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 by: Indy Jess John - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 20:50 UTC

On 08/03/2022 17:08, Andy Burns wrote:
> Indy Jess John wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> The Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004 doesn't use the word
>>> "live" but the phrase "at the same time (or virtually the same time)"
>>>
>>> <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2004/692/regulation/9/made>
>>
>> That Act must have been replaced or updated
>
> I didn't particularly mean to link to the "as made" version, here's the up to
> date one, but that part essentially says the same thing
>
> <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2004/692/regulation/9>
>
>> because it says:
>> 6.—(1) No fee shall be payable for a TV licence of a type referred to in the
>> first or second entry in column 1 of the table in Schedule 1 where—
>> (a) the licence is issued to a person aged 75 years or more or to a person who
>> will attain that age in the calendar month in which the licence is issued;
>>
>> I found a 2016 amendment which still includes free licences for 75 or over but
>> restricts the qualification to "the licence is issued to a person who has
>> attained the age of 75 before 1st September 2016" which means those born in the
>> summer of 1941 or earlier.
>
> Yes, there are similar amendments each year from 2017, 18 and 19. Can't see the
> change where free licences were withdrawn though

Nor could I. I imagine the restriction of being free only if someone is
born in 1941 or earlier has been overlooked in the general complaint
that the over-75s don't get a free licence, when this year it is only
the over-81s who are legally exempt and the qualification date is fixed
so that next year it will be the over-82s and so on. Because of the
muddled publicity I don't suppose many of the over-81s are aware that
they could have a licence without paying, and I don't suppose the TV
Licensing collectors are going to tell any of them who do pay that they
didn't need to.

Jim

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 by: Jim Lesurf - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 10:44 UTC

In article <3h1e2h188n72qt8e9kt65j3v2no5c8rgib@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 00:05:38 +0000, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
> wrote:

> >> They don't speak Gaelic in Shetland = but Edinburgh has both Primary
> >> & Secondary Gselic schools.
> >
> >You surprise me.

> I had heard that more people speak Gaelic in Glasgow and Edinburgh than
> in the highlands and islands, but wondered how many are true native
> speakers who have it as their first language, and how many are
> historical enthusiasts learning it academically to preserve it.

My recollection is that overall the area-smoothed number of Gaelic speakers
per sq km is much the same across Scotland. The fraction of the local
population is therefore highest where the population density is lowest.
i.e. in the H and I. Not sure how cities came into that, though, as I can't
recall the smoothing area.

Jim

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 by: Jim Lesurf - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 10:45 UTC

In article <t07240$jgc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
wrote:
> If you look at the maps Scots Gaelic is spoken mainly in the north west.
> I'm surprised there isn't a regional news operation that covers at least
> the north east, with Orkney and Shetland, perhaps centred on Aberdeen.
> When I was in Lerwick Glasgow seemed a very long way away, and no more
> relevant than London.

Can't recall for sound radio, but there is BBC Alba.

Jim

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 by: Tweed - Wed, 9 Mar 2022 10:11 UTC

Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <t07240$jgc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> If you look at the maps Scots Gaelic is spoken mainly in the north west.
>> I'm surprised there isn't a regional news operation that covers at least
>> the north east, with Orkney and Shetland, perhaps centred on Aberdeen.
>> When I was in Lerwick Glasgow seemed a very long way away, and no more
>> relevant than London.
>
> Can't recall for sound radio, but there is BBC Alba.
>
> Jim
>

BBC Alba isn’t aimed at English speaking audiences though. I’ve no
objection to it as a channel, but it doesn’t really serve the north east of
Scotland, which doesn’t seem to embrace Gaelic. It seems odd that the
western isles can have a channel that embraces their culture but Caithness,
Orkney, Shetland etc get very little.

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 by: MB - Wed, 9 Mar 2022 10:58 UTC

On 08/03/2022 10:44, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> My recollection is that overall the area-smoothed number of Gaelic speakers
> per sq km is much the same across Scotland. The fraction of the local
> population is therefore highest where the population density is lowest.
> i.e. in the H and I. Not sure how cities came into that, though, as I can't
> recall the smoothing area.

There used to small news operations in several parts of Scotland but
most have gone now and the remaining ones just do a brief news bulletin
- not sure how much Radio Highland do nowadays as I never listen to
Radio Scotland.

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 by: MB - Wed, 9 Mar 2022 11:15 UTC

On 09/03/2022 10:11, Tweed wrote:
> BBC Alba isn’t aimed at English speaking audiences though. I’ve no
> objection to it as a channel, but it doesn’t really serve the north east of
> Scotland, which doesn’t seem to embrace Gaelic. It seems odd that the
> western isles can have a channel that embraces their culture but Caithness,
> Orkney, Shetland etc get very little.

I occasionally watch BBC Alba, they do some excellent programmes like
the recent one on military training in the Highlands in WWII, the
Mermaid from Uist, The Locah Treig Hermit ...

But like Radio nan Gaidheal, they inflate their figures a bit by
carrying some football.

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From: use...@andyburns.uk (Andy Burns)
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Subject: Re: BBC local news - South and Sout-East
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 11:42:32 +0000
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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 9 Mar 2022 11:42 UTC

Roderick Stewart wrote:

> I think the wording means if you're 75 years old you can't just not
> have a licence; you still have to have a licence but you don't pay for
> it. You'd think the paper pushers would be busy enough already.

Now you have to be over 75 *and* on some sort of means tested benefit (or maybe
only pension credit, IDK) to get a free licence, Dad had gone back to paying
again last year.

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From: jennings...@fastmail.fm (JNugent)
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Subject: Re: BBC local news - South and Sout-East
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 by: JNugent - Wed, 9 Mar 2022 14:18 UTC

On 09/03/2022 11:42 am, Andy Burns wrote:

> Roderick Stewart wrote:
>
>> I think the wording means if you're 75 years old you can't just not
>> have a licence; you still have to have a licence but you don't pay for
>> it. You'd think the paper pushers would be busy enough already.
>
> Now you have to be over 75 *and* on some sort of means tested benefit
> (or maybe only pension credit, IDK) to get a free licence, Dad had gone
> back to paying again last year.

"Pension Credit" is the name of the means-tested weekly benefit payable
to people over pension age - if their circumstances warrant it.

They cannot get JSA, Income Support or any other weekly "living costs"
benefit available to people below pension age except (perhaps) for
Housing Benefit (if applicable) and assistance with Council Tax.

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From: noi...@audiomisc.co.uk (Jim Lesurf)
Subject: Re: BBC local news - South and Sout-East
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 by: Jim Lesurf - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 09:02 UTC

In article <br3h2hl8hl8u4nkq6kahrdi8mue8rnfmi5@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 12:47:36 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> >So do you still not need a licence if you start watching a programme on
> > iPlayer after it has finished being broadcast?

> iPlayer is the exception. It's the only streaming service for which you
> *do* need a licence even to watch catchup programmes.

> You need a licence to watch *anything* on iPlayer.

I wonder if this was a factor in the recent decision/announcement that
radio programmes via stream/podcast sites other than the BBC's will be
delayed 4 weeks. Puts some pressure on listeners to use the BBC for access,
not third parties who can promote themselves off the back of the BBC.

Jim

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