Fran wrote on 11/2/24 12:45 pm:
> On 11/02/2024 9:53 am, Ördög wrote:
>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>
>> /snip bucket loads of crap/
>>
>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple wives and
>>> CES gives them each a housing Commision house which they in turn rent
>>> out, isn't that nice of him
>>>
>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such scary-outrage
>> visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat your daily alcohol
>> intake. :-P    :-P    :-P
>
> I wonder what "CES" is?  I can't think of any organisation with that
> acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....

I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth *Employment*
Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's ..... but I don't recall
them EVER offering me Housing!!
--
Daniel

Daniel65
> Fran
>> Ördög
>>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>>
>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple wives and
>>>> CES gives them each a housing Commision house which they in turn rent
>>>> out, isn't that nice of him
>>>>
>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such scary-outrage
>>> visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat your daily alcohol
>>> intake. :-P    :-P    :-P
>>
>> I wonder what "CES" is?  I can't think of any organisation with that
>> acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>
> I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth *Employment*
> Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's ..... but I don't recall
> them EVER offering me Housing!!

But Daniel!
You and Fran both live on planet Earth in this reality, while things
work differently in the alternate Universe Petz inhabits after his daily
Goon Bags binge.
Apparently there, employment services mainly deal with housing issues,
while the department of housing manages all employment a dole related
matters ... makes sense, eh? ... NOT! ;-)

Anyhow, wasn't it lying rodent gnome Howard who has CES outsource the
bulk of the employment services to his business mates ... with the
wonderful effect that even fewer people found meaningful jobs, while the
taxpayers were made to ensure that these private agencies were paid
quite handsomely for their social disservice. ;-)

--
The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.

end where one generation could be better off
>> than the one that preceded it.
>
>And an economy that is known to benefit for that constant influx of
>migrants regardless of your (or my) personal opinion about that constant
>flow.
>
>> If immigration drove our economy to where it is today,
>> one must be incredibly self-unaware to crow about these
>> results.
>
>
>It's not about 'one' doing any crowing. It's about governments and
>institutions being able to prove that economically, migrants provide an
>economic benefit to the country.

Yet at what rate? The disastrous European and English experience
raises a question...what if the immigration occurred at half the rate
it did?

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:31:09 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:10:37 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 07:53:12 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man
>> <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-08, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:02:59 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man
>>>> <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-06, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 09:45:08 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sleazy Albanese has this in his sights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dunno, doubt he would risk another broken promise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Expect to see a reduction in this benefit in the near future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unlikely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The benefits of this tax break has not
>>>>>>>>>> reduced property prices nor rent levels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was never intended to but it certainly
>>>>>>>>> does increase the available rental stock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proponents of this scam have their snouts in the trough!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like that Yankee fool Alan Greenspan keeping interest rates low
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> umpteen years, hoping this would stimulate employment and
>>>>>>>>>> investment,
>>>>>>>>>> instead gave speculators the green light to rape and loot!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing like with negative gearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BAH!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fuck off sheeple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I won't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, the dogs are off their chains.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also we're being softened up for a vacancytax, where unused sites
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> incur a tax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fantasy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Single-person households will have to pay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even Albo isnt THAT stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Much like the window tax of the 1700s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing even remotely like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Asian owners of empty high-rise towers expect this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Irrelevant to what happens here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember the governor of the reserve bank commenting that if people
>>>>>> could double up and live several to a house, then much of the problem
>>>>>> could be solved. Too right. There used to be granny flats, and
>>>>>> granny could take care of the kids while mummy went to work.
>>>>>> So....
>>>>>> Pressure off housing.
>>>>>> Pressure off day care.
>>>>>> Pressure off aged care.
>>>>>> Pressure off we poor struggling taxpayers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed the solution would be for interest rates to go MUCH higher so
>>>>>> forcing the idle poor to cohabit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Did the governor of the reserve bank really say something so
>>>>> braindead?
>>>>
>>>> He said only "if people lived together" there would less pressure on
>>>> housing. I have extrapolated.
>>>>
>>>> And I forgot to mention the vast amounts of money thrown away by the
>>>> idle poor on international travel, a wholly unnecessary expense which
>>>> benefits only the overseas gypsies. And the airlines, I suppose.
>>>>>
>>>>> that would only increases prices further, as sellers and landlords
>>>>> will
>>>>> be able to charge even more.
>>>>>
>>>> No, because there would be less demand.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And, while I'm at it, why not re-introduce the luxury tax? And death
>>>> duties?
>>>
>>> I think the supply of money more than the supply of houses, affects
>>> the price of housing. If supply isn't plentiful, price determined
>>> by what the market can bear, will increase of the burden the market
>>> can take is increased. Increasing the number of wage earners
>>> per dwelling effectively increases what the household can bear
>>> in terms of house prices/rentals, which allows sellers and landlords
>>> to further increase prices. If you have 3 wage earners, they together
>>> can pay far more than one wage earner. I would think something similar
>>> happened when it became more common for both parents to be wage earners.
>>>
>>> As a solution, it would just lower the standard, and push those who are
>>> only living say, one couple per dwelling, out of the market as those
>>> who are willing to share outcompete and outbid them, ie, a race
>>> to the bottom.
>
>> I might be missing something,
>
>As always
>
>> but why does negative gearing have to be all or nothing? A simple
>> reform would be to cut the benefit in half.
>
>But would inevitably make the lack of housing worse, stupid.

Well, I know nothing about economics (of the kicked-upstairs Keynesian
Ivy League American variety), so I respond....if negative gearing is
so good why not double the benefit?
This would have everyone seizing hammers and nails and rushing out to
build umpteen houses.

Gee Rodney, have you ever thought of joining a contemplative order?

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 08:32:10 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:31:09 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:10:37 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 07:53:12 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man
>>> <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-08, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:02:59 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man
>>>>> <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-02-06, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 09:45:08 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sleazy Albanese has this in his sights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dunno, doubt he would risk another broken promise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Expect to see a reduction in this benefit in the near future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unlikely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The benefits of this tax break has not
>>>>>>>>>>> reduced property prices nor rent levels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was never intended to but it certainly
>>>>>>>>>> does increase the available rental stock.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proponents of this scam have their snouts in the trough!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like that Yankee fool Alan Greenspan keeping interest rates low
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> umpteen years, hoping this would stimulate employment and
>>>>>>>>>>> investment,
>>>>>>>>>>> instead gave speculators the green light to rape and loot!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing like with negative gearing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BAH!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fuck off sheeple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, I won't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, the dogs are off their chains.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also we're being softened up for a vacancytax, where unused sites
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> incur a tax.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fantasy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Single-person households will have to pay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even Albo isnt THAT stupid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Much like the window tax of the 1700s.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing even remotely like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Asian owners of empty high-rise towers expect this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to what happens here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember the governor of the reserve bank commenting that if
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> could double up and live several to a house, then much of the
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> could be solved. Too right. There used to be granny flats, and
>>>>>>> granny could take care of the kids while mummy went to work.
>>>>>>> So....
>>>>>>> Pressure off housing.
>>>>>>> Pressure off day care.
>>>>>>> Pressure off aged care.
>>>>>>> Pressure off we poor struggling taxpayers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed the solution would be for interest rates to go MUCH higher
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> forcing the idle poor to cohabit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did the governor of the reserve bank really say something so
>>>>>> braindead?
>>>>>
>>>>> He said only "if people lived together" there would less pressure on
>>>>> housing. I have extrapolated.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I forgot to mention the vast amounts of money thrown away by the
>>>>> idle poor on international travel, a wholly unnecessary expense which
>>>>> benefits only the overseas gypsies. And the airlines, I suppose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that would only increases prices further, as sellers and landlords
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be able to charge even more.
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, because there would be less demand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And, while I'm at it, why not re-introduce the luxury tax? And death
>>>>> duties?
>>>>
>>>> I think the supply of money more than the supply of houses, affects
>>>> the price of housing. If supply isn't plentiful, price determined
>>>> by what the market can bear, will increase of the burden the market
>>>> can take is increased. Increasing the number of wage earners
>>>> per dwelling effectively increases what the household can bear
>>>> in terms of house prices/rentals, which allows sellers and landlords
>>>> to further increase prices. If you have 3 wage earners, they together
>>>> can pay far more than one wage earner. I would think something
>>>> similar
>>>> happened when it became more common for both parents to be wage
>>>> earners.
>>>>
>>>> As a solution, it would just lower the standard, and push those who
>>>> are
>>>> only living say, one couple per dwelling, out of the market as those
>>>> who are willing to share outcompete and outbid them, ie, a race
>>>> to the bottom.
>>
>>> I might be missing something,
>>
>> As always
>>
>>> but why does negative gearing have to be all or nothing? A simple
>>> reform would be to cut the benefit in half.

>> But would inevitably make the lack of housing worse, stupid.

> Well, I know nothing about economics

That's always been obvious.

< (of the kicked-upstairs Keynesian
> Ivy League American variety), so Irespond....if negative gearing is so
> good

No one ever said that. What we are saying is that if it
was removed now, with the rental market much tighter
than it has been for more than half a century, that would
make the already very tight rental market even worse and
even you should be able to work out that isnt desirable.

> why not double the benefit?

Because fuck all would be losing money on
their rental property currently, at most those
who are choosing to rent out their holiday
house for the part of the year they don't
choose to use it themselves and so doubling
the benefit wouldnt do anything useful for
the ECONOMY or the rental market either,

> This would have everyone seizing hammers andnails and rushing out to
> build umpteen houses.

Nope, because in the current very tight rental
market, they would not be able to claim the loss
they would make on the property using negative
gearing, because there would be no loss, stupid.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 12:45:34 +1100, Fran
<gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
wrote:

>On 11/02/2024 9:53 am, Ördög wrote:
>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>
>> /snip bucket loads of crap/
>>
>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple wives and
>>> CES gives them each a housing Commision house which they in turn rent
>>> out, isn't that nice of him
>>>
>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such scary-outrage
>> visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat your daily alcohol
>> intake. :-P    :-P    :-P
>
>I wonder what "CES" is? I can't think of any organisation with that
>acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>
Well I went to Services Australia, which now ALL operate from
CES/Centrelink buildings.
>
>> Furthermore, constantly immersing yourself in
>> eXed-Twitter/Facebook/Murdoch-media propagated racist
>> Xenophobia/Islamophobia scare- and hatemongering propaganda will
>> definitely rot your few still remaining functional brain cells.  :-P
>> :-P    :-P
>>
--
Petzl
We know the inane Dumb4 are lying,
they know they are lying,
they know we know they are lying,
we know they know we know they are lying,
but they are still lying.
"Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn"

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 20:05:27 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Fran wrote on 11/2/24 12:45 pm:
>> On 11/02/2024 9:53 am, Ördög wrote:
>>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>>
>>> /snip bucket loads of crap/
>>>
>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple wives and
>>>> CES gives them each a housing Commision house which they in turn rent
>>>> out, isn't that nice of him
>>>>
>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such scary-outrage
>>> visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat your daily alcohol
>>> intake. :-P    :-P    :-P
>>
>> I wonder what "CES" is?  I can't think of any organisation with that
>> acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>
>I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth *Employment*
>Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's ..... but I don't recall
>them EVER offering me Housing!!
>
Well I went to Services Australia, which now ALL operate from
CES/Centrelink buildings.
>
--
Petzl
If in doubt kick them out!
Politician's are nothing more than a con game in insincerity!

Charlatanism is a necessary price of political freedom and if
a self-proclaimed politician, persuades others to believe in
a party which propounds, lack of sincerity or integrity on
the parties part, but is not incompatible with the parties
character or their beliefs, practices and observances and
being accepted by their voters, why not?

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!

On 11/02/2024 8:05 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 11/2/24 12:45 pm:
>> On 11/02/2024 9:53 am, Ördög wrote:
>>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>>
>>> /snip bucket loads of crap/
>>>
>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple wives and
>>>> CES gives them each a housing Commision house which they in turn rent
>>>> out, isn't that nice of him
>>>>
>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such scary-outrage
>>> visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat your daily alcohol
>>> intake. :-P    :-P    :-P
>>
>> I wonder what "CES" is?  I can't think of any organisation with that
>> acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>
> I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth *Employment*
> Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's ..... but I don't recall
> them EVER offering me Housing!!

Yep. They never did do housing and, additionally, it was a Federal
organisation so would have nothing to do with allocating housing anyway
as that is a state responsibility.

On 12/02/2024 7:34 am, Ördög wrote:
> Daniel65
>> Fran
>>> Ördög
>>>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>>>
>>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple wives and
>>>>> CES gives them each a housing Commision house which they in turn rent
>>>>> out, isn't that nice of him
>>>>>
>>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such scary-outrage
>>>> visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat your daily alcohol
>>>> intake. :-P    :-P    :-P
>>>
>>> I wonder what "CES" is?  I can't think of any organisation with that
>>> acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>>
>> I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth *Employment*
>> Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's ..... but I don't
>> recall them EVER offering me Housing!!
>
> But Daniel!
> You and Fran both live on planet Earth in this reality, while things
> work differently in the alternate Universe Petz inhabits after his daily
> Goon Bags binge.
> Apparently there, employment services mainly deal with housing issues,
> while the department of housing manages all employment a dole related
> matters ... makes sense, eh?  ... NOT!   ;-)
>
> Anyhow, wasn't it lying rodent gnome Howard who has CES outsource the
> bulk of the employment services to his business mates ... with the
> wonderful effect that even fewer people found meaningful jobs, while the
> taxpayers were made to ensure that these private agencies were paid
> quite handsomely for their social disservice. ;-)

I can't remeber which lyign roent of a Federal politician it was who did
the outsorucing but Rudd's wife became a very rich woman as a result of
that outsourcing and people who just wanted to get a job got right
royally screwed.
>

Fran wrote on 12/2/24 4:14 pm:
> On 11/02/2024 8:05 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Fran wrote on 11/2/24 12:45 pm:
>>> On 11/02/2024 9:53 am, Ördög wrote:
>>>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>>>
>>>> /snip bucket loads of crap/
>>>>
>>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple
>>>>> wives and CES gives them each a housing Commision house which
>>>>> they in turn rent out, isn't that nice of him
>>>>>
>>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such
>>>> scary-outrage visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat
>>>> your daily alcohol intake. :-P :-P :-P
>>>
>>> I wonder what "CES" is? I can't think of any organisation with
>>> that acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>>
>> I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth
>> *Employment* Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's .....
>> but I don't recall them EVER offering me Housing!!
>
> Yep. They never did do housing and, additionally, it was a Federal
> organisation so would have nothing to do with allocating housing
> anyway as that is a state responsibility.

Stop it, Fran, stop using LOGIC in your discussions with Petzl!! ;-P
--
Daniel

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 08:25:34 +1100
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> end where one generation could be better off
> >> than the one that preceded it.
> >
> >And an economy that is known to benefit for that constant influx of
> >migrants regardless of your (or my) personal opinion about that constant
> >flow.
> >
> >> If immigration drove our economy to where it is today,
> >> one must be incredibly self-unaware to crow about these
> >> results.
> >
> >
> >It's not about 'one' doing any crowing. It's about governments and
> >institutions being able to prove that economically, migrants provide an
> >economic benefit to the country.
>
> Yet at what rate? The disastrous European and English experience
> raises a question...what if the immigration occurred at half the rate
> it did?

Considering that we are now seeing a generation, or two, which will
have worse living conditions and economic ability than the generation
that preceded it, a reversal of a long trend of progress, this
indicates failure.

Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote
> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>> >> end where one generation could be better off
>> >> than the one that preceded it.
>> >
>> >And an economy that is known to benefit for that constant influx of
>> >migrants regardless of your (or my) personal opinion about that
>> constant
>> >flow.
>> >
>> >> If immigration drove our economy to where it is today,
>> >> one must be incredibly self-unaware to crow about these
>> >> results.
>> >
>> >
>> >It's not about 'one' doing any crowing. It's about governments and
>> >institutions being able to prove that economically, migrants provide an
>> >economic benefit to the country.
>>
>> Yet at what rate? The disastrous European and English experience
>> raises a question...what if the immigration occurred at half the rate
>> it did?

> Considering that we are now seeing a generation, or two, which will
> have worse living conditions and economic ability than the generation
> that preceded it,

That remains to be seen. Three mates of mine have
just built fucking great 4 bedroom houses on a bare
block of land with substantially better detail, particularly
with full aircon, than my mates did in the very early 70s
when I triggered a rash of house building by my mates in
the very early 70s, I just don't buy that. And this time
NONE of the wives work and the males all do casual
work whereas my mates in the 70s were all
professionals mostly with working wives.

> a reversal of a long trend of progress, this indicates failure.

Nope, just changed circumstances and nothing to do
with negative gearing. In fact the only landlords that need
to use negative gearing currently are a few who are renting
out their holiday house when they aren't using it.

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 03:20:09 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>>> >> end where one generation could be better off
>>> >> than the one that preceded it.
>>> >
>>> >And an economy that is known to benefit for that constant influx of
>>> >migrants regardless of your (or my) personal opinion about that
>>> constant
>>> >flow.
>>> >
>>> >> If immigration drove our economy to where it is today,
>>> >> one must be incredibly self-unaware to crow about these
>>> >> results.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >It's not about 'one' doing any crowing. It's about governments and
>>> >institutions being able to prove that economically, migrants provide an
>>> >economic benefit to the country.
>>>
>>> Yet at what rate? The disastrous European and English experience
>>> raises a question...what if the immigration occurred at half the rate
>>> it did?
>
>> Considering that we are now seeing a generation, or two, which will
>> have worse living conditions and economic ability than the generation
>> that preceded it,
>
>That remains to be seen. Three mates of mine have
>just built fucking great 4 bedroom houses on a bare
>block of land with substantially better detail, particularly
>with full aircon, than my mates did in the very early 70s
>when I triggered a rash of house building by my mates in
>the very early 70s, I just don't buy that. And this time
>NONE of the wives work and the males all do casual
>work whereas my mates in the 70s were all
>professionals mostly with working wives.
>
>> a reversal of a long trend of progress, this indicates failure.
>
>Nope, just changed circumstances and nothing to do
>with negative gearing. In fact the only landlords that need
>to use negative gearing currently are a few who are renting
>out their holiday house when they aren't using it.

We're doomed. The more rapid the change, the less chance of effective
"claw-back" possibility in politics and elsewhere. And overall in the
1970s there were bigger tariffs as a cushion for the economy. Listen
bourgeois-boy, things have changed.

On 12/02/2024 7:41 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 12/2/24 4:14 pm:
>> On 11/02/2024 8:05 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> Fran wrote on 11/2/24 12:45 pm:
>>>> On 11/02/2024 9:53 am, Ördög wrote:
>>>>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>>>>
>>>>> /snip bucket loads of crap/
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple
>>>>>> wives and CES gives them each a housing Commision house which
>>>>>> they in turn rent out, isn't that nice of him
>>>>>>
>>>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such
>>>>> scary-outrage visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat
>>>>> your daily alcohol intake. :-P    :-P    :-P
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what "CES" is?  I can't think of any organisation with
>>>> that acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>>>
>>> I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth
>>> *Employment* Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's .....
>>> but I don't recall them EVER offering me Housing!!
>>
>> Yep.  They never did do housing and, additionally, it was a Federal
>> organisation so would have nothing to do with allocating housing
>> anyway as that is a state responsibility.
>
> Stop it, Fran, stop using LOGIC in your discussions with Petzl!! ;-P

Sorry ;-).

On 12/02/2024 9:36 pm, Borax Man wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 08:25:34 +1100
> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>> end where one generation could be better off
>>>> than the one that preceded it.
>>>
>>> And an economy that is known to benefit for that constant influx of
>>> migrants regardless of your (or my) personal opinion about that constant
>>> flow.
>>>
>>>> If immigration drove our economy to where it is today,
>>>> one must be incredibly self-unaware to crow about these
>>>> results.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not about 'one' doing any crowing. It's about governments and
>>> institutions being able to prove that economically, migrants provide an
>>> economic benefit to the country.
>>
>> Yet at what rate? The disastrous European and English experience
>> raises a question...what if the immigration occurred at half the rate
>> it did?
>
> Considering that we are now seeing a generation, or two, which will
> have worse living conditions and economic ability than the generation
> that preceded it, a reversal of a long trend of progress, this
> indicates failure.

Oh FFS! Not only is that younger generation going to have worse living
conditions, be less economically well off but they are also dying
earlier and have poor health outcomes than my generation. NONE of that
is due to migration!

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:13:49 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 03:20:09 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> >> end where one generation could be better off
>>>> >> than the one that preceded it.
>>>> >
>>>> >And an economy that is known to benefit for that constant influx of
>>>> >migrants regardless of your (or my) personal opinion about that
>>>> constant flow.
>>>> >
>>>> >> If immigration drove our economy to where it is today,
>>>> >> one must be incredibly self-unaware to crow about these
>>>> >> results.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >It's not about 'one' doing any crowing. It's about governments and
>>>> >institutions being able to prove that economically, migrants provide
>>>> an
>>>> >economic benefit to the country.
>>>>
>>>> Yet at what rate? The disastrous European and English experience
>>>> raises a question...what if the immigration occurred at half the rate
>>>> it did?
>>
>>> Considering that we are now seeing a generation, or two, which will
>>> have worse living conditions and economic ability than the generation
>>> that preceded it,
>>
>> That remains to be seen. Three mates of mine have
>> just built fucking great 4 bedroom houses on a bare
>> block of land with substantially better detail, particularly
>> with full aircon, than my mates did in the very early 70s
>> when I triggered a rash of house building by my mates in
>> the very early 70s, I just don't buy that. And this time
>> NONE of the wives work and the males all do casual
>> work whereas my mates in the 70s were all
>> professionals mostly with working wives.
>>
>>> a reversal of a long trend of progress, this indicates failure.
>>
>> Nope, just changed circumstances and nothing to do
>> with negative gearing. In fact the only landlords that need
>> to use negative gearing currently are a few who are renting
>> out their holiday house when they aren't using it.

> We're doomed.

Nope.

> The more rapid the change, the less chance of effective
> "claw-back" possibility in politics and elsewhere.

No need for any claw back.

> And overall in the 1970s there were biggertariffs as a cushion for the
> economy.

Have fun explaining the recession we had to have.

> Listen bourgeois-boy, things have changed.

Things always change and we do fine regardless, wog boy.

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:48:13 +1100, Fran
<gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabefran.com> wrote:

> On 12/02/2024 9:36 pm, Borax Man wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 08:25:34 +1100
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> end where one generation could be better off
>>>>> than the one that preceded it.
>>>>
>>>> And an economy that is known to benefit for that constant influx of
>>>> migrants regardless of your (or my) personal opinion about that
>>>> constant
>>>> flow.
>>>>
>>>>> If immigration drove our economy to where it is today,
>>>>> one must be incredibly self-unaware to crow about these
>>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not about 'one' doing any crowing. It's about governments and
>>>> institutions being able to prove that economically, migrants provide
>>>> an
>>>> economic benefit to the country.
>>>
>>> Yet at what rate? The disastrous European and English experience
>>> raises a question...what if the immigration occurred at half the rate
>>> it did?
>> Considering that we are now seeing a generation, or two, which will
>> have worse living conditions and economic ability than the generation
>> that preceded it, a reversal of a long trend of progress, this
>> indicates failure.
>
> Oh FFS! Not only is that younger generation going to have worse living
> conditions, be less economically well off but they are also dying
> earlier and have poor health outcomes than my generation. NONE of that
> is due to migration!

Wrong with housing, fuckwit.

Fran
> Ördög
>> Daniel65
>>> Fran
>>>> Ördög
>>>>> Petz
>>>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple wives and
>>>>>> CES gives them each a housing Commision house which they in turn rent
>>>>>> out, isn't that nice of him
>>>>>>
>>>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such scary-outrage
>>>>> visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat your daily alcohol
>>>>> intake. :-P    :-P    :-P
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what "CES" is?  I can't think of any organisation with that
>>>> acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>>>
>>> I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth *Employment*
>>> Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's ..... but I don't
>>> recall them EVER offering me Housing!!
>>
>> But Daniel!
>> You and Fran both live on planet Earth in this reality, while things
>> work differently in the alternate Universe Petz inhabits after his
>> daily Goon Bags binge.
>> Apparently there, employment services mainly deal with housing issues,
>> while the department of housing manages all employment a dole related
>> matters ... makes sense, eh?  ... NOT!   ;-)
>> Anyhow, wasn't it lying rodent gnome Howard who has CES outsource the
>> bulk of the employment services to his business mates ... with the
>> wonderful effect that even fewer people found meaningful jobs, while
>> the taxpayers were made to ensure that these private agencies were
>> paid quite handsomely for their social disservice. ;-)
>
> I can't remeber which lyign roent of a Federal politician it was who did
> the outsorucing but Rudd's wife became a very rich woman as a result of
> that outsourcing and people who just wanted to get a job got right
> royally screwed.
>>
>
The outsourcing of this essential government service has clearly started
under lying rodent Howard. Just like the dismantling of many other
similar public services as well as massive scale privatisation of very
lucrative public assets under the control of the Federal Government.

Specially the outsourcing that very essential employment service
portfolio to the private sector was a huge blow back for the jobless.
(Similar to age and childcare).
I recall that when my contract with CSIRO concluded in year 2000 I
actually tried to seek job finding assistance from a private employment
agency for scientific professionals which has turned out to be a
complete waste of time and energy. These agencies work for government
subsidies and exclusively serve the interest of private employer groups
and not those who seek employment. That is what I would call a fully
legal government sanction scam.

:-(

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Trolling creep chop gets the well deserved chop.

> fuckwit.

Stop talking to your bathroom mirror nutjob.

:-P :-P :-P

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 19:41:10 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Fran wrote on 12/2/24 4:14 pm:
>> On 11/02/2024 8:05 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> Fran wrote on 11/2/24 12:45 pm:
>>>> On 11/02/2024 9:53 am, Ördög wrote:
>>>>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>>>>
>>>>> /snip bucket loads of crap/
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple
>>>>>> wives and CES gives them each a housing Commision house which
>>>>>> they in turn rent out, isn't that nice of him
>>>>>>
>>>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such
>>>>> scary-outrage visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat
>>>>> your daily alcohol intake. :-P :-P :-P
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what "CES" is? I can't think of any organisation with
>>>> that acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>>>
>>> I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth
>>> *Employment* Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's .....
>>> but I don't recall them EVER offering me Housing!!
>>
>> Yep. They never did do housing and, additionally, it was a Federal
>> organisation so would have nothing to do with allocating housing
>> anyway as that is a state responsibility.
>
>Stop it, Fran, stop using LOGIC in your discussions with Petzl!! ;-P
>
OK, just same building once run/owned by State Government.
Not now.
Still there economic refugees getting housing paid for them at tax
payers expense. The new suburbs are full of "I can't speak english"
sopposedly bought in under skills shortages!

The Government has designed the 2023–24 permanent Migration Program to
address persistent and emerging skills shortages and to attract people
with specialist skillsets that are difficult to find or develop in
Australia.

But you knew that "Daniel65"
--
Petzl
Stalin once ripped all the feathers off a live chicken
s a lesson to his followers.
He then set the chicken on the floor a short distance away.
The chicken was bloodied and suffering immensely, yet,
when Stalin began to toss some bits of wheat toward the
chicken it followed him around.
He said to his followers This is how easy it is to govern
stupid people, (like Ordog)

Ördög wrote on 13/2/24 9:14 am:
> Fran
>> Ördög
>>> Daniel65
>>>> Fran
>>>>> Ördög
>>>>>> Petz
>>>>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get
>>>>>>> multiple wives and CES gives them each a housing
>>>>>>> Commision house which they in turn rent out, isn't that
>>>>>>> nice of him
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such
>>>>>> scary-outrage visions and hallucinations by lowering
>>>>>> somewhat your daily alcohol intake. :-P :-P :-P
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what "CES" is? I can't think of any organisation
>>>>> with that acronym which is involved in allocating
>>>>> housing.....
>>>>
>>>> I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth
>>>> *Employment* Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's
>>>> ..... but I don't recall them EVER offering me Housing!!
>>>
>>> But Daniel! You and Fran both live on planet Earth in this
>>> reality, while things work differently in the alternate Universe
>>> Petz inhabits after his daily Goon Bags binge. Apparently there,
>>> employment services mainly deal with housing issues, while the
>>> department of housing manages all employment a dole related
>>> matters ... makes sense, eh? ... NOT! ;-) Anyhow, wasn't it
>>> lying rodent gnome Howard who has CES outsource the bulk of the
>>> employment services to his business mates ... with the wonderful
>>> effect that even fewer people found meaningful jobs, while the
>>> taxpayers were made to ensure that these private agencies were
>>> paid quite handsomely for their social disservice. ;-)
>>
>> I can't remeber which lyign roent of a Federal politician it was
>> who did the outsorucing but Rudd's wife became a very rich woman as
>> a result of that outsourcing and people who just wanted to get a
>> job got right royally screwed.
>>>
>>
> The outsourcing of this essential government service has clearly
> started under lying rodent Howard. Just like the dismantling of many
> other similar public services as well as massive scale privatisation
> of very lucrative public assets under the control of the Federal
> Government.
>
> Specially the outsourcing that very essential employment service
> portfolio to the private sector was a huge blow back for the
> jobless. (Similar to age and childcare). I recall that when my
> contract with CSIRO concluded in year 2000 I actually tried to seek
> job finding assistance from a private employment agency for
> scientific professionals which has turned out to be a complete waste
> of time and energy. These agencies work for government subsidies and
> exclusively serve the interest of private employer groups and not
> those who seek employment. That is what I would call a fully legal
> government sanction scam.
>
> :-(
>
And, Ordog, you forgot "and money" as in "a complete waste of time and
energy *and money* "!! ;-P
--
Daniel

Petzl wrote on 13/2/24 9:48 am:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 19:41:10 +1100, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Fran wrote on 12/2/24 4:14 pm:
>>> On 11/02/2024 8:05 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>>> Fran wrote on 11/2/24 12:45 pm:
>>>>> On 11/02/2024 9:53 am, Ördög wrote:
>>>>>> Petz is floating in on GoonCon3+ clouds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /snip bucket loads of crap/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thre have been hushed up reports where Moslems get multiple
>>>>>>> wives and CES gives them each a housing Commision house which
>>>>>>> they in turn rent out, isn't that nice of him
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do realise Petz dear, that you could prevent such
>>>>>> scary-outrage visions and hallucinations by lowering somewhat
>>>>>> your daily alcohol intake. :-P :-P :-P
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what "CES" is? I can't think of any organisation with
>>>>> that acronym which is involved in allocating housing.....
>>>>
>>>> I can remember having to report to the CES (Commonwealth
>>>> *Employment* Service) back in, was it, late 90's/early 00's .....
>>>> but I don't recall them EVER offering me Housing!!
>>>
>>> Yep. They never did do housing and, additionally, it was a Federal
>>> organisation so would have nothing to do with allocating housing
>>> anyway as that is a state responsibility.
>>
>> Stop it, Fran, stop using LOGIC in your discussions with Petzl!! ;-P
>>
> OK, just same building once run/owned by State Government.
> Not now.
> Still there economic refugees getting housing paid for them at tax
> payers expense. The new suburbs are full of "I can't speak english"
> sopposedly bought in under skills shortages!
>
> The Government has designed the 2023–24 permanent Migration Program to
> address persistent and emerging skills shortages and to attract people
> with specialist skillsets that are difficult to find or develop in
> Australia.
>
> But you knew that "Daniel65"
>
No, Petzl, I don't *KNOW* that!! I might SUSPECT it, even HYPOTHESIS it,
but I don't *KNOW* it, Petzl!!

And as for your "OK, just same building once run/owned by State
Government", I don't even think that is correct .... certainly not
Universally!!
--
Daniel

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:33:18 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>>>
>> OK, just same building once run/owned by State Government.
>> Not now.
>> Still there economic refugees getting housing paid for them at tax
>> payers expense. The new suburbs are full of "I can't speak english"
>> sopposedly bought in under skills shortages!
>>
>> The Government has designed the 2023–24 permanent Migration Program to
>> address persistent and emerging skills shortages and to attract people
>> with specialist skillsets that are difficult to find or develop in
>> Australia.
>>
>> But you knew that "Daniel65"
>>
>No, Petzl, I don't *KNOW* that!! I might SUSPECT it, even HYPOTHESIS it,
>but I don't *KNOW* it, Petzl!!
>
read it here
https://t.ly/_11Wk
2023­–24 permanent Migration Program
>
>And as for your "OK, just same building once run/owned by State
>Government", I don't even think that is correct .... certainly not
>Universally!!
>
I don't keep track of what government State or Federal runs what!
I were told by State NSW goveernment that Housing Commision (NSW),
gets it's mandates from Federal Government.
--
Petzl
What is the harm of for the Democrats validating the voting system.
Is it because the Democrats have something to hide?

Amazing to think that Lyndon Johnson perfected the
'sit-wait-see how many we need to win-then dump our
stuffed ballots at the last moment' electoral technique
in post-war Texas, and nothing has changed in US elections
in the 7 decades since.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas#Legal_battle>
The Left is fine with Vaccine Cards
but NOT voter IDs. Paying attention yet?

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:05:23 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:33:18 +1100, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> OK, just same building once run/owned by State Government.
>>> Not now.
>>> Still there economic refugees getting housing paid for them at tax
>>> payers expense. The new suburbs are full of "I can't speak english"
>>> sopposedly bought in under skills shortages!
>>>
>>> The Government has designed the 2023–24 permanent Migration Program to
>>> address persistent and emerging skills shortages and to attract people
>>> with specialist skillsets that are difficult to find or develop in
>>> Australia.
>>>
>>> But you knew that "Daniel65"
>>>
>> No, Petzl, I don't *KNOW* that!! I might SUSPECT it, even HYPOTHESIS it,
>> but I don't *KNOW* it, Petzl!!
>>
> read it here
> https://t.ly/_11Wk
> 2023–24 permanent Migration Program
>>
>> And as for your "OK, just same building once run/owned by State
>> Government", I don't even think that is correct .... certainly not
>> Universally!!
>>
> I don't keep track of what government State or Federal runs what!
> I were told by State NSW goveernment that Housing Commision (NSW),
> gets it's mandates from Federal Government.

Bullshit it does and the NSW state govt never ever said anything like that.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:47:21 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:05:23 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:33:18 +1100, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>> OK, just same building once run/owned by State Government.
>>>> Not now.
>>>> Still there economic refugees getting housing paid for them at tax
>>>> payers expense. The new suburbs are full of "I can't speak english"
>>>> sopposedly bought in under skills shortages!
>>>>
>>>> The Government has designed the 2023–24 permanent Migration Program to
>>>> address persistent and emerging skills shortages and to attract people
>>>> with specialist skillsets that are difficult to find or develop in
>>>> Australia.
>>>>
>>>> But you knew that "Daniel65"
>>>>
>>> No, Petzl, I don't *KNOW* that!! I might SUSPECT it, even HYPOTHESIS it,
>>> but I don't *KNOW* it, Petzl!!
>>>
>> read it here
>> https://t.ly/_11Wk
>> 2023–24 permanent Migration Program
>>>
>>> And as for your "OK, just same building once run/owned by State
>>> Government", I don't even think that is correct .... certainly not
>>> Universally!!
>>>
>> I don't keep track of what government State or Federal runs what!
>> I were told by State NSW goveernment that Housing Commision (NSW),
>> gets it's mandates from Federal Government.
>
>Bullshit it does and the NSW state govt never ever said anything like that.
>
The NSW housing wrote that fact back to me on a complaint about the
housing commission being selected and dedicated as a halfway house for
criminals out of prison on release
--
Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money.

On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
#Margaret Thatcher