cheap new car than buy a good quality SH car
for the same money.
I see very little advantage if any in buying any new car at the moment,
very poor value for your money.

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On 15/12/2023 8:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 9:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> They're death traps:
>>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>
> Well maybe, they obviously aren't the safest things on the road, but the
> zero rating is largely due to the lack of "Drivers aids". Are they
> really so essential that they rank equally with crashworthyness? When I
> bought my Mazda 3 it had a 5 star rating, now it would be lucky to make
> 3 down hill with the wind behind it. It's still the same car with the
> same protections, but since it doesn't have lane-keep assist, driver
> attention monitors, or speed warnings, it seems that it's much more
> dangerous than when I bought it 7 years ago. My feeling is that they
> should give bonus point for having these things rather than dropping the
> result to zero for not having them.

I agree that some of the tech is over rated but what's concerning is the
lack of a good enough crash structure to protect the occupants in a
serious crash.
Your Mazda's crash structure won't be lacking and that's why I'd rather
buy something like your Mazda than a new MG.
I feel safer in my 21yr old MB than I would in a new Chinese car.

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On 16/12/2023 1:33 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/12/2023 8:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 15/12/2023 9:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> They're death traps:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>>>
>>> Well maybe, they obviously aren't the safest things on the road, but
>>> the zero rating is largely due to the lack of "Drivers aids". Are
>>> they really so essential that they rank equally with
>>> crashworthyness?
>>
>> Yes. They might not do a hell of a lot for you once you're in an
>> accident, but they can do a hell of a lot to stop you from getting into
>> an accident in the first place.
>>
>> Watch the video I linked to in my reply to Trevor about how poorly the
>> Rav4 does in a Moose Test compared to the Nissan Qashqai or the Kia
>> Sorento.
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQ24W_lamY
>>
>> The appalling handling ability of the Rav4 in this test seems to be
>> due entirely to a completely inadequate electronic stability control
>> system.
>>
>>
>>> When I bought my Mazda 3 it had a 5 star rating, now it would be
>>> lucky to make 3 down hill with the wind behind it.
>>
>> Your Mazda is irrelevant to anything being discussed here.
>
> no it isn't

Irrelevance figures highly in the fraud's life. He was irrelevant (a
loser) in the Victorian education system, irrelevant to the Victorian
apprenticeship system (didn't qualify), irrelevant to the Victorian
motor trade (didn't qualify) & irrelevant to the concept of safe and
defensive driving (crippled in accidents). No wonder he's a serial
projectionist about the *relevancy* of others.

FWIW, Keith's Mazda is a *car* so its inclusion in a forum about cars is
most assuredly *relevant*.

It is worthy of note that Darren faked a complete career, including
faked apprenticeships, faked trade qualifications and a faked car repair
business, in the motor trade in order to gain relevancy in a car related
forum. His various claims in order to appear relevant signals huge
desperation! Truly sad!
>
>>
>>
>>> It's still the same car with the same protections, but since it
>>> doesn't have lane-keep assist, driver attention monitors, or speed
>>> warnings, it seems that it's much more dangerous than when I bought
>>> it 7 years ago. My feeling is that they should give bonus point for
>>> having these things rather than dropping the result to zero for not
>>> having them.
>>
>> Read the article. The MG earned a zero star rating for having a lack of
>> safety assistance features *and* a poor level of adult occupant
>> protection.
>>
>> [quote]
>>
>>> The MG 5 recorded "significant injury risk measurements for the chest
>>> (Poor) and legs (Poor) of the driver in the frontal offset test, and
>>> the chest (Poor) and legs (Poor) of the rear passenger in the full
>>> width frontal test," according to ANCAP.
>>
>> [end quote]
>>
>> Interestingly, the Mahindra scored a higher adult occupant protection
>> ranking of 44% compared to the MG's appallingly bad 37%
>>
>>
>
>

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On 16/12/2023 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> They're death traps:
>>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>
> To me the biggest concern is not the lack of electronic safety aids, its
> their poor "crash structures", best to avoid having any crash but when
> you do that's when things get ugly in cheap cars.

It is, but then vehicle safety is as much about avoiding accidents as it
is about the protection offered *in* an accident.

> Another thing that IMHO aren't required to be of a higher standard are
> tyres, in my experience cheap tyres can be very dangerous especially in
> wet conditions yet cheap tyres are still allowed to be sold.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXOE1DpjQGg

The unfortunate thing with tyres is that a *lot* of their ability to
perform is subjective, and we've all seen examples of that. How many
times have you heard someone say they have a particular set on their car
and love them, but you had some and thought they were completely shithouse?

Personally I think it's as silly to associate expensive tyres with
quality performance as it is to equate cheap tyres with rubbish. I've
had good and bad tyres in both categories, and I'd happily bet the farm
that I'm not the only one.

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On 16/12/2023 9:46 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 4:42 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> Quite apart from the fact that I drove an MG in August. It was bad.
>> Very bad.
>>
>>
> I've not driven one so can't really comment but what concerns me is that
> people would rather buy a cheap new car than buy a good quality SH car
> for the same money.
> I see very little advantage if any in buying any new car at the moment,
> very poor value for your money.

It depends what you're buying. Everything is a mess at the moment and
the used car market is especially so with people asking insane prices
for 3 year old cars compared to new ones. I've actually seen people
asking more for a used car than what it cost new, and some seem to think
that makes sense in today's world of waiting some time for a new car to
arrive.

When it gets *that* stupid I'd rather have a new one any day.

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On 16/12/2023 9:52 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 8:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 15/12/2023 9:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> They're death traps:
>>>
>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>>
>>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>>
>> Well maybe, they obviously aren't the safest things on the road, but
>> the zero rating is largely due to the lack of "Drivers aids". Are they
>> really so essential that they rank equally with crashworthyness? When
>> I bought my Mazda 3 it had a 5 star rating, now it would be lucky to
>> make 3 down hill with the wind behind it. It's still the same car with
>> the same protections, but since it doesn't have lane-keep assist,
>> driver attention monitors, or speed warnings, it seems that it's much
>> more dangerous than when I bought it 7 years ago. My feeling is that
>> they should give bonus point for having these things rather than
>> dropping the result to zero for not having them.
>
>
> I agree that some of the tech is over rated but what's concerning is the
> lack of a good enough crash structure to protect the occupants in a
> serious crash.
> Your Mazda's crash structure won't be lacking and that's why I'd rather
> buy something like your Mazda than a new MG.
> I feel safer in my 21yr old MB than I would in a new Chinese car.

How many airbags does your old Benz have? :)

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Daryl wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 10:34 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> They're death traps:
>>
>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg-5-mahindra-scorpio-zero-star-safety-ratings/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_1&utm_medium=partner
>>
>>
>> Oh and Mahindra, of course.
>>
> To me the biggest concern is not the lack of electronic safety aids, its
> their poor "crash structures", best to avoid having any crash but when
> you do that's when things get ugly in cheap cars.
> Another thing that IMHO aren't required to be of a higher standard are
> tyres, in my experience cheap tyres can be very dangerous especially in
> wet conditions yet cheap tyres are still allowed to be sold.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXOE1DpjQGg