The driver's view of the law.

Furious calls have been made to stop speeding (sic) cyclists through Richmond Park as only cars can be fined for speeding in the area.

The speed limit in the park is 20mph but whether or not the rules should apply to cyclists has been questioned, with one Conservative councillor calling on fines for speeding cyclists.

Cllr Pamela Fleming, Conservative councillor for South Richmond, said: "It's actually very dangerous because of the deer.

"I actually watch cyclists go past cars on occasions when the cars have been stopping waiting for deer to cross.

"Most cyclists are perfectly responsible so it's a few but I think that cyclists the same as motorists should be fined for being over the speed limit."

The Liberal Democrat councillor for the ward has also been contacted for comment. The Department of Parks and Recreation, a local campaign group, disagree with Cllr Fleming.

It told the Local Democracy Reporting Service: "A cyclist travelling at 25 mph has the same destructive force as an SUV moving at 4.3 mph.

"Charging a cyclist with speeding for such an offence would be absurd. Motorists present nearly all the road danger inside Richmond Park, and this is where the focus of enforcement should be."

A Royal Parks spokesperson said: “There is no speed limit for cycling on Britain’s roads as cyclists are not required to have a speedometer.

"It is the same in the Royal Parks, although we do ask that cyclists observe the motor vehicle speed limit for the park, the road or path in question. This varies from 5mph to 20mph."

They added: “It is, however, an offence under the Royal Parks Regulations to intentionally or recklessly interfere with the safety, comfort or convenience of other visitors. Enforcement of park regulations is a matter for the police."

In 2015, a cyclist was caught speeding in Richmond Park at 38mph and was ordered to pay more than £600 by magistrates as he was cycling without due care and attention - according to an Evening Standard report.

Royal Parks Police has been contacted for comment.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/fury-richmond-parks-20mph-limit-21738328

On 01/10/2021 08:03 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> The driver's view of the law.
>
>
> Furious calls have been made to stop speeding (sic) fairy-cyclists through Richmond Park as only cars can be fined for speeding in the area.
>
> The speed limit in the park is 20mph but whether or not the rules should apply to fairy-cyclists has been questioned, with one Conservative councillor calling on fines for speeding fairy-cyclists.
>
> Cllr Pamela Fleming, Conservative councillor for South Richmond, said: "It's actually very dangerous because of the deer.
>
> "I actually watch fairy-cyclists go past cars on occasions when the cars have been stopping waiting for deer to cross.
>
> "Most fairy-cyclists are perfectly responsible so it's a few but I think that fairy-cyclists the same as motorists should be fined for being over the speed limit."
>
> The Liberal Democrat councillor for the ward has also been contacted for comment. The Department of Parks and Recreation, a local campaign group, disagree with Cllr Fleming.
>
> It told the Local Democracy Reporting Service: "A fairy-cyclist travelling at 25 mph has the same destructive force as an SUV moving at 4.3 mph.
>
> "Charging a fairy-cyclist with speeding for such an offence would be absurd. Motorists present nearly all the road danger inside Richmond Park, and this is where the focus of enforcement should be."
>
> A Royal Parks spokesperson said: “There is no speed limit for fairy-cycling on Britain’s roads as fairy-cyclists are not required to have a speedometer.
>
> "It is the same in the Royal Parks, although we do ask that fairy-cyclists observe the motor vehicle speed limit for the park, the road or path in question. This varies from 5mph to 20mph."

What IS the point in "asking" fairy-cyclists to be reasonable or
considerate?

You might as well talk to a brick wall.

> They added: “It is, however, an offence under the Royal Parks Regulations to intentionally or recklessly interfere with the safety, comfort or convenience of other visitors. Enforcement of park regulations is a matter for the police."
>
> In 2015, a fairy-cyclist was caught speeding in Richmond Park at 38mph and was ordered to pay more than £600 by magistrates as he was cycling without due care and attention - according to an Evening Standard report.
>
> Royal Parks Police has been contacted for comment.
>
> https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/fury-richmond-parks-20mph-limit-21738328
>

On Friday, 1 October 2021 at 20:03:23 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> The driver's view of the law.
>
>
> Furious calls have been made to stop speeding (sic) cyclists through Richmond Park as only cars can be fined for speeding in the area.
>
> The speed limit in the park is 20mph but whether or not the rules should apply to cyclists has been questioned, with one Conservative councillor calling on fines for speeding cyclists.
>
> Cllr Pamela Fleming, Conservative councillor for South Richmond, said: "It's actually very dangerous because of the deer.
>
> "I actually watch cyclists go past cars on occasions when the cars have been stopping waiting for deer to cross.
>
> "Most cyclists are perfectly responsible so it's a few but I think that cyclists the same as motorists should be fined for being over the speed limit."
>
> The Liberal Democrat councillor for the ward has also been contacted for comment. The Department of Parks and Recreation, a local campaign group, disagree with Cllr Fleming.
>
> It told the Local Democracy Reporting Service: "A cyclist travelling at 25 mph has the same destructive force as an SUV moving at 4.3 mph.
>
> "Charging a cyclist with speeding for such an offence would be absurd. Motorists present nearly all the road danger inside Richmond Park, and this is where the focus of enforcement should be."
>
> A Royal Parks spokesperson said: “There is no speed limit for cycling on Britain’s roads as cyclists are not required to have a speedometer.
>
> "It is the same in the Royal Parks, although we do ask that cyclists observe the motor vehicle speed limit for the park, the road or path in question. This varies from 5mph to 20mph."
>
> They added: “It is, however, an offence under the Royal Parks Regulations to intentionally or recklessly interfere with the safety, comfort or convenience of other visitors. Enforcement of park regulations is a matter for the police."
>
> In 2015, a cyclist was caught speeding in Richmond Park at 38mph and was ordered to pay more than £600 by magistrates as he was cycling without due care and attention - according to an Evening Standard report.
>
> Royal Parks Police has been contacted for comment.
>
> https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/fury-richmond-parks-20mph-limit-21738328

I don't see the problem. Motorists never break the law.

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 8:46:22 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Friday, 1 October 2021 at 20:03:23 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> >
> > https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/fury-richmond-parks-20mph-limit-21738328
> I don't see the problem. Motorists never break the law.

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig zags, outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by inconsiderate parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no car tax, no licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking on double lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed monsters, no rear lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light abuse, faulty steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted windows, child seat abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way street abuse, amber/red light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane abuse, box junction abuse, death by dangerous driving, excess smoke and noise from exhaust, duff suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash fiddles, underage child in front, lights causing glare, over weight limit, ignoring no entry signs, parking without permit, not having control of your vehicle, improper use of horn, using horn at night, no in date photo licence, no licence application after long ban, without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop for police/lollipop/zebra etc - ran out of space