19-y-o (soon to be 20), has had moped & 125 since getting provisional
licence at 16, needs cheap reliable economical car with cheap insurance,
about £2,000, not more.

Have been looking at cars registered around 2011-2012, some
possibilities incl. Corsa, peugeot 107, citroen c1, etc. Does not want a
written-off repaired one, or to take parental contributions!

Is something reasonable possible at this price, not all dented or
chavved up?

Some of these 10-year-olds seem to have horrific MOT records, indicating
neglect of maintenance, I suppose that's "the modern motoring public"...

On 01/11/2021 12:49, Chris Bacon wrote:
> 19-y-o (soon to be 20), has had moped & 125 since getting provisional
> licence at 16, needs cheap reliable economical car with cheap insurance,
> about £2,000, not more.
>
> Have been looking at cars registered around 2011-2012, some
> possibilities incl. Corsa, peugeot 107, citroen c1, etc. Does not want a
> written-off repaired one, or to take parental contributions!
>

There are a few youtube video about on this subject.

e.g.

Top 10 CHEAPEST First Cars With CHEAP INSURANCE For 17-Year-Olds &
Students (UNDER £1,000)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfY0zv1M9tQ

And then

Chops Garage
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT_S4n3zhY8gvUY04GVlz3g

Where he flips and polishes up old used cars for a living, them bought
from auctions. Some don't look too bad?

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Adrian C

Chris Bacon <chris.p.bacon@maildrop.cc> wrote:
> 19-y-o (soon to be 20), has had moped & 125 since getting provisional
> licence at 16, needs cheap reliable economical car with cheap insurance,
> about £2,000, not more.

Parkers have a database of insurance groups:
https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-insurance/cheap-cars/
although I think cars are weighted by past claims, so it doesn't depend
entirely on the group.

> Have been looking at cars registered around 2011-2012, some
> possibilities incl. Corsa, peugeot 107, citroen c1, etc. Does not want a
> written-off repaired one, or to take parental contributions!
>
> Is something reasonable possible at this price, not all dented or
> chavved up?

Used car prices are quite high at the moment - more people wanting to buy
cars post-lockdown. I priced up my 15yo car and the going rate is more than
I paid for it 5 years ago!

> Some of these 10-year-olds seem to have horrific MOT records, indicating
> neglect of maintenance, I suppose that's "the modern motoring public"...

It seems like there's a certain category of popular 'first car' vehicles, and they
might not have been well looked after. I wonder if there's certain vehicles
which are not on the teenage popularity list and so are in better condition.
Fancy a Dacia Sandero, for example (group 2)?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202110017997214

Theo

In article <bPf*c6byy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Used car prices are quite high at the moment - more people wanting to
> buy cars post-lockdown. I priced up my 15yo car and the going rate is
> more than I paid for it 5 years ago!

There may be some bargains in London for relatively recent diesels - up to
about 2015. As earlier ones have to pay to drive in the new ULEZ.
Somewhere between 100-300,000 vehicles, including older petrol.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Chris Bacon <chris.p.bacon@maildrop.cc> wrote:
> 19-y-o (soon to be 20), has had moped & 125 since getting provisional
> licence at 16, needs cheap reliable economical car with cheap insurance,
> about £2,000, not more.
>
> Have been looking at cars registered around 2011-2012, some
> possibilities incl. Corsa, peugeot 107, citroen c1, etc. Does not want a
> written-off repaired one, or to take parental contributions!
>
> Is something reasonable possible at this price, not all dented or
> chavved up?
>
> Some of these 10-year-olds seem to have horrific MOT records, indicating
> neglect of maintenance, I suppose that's "the modern motoring public"...
>

Deeply unfashionable estate cars are sometimes surprisingly cheap to insure
for youngsters. Worth a look.

Tim

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On 01/11/2021 12:49, Chris Bacon wrote:
> 19-y-o (soon to be 20), has had moped & 125 since getting provisional
> licence at 16, needs cheap reliable economical car with cheap insurance,
> about £2,000, not more.
>
> Have been looking at cars registered around 2011-2012, some
> possibilities incl. Corsa, peugeot 107, citroen c1, etc. Does not want a
> written-off repaired one, or to take parental contributions!
>
> Is something reasonable possible at this price, not all dented or
> chavved up?
>
> Some of these 10-year-olds seem to have horrific MOT records, indicating
> neglect of maintenance, I suppose that's "the modern motoring public"...

Small vans like Bedford HA used to be cheaper to insure. Won't be
getting 4 mates in it for a night out. Maybe the van versions of these
small cars are as well.

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <bPf*c6byy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > Used car prices are quite high at the moment - more people wanting to
> > buy cars post-lockdown. I priced up my 15yo car and the going rate is
> > more than I paid for it 5 years ago!
>
> There may be some bargains in London for relatively recent diesels - up to
> about 2015. As earlier ones have to pay to drive in the new ULEZ.
> Somewhere between 100-300,000 vehicles, including older petrol.

Are there diesels cheap enough to insure for a teenage driver? I'd have
thought there's not much overlap between low insurance group cars and
diesels - not too many 1.0 diesel hatchbacks these days.

Theo

Chris Bacon <chris.p.bacon@maildrop.cc> wrote:
> 19-y-o (soon to be 20), has had moped & 125 since getting provisional
> licence at 16, needs cheap reliable economical car with cheap insurance,
> about £2,000, not more.
>
> Have been looking at cars registered around 2011-2012, some
> possibilities incl. Corsa, peugeot 107, citroen c1, etc. Does not want a
> written-off repaired one, or to take parental contributions!
>
> Is something reasonable possible at this price, not all dented or
> chavved up?
>
> Some of these 10-year-olds seem to have horrific MOT records, indicating
> neglect of maintenance, I suppose that's "the modern motoring public"...
>

Look at an Aygo.

Loads around second hand, I suspect due to clever Toyota marketing /
finance deals.

We bought a new one in Oct, Senior Management loves it. We picked it for
several reasons - weight being a key one as we tow it . Loads of gizmos
for a small car, even on the older ones.

Toyotas seem to have very good reliability etc. Virtually the same as the
C1 and 107.

On 01/11/2021 12:49, Chris Bacon wrote:
> 19-y-o (soon to be 20), has had moped & 125 since getting provisional
> licence at 16, needs cheap reliable economical car with cheap insurance,
> about £2,000, not more.
>
> Have been looking at cars registered around 2011-2012, some
> possibilities incl. Corsa, peugeot 107, citroen c1, etc. Does not want a
> written-off repaired one, or to take parental contributions!
>
> Is something reasonable possible at this price, not all dented or
> chavved up?
>
> Some of these 10-year-olds seem to have horrific MOT records, indicating
> neglect of maintenance, I suppose that's "the modern motoring public"...

Well, thanks various - after a few days looking around, a Vauxhall Corsa
1.2 16V Limited Edition 3dr 2014 was bought at auction, £2,400. Highish
mileage, just over 100,000, but I'd pick higher mileage over higher age
any day. New exhaust system fitted this year, also new timing chain &
waterpump, oil & filter. A couple of minor niggles (glove box door,
vent) were fixed, it looks good. Ooh, shiny!

"Black box" insurance was coming out at about £1,500, but adding me as a
named driver (?!) reduced that by about £300, which was nice.