Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

But its going to take two years to build. Even Emley tower didn't take
that long!! This one is going to be a lattice mast - and the temp they
built at Emley whilst the tower aerials were change didn't even take six
months!

I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the 'temp'
mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

On 19/02/2022 15:33, Woody wrote:
> On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
>> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095
>
>
> But its going to take two years to build.

Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

> Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
> lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower
> aerials were change didn't even take six months!

Emley Tower took about 15 months

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126
>
> I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the
> 'temp' mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

I don't think it's man enough, very different design  and support
arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.

Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they didn't
need to worry about any newts etc

In article <j7cl1fFjim0U1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > But its going to take two years to build.
>
> Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

Shirley, that is standard time-planning in any construction job?

"They want it inside 18 months."

"Yeah well - it's going to take two years. Tell 'em it'll take 18
months, plus a bit for unforeseens -- say 19 months, tops."

John

On Sat 19/02/2022 16:43, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 15:33, Woody wrote:
>> On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095
>>
>>
>> But its going to take two years to build.
>
> Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?
>
>> Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
>> lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower
>> aerials were change didn't even take six months!
>
> Emley Tower took about 15 months
>
> http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126
>>
>> I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the
>> 'temp' mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?
>
> I don't think it's man enough, very different design  and support
> arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.
>
> Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they didn't
> need to worry about any newts etc
>

Peterborough was a complete rebuild, tower, buildings, access, security
etc etc.

The 'two years' was where I saw the report (thank you BBC!) - perhaps
poor journalistic maths?

On 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
protected spot in the entire country"?

--

Jeff

In article <sureou$5j7$1@dont-email.me>,
Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
> > Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
> >
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

> Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
> protected spot in the entire country"?

Reminds me of the 1970s' public meeting into a tv relay for one of the
Yorkshire Dales. Elderly resident "Bugger the Moor, let's have the telly!"

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 19/02/2022 18:14, Woody wrote:
> On Sat 19/02/2022 16:43, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 15:33, Woody wrote:
>>> On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095
>>>
>>>
>>> But its going to take two years to build.
>>
>> Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?
>>
>>> Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
>>> lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower
>>> aerials were change didn't even take six months!
>>
>> Emley Tower took about 15 months
>>
>> http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126
>>>
>>> I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the
>>> 'temp' mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?
>>
>> I don't think it's man enough, very different design  and support
>> arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.
>>
>> Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they
>> didn't need to worry about any newts etc
>>
>
> Peterborough was a complete rebuild, tower, buildings, access,
> security etc etc.
>
> The 'two years' was where I saw the report (thank you BBC!) - perhaps
> poor journalistic maths?

The BBC report I quoted, or another one ?

On 19/02/2022 19:00, Jeff Layman wrote:
> Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
> protected spot in the entire country"?

Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?

In message <surmc0$4tv$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>On 19/02/2022 19:00, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
>> protected spot in the entire country"?
>
>Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?

It's given as a direct quote from "North York Moors National Park
planning director Chris France", so one would hope it's what he actually
said.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On 19/02/2022 21:35, John Hall wrote:
> In message <surmc0$4tv$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>> On 19/02/2022 19:00, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>> Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
>>> protected spot in the entire country"?
>>
>> Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?
>
> It's given as a direct quote from "North York Moors National Park
> planning director Chris France", so one would hope it's what he actually
> said.

But why? What's so special about Bilsdale?

--

Jeff

On 19/02/2022 21:45, Jeff Layman wrote:
> But why? What's so special about Bilsdale?

I suspect it is not referring to specifically Bilsdale, more likely the
whole North Yorkshire Moors.

In message <suroe3$im3$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
<jmlayman@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 19/02/2022 21:35, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <surmc0$4tv$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>>> On 19/02/2022 19:00, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>> Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
>>>> protected spot in the entire country"?
>>>
>>> Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?
>> It's given as a direct quote from "North York Moors National Park
>> planning director Chris France", so one would hope it's what he actually
>> said.
>
>But why? What's so special about Bilsdale?
>

Given his job, perhaps he's biassed.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

So I do hope designers were watching the weather over the last few days.
If they are just replacing it how come they need planning permission?

Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

There always people wanting to have an aerial site for their services
though, I'd imagine it probably already pre booked.
Brian

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"Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
>> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095
>
>
> But its going to take two years to build. Even Emley tower didn't take
> that long!! This one is going to be a lattice mast - and the temp they
> built at Emley whilst the tower aerials were change didn't even take six
> months!
>
> I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the 'temp'
> mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

So have they given up on the tubular guyed masts now? I mean, surely with
modern materials they could be built more robustly.
Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 19/02/2022 15:33, Woody wrote:
>> On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095
>>
>>
>> But its going to take two years to build.
>
> Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?
>
>> Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
>> lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower aerials
>> were change didn't even take six months!
>
> Emley Tower took about 15 months
>
> http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126
>>
>> I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the 'temp'
>> mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?
>
> I don't think it's man enough, very different design and support
> arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.
>
> Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they didn't
> need to worry about any newts etc
>

On 20/02/2022 12:09, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> If they are just replacing it how come they need planning permission?

Like for like replacements don't need planning permission, but anything
that isn't an exact replica does.

Jim

On 20/02/2022 12:13, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> So have they given up on the tubular guyed masts now? I mean, surely with
> modern materials they could be built more robustly.
I think they are considered inherently too unstable today. About half a
dozen in Europe have collapsed or been fatally damaged over the last few
decades,

After the Hoogersmilde fire and collapse in The Netherlands about 10
years ago, apparently the Dutch have banned to use of any 'active'
equipment at height in the remaining tubular masts.

On 19.02.2022 16:08, Mark Carver wrote:
> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

Radio services are/were going to be moved to the new Bilsdale tower next
Tuesday 16th, with local services (BBC Tees) on 95.0 MHz. The temporary
transmitters at Eston Nab (95.0 MHz) and Darlington (104.0 MHz) will be
closed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/bilsdale-radio-retune

These changes appear to be delayed, maybe due to bad weather: "***This
work has been postponed until further notice***"

Regards,
Uli

On 13/01/2024 14:57, Ulrich Onken wrote:
> On 19.02.2022 16:08, Mark Carver wrote:
>> Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095
>
> Radio services are/were going to be moved to the new Bilsdale tower next
> Tuesday 16th, with local services (BBC Tees) on 95.0 MHz. The temporary
> transmitters at Eston Nab (95.0 MHz) and Darlington (104.0 MHz) will be
> closed.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/bilsdale-radio-retune
>
> These changes appear to be delayed, maybe due to bad weather:

The antennas and feeders will already be in place if the switch on was
to be this Tuesday. Therefore I doubt the hold up is weather related

On 13.01.2024 16:40, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 13/01/2024 14:57, Ulrich Onken wrote:

>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/bilsdale-radio-retune
>>
>> These changes appear to be delayed, maybe due to bad weather:
>
> The antennas and feeders will already be in place if the switch on was
> to be this Tuesday. Therefore I doubt the hold up is weather related

For whatever reason, the delay is just one week, and the same link as
above indicates that the switch is going to happen tomorrow.

Since I am updating the database at fmlist.org: Does anyone know which
of the two DTV panels planned at 300 m and 275 m are used for the PSB
and COM multiplexes? I am just guessing that the PSB services (100 kW)
come from the lower panels and COM (50 kW) from the upper ones. There
are pictures of the two DTV antenna sections at
https://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=744&pageid=4366#

Regards,
Uli