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* euthanasia lawsMax
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Re: euthanasia laws

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Decfucka the Anencephalic Shit

============================
>>>
> >>> ** The central Sydney area and Inner West is their stomping ground.
> >>
> >> I'll let you in on a secret these poofters are everywhere,
> >
> > ** Does not affect what I posted.
> >
> > The Mardi Gras is held near where the highest concentration live.
> >
> > By choice, not birth.
>
> if they choose to live there why not. What does someone's sexuality have
> to do with anybody else

** Another meaningless, IDIOT fake question.

The usual last resort of fuckwit trolls with no clue about any dam thing.

....... Phil

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 by: Dechucka - Sat, 18 Sep 2021 09:45 UTC

On 18/09/2021 7:43 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Decfucka the Anencephalic Shit
>
> ============================
>>>>
>>>>> ** The central Sydney area and Inner West is their stomping ground.
>>>>
>>>> I'll let you in on a secret these poofters are everywhere,
>>>
>>> ** Does not affect what I posted.
>>>
>>> The Mardi Gras is held near where the highest concentration live.
>>>
>>> By choice, not birth.
>>
>> if they choose to live there why not. What does someone's sexuality have
>> to do with anybody else
>
> ** Another meaningless, IDIOT fake question.

obviously one you can't address
>
> The usual last resort of fuckwit trolls with no clue about any dam thing.
>
>
>
> ...... Phil
>

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 by: Mountain Magpie - Sat, 18 Sep 2021 09:44 UTC

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 08:40:00 -0000 (UTC), nym shifting wog maggot Forest
Cassowary posted:-

>
> Red in the face with overwhelming rightard anger, are you troll?
> Feel free to drop any time soon due to that unavoidably looming
> stroke in your out of control self righteous Liberal Party warrior
> rage.
>

LOL, is that the best you can do, you nym shifting troll wog?

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Mountain Magpie -- Sat, 18 Sep 2021 09:44:00 +0000

> you nym shifting troll

LOL
Stop being so rude to yourself in this public forum!

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Decfucka the Anencephalic Shit
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>
> > ** Another meaningless, IDIOT fake question.
>>
> > The usual last resort of fuckwit trolls with no clue about any dam thing.
>
>
> obviously ......
>
>
** Don't ya just know it - whenever a post begins with that word, a total pile of bullshit is about to follow.
The thick, smelly kind as well.

All turd no brain, lots of flies about

....... Phil

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 by: Max - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 00:31 UTC

On 18/09/2021 5:26 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
> ==============
>>
>> Max the MORON puked:
>>
>>>
>>> NSW recorded the lowest 'Yes' vote and the highest 'No' vote in the
>>> same-sex marriage postal survey in 2017.
>>>
>>> Clearly NSW is the most socially conservative.
>>
>> Doesn’t explain the poofters mardi gras.
>>
>
> ** The central Sydney area and Inner West is their stomping ground.
>

Rubbish. More likely Darlinghurst and anywhere around the gay bars on
Oxford St.

>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.
>
> ** Might as well ask the cat ....
>
>> And the voters don’t get to vote on euthanasia anyway.
>
> ** Or abortion.
>
>> More likely NSW is last just because its got an LNP govt currently.
>
> ** Which equates to the Libs knowing it is a * hot potato* issue and will not benefit them at the pols.
>
> FYI to Max:
>
> Pollies are NOT driven by morality, concern for anyone's welfare, legality, being fair, just or any similar concern.
>
> They have but one rule: " At all costs, get re-elected ".
>

Exactly, and they will do what the constituents want, who being socially
conservative, don't want euthanasia.

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 by: Max - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 00:35 UTC

On 18/09/2021 6:16 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Decfucka the Anencephalic Shit
>
> =============================
>>>>
>>>> Doesn’t explain the poofters mardi gras.
>>>
>>> ** The central Sydney area and Inner West is their stomping ground.
>>
>> I'll let you in on a secret these poofters are everywhere,
>
> ** Does not affect what I posted.
>
> The Mardi Gras is held near where the highest concentration live.
>
> By choice, not birth.
>

Canberra has more same sex couples than Sydney:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-01/canberra-the-gay-and-lesbian-capital-of-australia/11650758

And there is no mardis gras in Canberra, so your argument is faulty.

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 by: Max - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 00:46 UTC

On 18/09/2021 4:06 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>>> Max wrote
>>> ==========================
>>>>
>>>> What is the reason for NSW being the last state to allow assisted
>>>> dying?
>>>
>>> ** What does it matter -  some state HAS to be last.
>>
>> Yeah, so why is it NSW ?
>>
>>>
>>>> Is it because NSW is the most socially conservative state or because
>>>> there is a large immigrant population who oppose it on religious
>>>> grounds?
>>>
>>> ** Neither -  you fucking dope.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Australia
>>>
>>
>> Hey dufus, that page says nothing apart from a bill that didn't make
>> it through the upper house. What a moron.
>>
>>
>>> Objections to changing the law have always be legal ones and very sound.
>>>
>>
>> Sound legal reasons that every other state has ignored?
>>
>> NSW recorded the lowest 'Yes' vote and the highest 'No' vote in the
>> same-sex marriage postal survey in 2017.
>>
>> Clearly NSW is the most socially conservative.
>
> Doesn’t explain the poofters mardi gras.
>
> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.
>

So what if it was voluntary. It was voluntary for the whole of Australia
so a direct comparison can be made across the states.

NSW came up a clear winner for being the biggest opponent to same sex
marriage.

The question is why? You said before on this newsgroup that in relation
to NSW:

"Much more likely to just be lots more recent immigrants
with more conservative values on stuff like that."

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.legal/c/kfBsTuOy6YQ/m/F7jbVd41CQAJ

> And the voters don’t get to vote on euthanasia anyway.
>
> More likely NSW is last just because its got an LNP govt currently.

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Max the MORON puked AGAIN :
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> >> Doesn’t explain the poofters mardi gras.
> >>
> >
> > ** The central Sydney area and Inner West is their stomping ground.
> >
> Rubbish. More likely Darlinghurst and anywhere around the gay bars on
> Oxford St.

** One and the same - you FUCKING MORON !!
It's where many of them chose to live, " birds of a feather" style.

> > FYI to Max:
> >
> > Pollies are NOT driven by morality, concern for anyone's welfare, legality, being fair, just or any similar concern.
> >
> > They have but one rule: " At all costs, get re-elected ".
> >
> Exactly, and they will do what the constituents want,

** Even when it is a REALLY bad idea.

> who being socially conservative, don't want euthanasia.

** Most have no fucking idea what it even is - like you.

...... Phil

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Max Needs to Go get Fucked wrote:

==============================
>
> > And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.
> >
> So what if it was voluntary. It was voluntary for the whole of Australia
> so a direct comparison can be made across the states.
>
> NSW came up a clear winner

** By a just couple of percent - you lying POS.

> for being the biggest opponent to same sex marriage.

** Wrong - any opposition was to mindlessly degrading one of the basic laws of society, with unforseen consequences.

IOW common sense - a foreign concept wog pigs like you.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 04:30 UTC

"Max" <max@val.morgan> wrote in message news:si618r$1jd1$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 18/09/2021 4:06 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>> Max wrote
>>>> ==========================
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the reason for NSW being the last state to allow assisted
>>>>> dying?
>>>>
>>>> ** What does it matter - some state HAS to be last.
>>>
>>> Yeah, so why is it NSW ?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is it because NSW is the most socially conservative state or because
>>>>> there is a large immigrant population who oppose it on religious
>>>>> grounds?
>>>>
>>>> ** Neither - you fucking dope.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Australia
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey dufus, that page says nothing apart from a bill that didn't make it
>>> through the upper house. What a moron.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Objections to changing the law have always be legal ones and very
>>>> sound.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sound legal reasons that every other state has ignored?
>>>
>>> NSW recorded the lowest 'Yes' vote and the highest 'No' vote in the
>>> same-sex marriage postal survey in 2017.
>>>
>>> Clearly NSW is the most socially conservative.
>>
>> Doesn’t explain the poofters mardi gras.
>>
>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.

> So what if it was voluntary.

That means only those who cared about the issue bothered to vote, stupid.

> It was voluntary for the whole of Australia so a direct comparison can be
> made across the states.

Nope, it is only a measure of who cared about the issue across the country
or were stupid enough to 'think' that their vote would make any difference.

> NSW came up a clear winner for being the biggest opponent to same sex
> marriage.

Of those who cared about the issue across the country
or were stupid enough to 'think' that their vote would
make any difference on that particular issue. It isn't a
measure of which state is the most conservative.

> The question is why?

It isn't at all clear that NSW is actually
more conservative than the other states.

> You said before on this newsgroup that in relation to NSW:

> "Much more likely to just be lots more recent immigrants
> with more conservative values on stuff like that."

> https://groups.google.com/g/aus.legal/c/kfBsTuOy6YQ/m/F7jbVd41CQAJ

That’s a different issue to euthanasia.

>> And the voters don’t get to vote on euthanasia anyway.

>> More likely NSW is last just because its got an LNP govt currently.

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 by: Max - Mon, 20 Sep 2021 09:31 UTC

On 19/09/2021 11:03 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Max Needs to Go get Fucked wrote:
>
> ==============================
>>
>>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.
>>>
>> So what if it was voluntary. It was voluntary for the whole of Australia
>> so a direct comparison can be made across the states.
>>
>> NSW came up a clear winner
>
> ** By a just couple of percent - you lying POS.
>
>> for being the biggest opponent to same sex marriage.
>
> ** Wrong - any opposition was to mindlessly degrading one of the basic laws of society, with unforseen consequences.
>
> IOW common sense - a foreign concept wog pigs like you.
>

I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage. But it surprises me that NSW
is the most socially conservative, which it is, as evidenced by both
euthanasia and same sex marriage attitudes.

This is due to the obsession that immigrants have with Sydney. They
look at the population figures and choose the most populated city to
emigrate to.

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 by: Max - Mon, 20 Sep 2021 09:36 UTC

On 19/09/2021 2:30 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Max" <max@val.morgan> wrote in message
> news:si618r$1jd1$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> On 18/09/2021 4:06 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>> Max wrote
>>>>> ==========================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the reason for NSW being the last state to allow assisted
>>>>>> dying?
>>>>>
>>>>> ** What does it matter -  some state HAS to be last.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, so why is it NSW ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it because NSW is the most socially conservative state or because
>>>>>> there is a large immigrant population who oppose it on religious
>>>>>> grounds?
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Neither -  you fucking dope.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Australia
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey dufus, that page says nothing apart from a bill that didn't make
>>>> it through the upper house. What a moron.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Objections to changing the law have always be legal ones and very
>>>>> sound.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sound legal reasons that every other state has ignored?
>>>>
>>>> NSW recorded the lowest 'Yes' vote and the highest 'No' vote in the
>>>> same-sex marriage postal survey in 2017.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly NSW is the most socially conservative.
>>>
>>> Doesn’t explain the poofters mardi gras.
>>>
>>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.
>
>> So what if it was voluntary.
>
> That means only those who cared about the issue bothered to vote, stupid.
>
>> It was voluntary for the whole of Australia so a direct comparison can
>> be made across the states.
>
> Nope, it is only a measure of who cared about the issue across the country
> or were stupid enough to 'think' that their vote would make any difference.
>
>> NSW came up a clear winner for being the biggest opponent to same sex
>> marriage.
>
> Of those who cared about the issue across the country
> or were stupid enough to 'think' that their vote would
> make any difference on that particular issue. It isn't a
> measure of which state is the most conservative.
>
>> The question is why?
>
> It isn't at all clear that NSW is actually
> more conservative than the other states.
>
>> You said before on this newsgroup that in relation to NSW:
>
>> "Much more likely to just be lots more recent immigrants
>> with more conservative values on stuff like that."
>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/aus.legal/c/kfBsTuOy6YQ/m/F7jbVd41CQAJ
>
> That’s a different issue to euthanasia.
>

Both euthanasia and same sex marriage are both measures that
conservatives oppose. NSW is the most anti on both those issues.
Therefore it is the most socially conservative state.

>>> And the voters don’t get to vote on euthanasia anyway.
>
>>> More likely NSW is last just because its got an LNP govt currently.
>
>

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> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage. But it surprises me that NSW
> is the most socially conservative,

** FFS - DEFINE " conservative " .

The word has about 50 meanings .

The BEST of which is " a wish keep proven good things alive "

What sort of fucking IDIOT is against that ?? ?

YOU ?

....... Phil

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Max the WoggMAGGOT puked: :
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> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage. But it surprises me that NSW
> is the most socially conservative, which it is, as evidenced by both
> euthanasia and same sex marriage attitudes.

** Or it means we have less fucking idiots VOTING here.

FYI: cunthead - most recent and many non recent ones

Do NOT VOTE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

....... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 20 Sep 2021 18:02 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Max wrote

>>>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.

>>> So what if it was voluntary. It was voluntary for the whole of Australia
>>> so a direct comparison can be made across the states.

>>> NSW came up a clear winner

>> By a just couple of percent - you lying POS.

>>> for being the biggest opponent to same sex marriage.

>> Wrong - any opposition was to mindlessly degrading one of the basic
>> laws of society, with unforseen consequences.

> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage.

More fool you. No reason why poofters cant have the
same legal rights in marriage as anyone else if they are
stupid enough to want to do something as stupid as that.

> But it surprises me that NSW is the most socially conservative, which it
> is,

Barely with the same sex marriage attitude.

> as evidenced by both euthanasia and same sex marriage attitudes.

You don’t know that they are with the euthanasia issue.

ALL you actually know is that the state is last to do anything in parliament
about it.

> This is due to the obsession that immigrants have with Sydney.

You don’t know that either. There are in fact even more of those in Melburg.

> They look at the population figures and choose the most populated city to
> emigrate to.

More mindless bullshit.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 20 Sep 2021 18:07 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>>> Max wrote

>>>>>>> What is the reason for NSW being the last state to allow assisted
>>>>>>> dying?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** What does it matter - some state HAS to be last.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, so why is it NSW ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it because NSW is the most socially conservative state or because
>>>>>>> there is a large immigrant population who oppose it on religious
>>>>>>> grounds?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** Neither - you fucking dope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Australia
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey dufus, that page says nothing apart from a bill that didn't make
>>>>> it through the upper house. What a moron.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Objections to changing the law have always be legal ones and very
>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sound legal reasons that every other state has ignored?
>>>>>
>>>>> NSW recorded the lowest 'Yes' vote and the highest 'No' vote in the
>>>>> same-sex marriage postal survey in 2017.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly NSW is the most socially conservative.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn’t explain the poofters mardi gras.
>>>>
>>>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.
>>
>>> So what if it was voluntary.
>>
>> That means only those who cared about the issue bothered to vote, stupid.
>>
>>> It was voluntary for the whole of Australia so a direct comparison can
>>> be made across the states.
>>
>> Nope, it is only a measure of who cared about the issue across the
>> country
>> or were stupid enough to 'think' that their vote would make any
>> difference.
>>
>>> NSW came up a clear winner for being the biggest opponent to same sex
>>> marriage.
>>
>> Of those who cared about the issue across the country
>> or were stupid enough to 'think' that their vote would
>> make any difference on that particular issue. It isn't a
>> measure of which state is the most conservative.
>>
>>> The question is why?
>>
>> It isn't at all clear that NSW is actually
>> more conservative than the other states.
>>
>>> You said before on this newsgroup that in relation to NSW:
>>
>>> "Much more likely to just be lots more recent immigrants
>>> with more conservative values on stuff like that."
>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/aus.legal/c/kfBsTuOy6YQ/m/F7jbVd41CQAJ
>>
>> That’s a different issue to euthanasia.

> Both euthanasia and same sex marriage are both measures that conservatives
> oppose.

Its nothing like that black and white.

> NSW is the most anti on both those issues.

Only very marginally with same sex marriage and you have
no idea what the story is with euthanasia. ALL you know is
that the state is last to do anything about it in parliament.

> Therefore it is the most socially conservative state.

You have no basis for that claim.

>>>> And the voters don’t get to vote on euthanasia anyway.

>>>> More likely NSW is last just because its got an LNP govt currently.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 20 Sep 2021 18:09 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Max wrote

>> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage. But it surprises
>> me that NSW is the most socially conservative,

> FFS - DEFINE " conservative " .

Opposing change in this context.

> The word has about 50 meanings .

Not in this context it doesn’t.

> The BEST of which is " a wish keep proven good things alive "

There is nothing "proven good things" about either issue.

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Rodbot Know Nothing IDIOT Speed wrote:

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> >> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage. But it surprises
> >> me that NSW is the most socially conservative,
>
> > FFS - DEFINE " conservative " .
>
> Opposing change in this context.

** Opposing bad changes and half baked ideas is a better one.

> > The BEST of which is " a wish keep proven good things alive "

> There is nothing "proven good things" about either issue.

** Like hell there ain't.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 20 Sep 2021 23:58 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage. But it surprises
>>>> me that NSW is the most socially conservative,

>>> FFS - DEFINE " conservative " .

>> Opposing change in this context.

> Opposing bad changes and half baked ideas is a better one.

That’s not conservatism that’s just common sense.

>>> The BEST of which is " a wish keep proven good things alive "

>> There is nothing "proven good things" about either issue.

> Like hell there ain't.

Fraid so with both. Nothing proven about either of them.

In spades with marriage with so many not lasting very long at all.

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Rodbot Ex -Speed Cop IDIOT wrote:
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> >>> FFS - DEFINE " conservative " .
>
> >> Opposing change in this context.
>>
> > Opposing bad changes and half baked ideas is a better one.
>
> That’s not conservatism that’s just common sense.

** Exactly what most political conservatives do.

> >>> The BEST of which is " a wish keep proven good things alive "
>
> >> There is nothing "proven good things" about either issue.
>
> > Like hell there ain't.

> Fraid so with both. Nothing proven about either of them.

** Beyond total idiocy.

Pure, anencephalic Rodbot think.

...... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 21 Sep 2021 04:49 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> >>> FFS - DEFINE " conservative " .
>>
>> >> Opposing change in this context.
>>>
>> > Opposing bad changes and half baked ideas is a better one.
>>
>> That’s not conservatism that’s just common sense.
>
> Exactly what most political conservatives do.

But that isn't what makes them conservatives.

>> >>> The BEST of which is " a wish keep proven good things alive "
>>
>> >> There is nothing "proven good things" about either issue.
>>
>> > Like hell there ain't.
>
>> Fraid so with both. Nothing proven about either of them.

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 by: Toby - Wed, 22 Sep 2021 03:00 UTC

On 21/09/2021 4:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>>> Max wrote
>
>>>>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.
>
>>>> So what if it was voluntary. It was voluntary for the whole of
>>>> Australia
>>>> so a direct comparison can be made across the states.
>
>>>> NSW came up a clear winner
>
>>> By a just couple of percent - you lying POS.
>
>>>> for being the biggest opponent to same sex marriage.
>
>>> Wrong - any opposition was to mindlessly degrading one of the basic
>>> laws of society, with unforseen consequences.
>
>> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage.
>
> More fool you. No reason why poofters cant have the
> same legal rights in marriage as anyone else if they are
> stupid enough to want to do something as stupid as that.
>

In my view, same sex relationships shouldn't be promoted because they
are against the biological order.

If animals behave homosexually they are regarded as sexually deviant,
and up until the 1970s homosexuality in humans was regarded as a
psychiatric disorder, which I believe it is.

>> But it surprises me that NSW is the most socially conservative, which
>> it is,
>
> Barely with the same sex marriage attitude.
>
>> as evidenced by both euthanasia and same sex marriage attitudes.
>
> You don’t know that they are with the euthanasia issue.
>
> ALL you actually know is that the state is last to do anything in
> parliament about it.
>
>> This is due to the obsession that immigrants have with Sydney.
>
> You don’t know that either. There are in fact even more of those in
> Melburg.
>

There are a shitload more immigrants coming to Sydney than say Perth or
Brisbane. The reason for that is they look to see what the most
populated cities are.

If you were emigrating to Russia, would you emigrate to Moscow or some
smaller town that you've never heard of?

>> They look at the population figures and choose the most populated city
>> to emigrate to.
>
> More mindless bullshit.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 22 Sep 2021 03:32 UTC

Toby <toby@nowhere.net.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>> Max wrote

>>>>>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.

>>>>> So what if it was voluntary. It was voluntary for the whole of
>>>>> Australia so a direct comparison can be made across the states.

>>>>> NSW came up a clear winner
>
> >>> By a just couple of percent - you lying POS.
> >
> >>>> for being the biggest opponent to same sex marriage.
> >
> >>> Wrong - any opposition was to mindlessly degrading one of the basic
> >>> laws of society, with unforseen consequences.
> >
> >> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage.
> >
> > More fool you. No reason why poofters cant have the
> > same legal rights in marriage as anyone else if they are
> > stupid enough to want to do something as stupid as that.

> In my view, same sex relationships shouldn't be promoted

Allowing same sex marriage isn't promoting same sex relationships.

> because they are against the biological order.

So is suicide. So what ?

> If animals behave homosexually they are regarded as sexually deviant,

So are nymphomaniacs.

> and up until the 1970s homosexuality in humans was regarded as a
> psychiatric disorder,

That’s mindless pig ignorant bullshit with the ancient greeks etc.

> which I believe it is.

More fool you. Hard to claim that all those ancient greeks were barking mad.

> >> But it surprises me that NSW is the most socially conservative, which
> >> it is,
> >
> > Barely with the same sex marriage attitude.
> >
> >> as evidenced by both euthanasia and same sex marriage attitudes.
> >
> > You don’t know that they are with the euthanasia issue.
> >
> > ALL you actually know is that the state is last to do anything in
> > parliament about it.
> >
> >> This is due to the obsession that immigrants have with Sydney.
> >
> > You don’t know that either. There are in fact even more of those in
> > Melburg.
> >
>
> There are a shitload more immigrants coming to Sydney than say Perth or
> Brisbane.

Yes, but that isn't true of Melbourne.

> The reason for that is they look to see what the most populated cities
> are.

Its far from clear that that is the reason.

> If you were emigrating to Russia, would you emigrate to Moscow or some
> smaller town that you've never heard of?

I would inform myself of the various alternatives and choose
the one that looked most likely to appeal to me the most.

Not just with russia either, I'd do the same thing
with the USA, China, Japan, Canada etc etc etc.

> >> They look at the population figures and choose the most populated city
> >> to emigrate to.
> >
> > More mindless bullshit.

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 by: Max - Wed, 22 Sep 2021 04:30 UTC

On 22/09/2021 1:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Toby <toby@nowhere.net.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>>   Max wrote
>
>>>>>>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very biased.
>
>>>>>> So what if it was voluntary. It was voluntary for the whole of
>>>>>> Australia so a direct comparison can be made across the states.
>
>>>>>> NSW came up a clear winner
>>
>> >>> By a just couple of percent - you lying POS.
>> >
>> >>>>   for being the biggest opponent to same sex marriage.
>> >
>> >>> Wrong -   any opposition was to mindlessly degrading one of the basic
>> >>> laws of society, with unforseen consequences.
>> >
>> >> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage.
>> >
>> > More fool you. No reason why poofters cant have the
>> > same legal rights in marriage as anyone else if they are
>> > stupid enough to want to do something as stupid as that.
>
>> In my view, same sex relationships shouldn't be promoted
>
> Allowing same sex marriage isn't promoting same sex relationships.
>
>> because they are against the biological order.
>
> So is suicide. So what ?
>
>> If animals behave homosexually they are regarded as sexually deviant,
>
> So are nymphomaniacs.
>
>> and up until the 1970s homosexuality in humans was regarded as a
>> psychiatric disorder,
>
> That’s mindless pig ignorant bullshit with the ancient greeks etc.
>
>> which I believe it is.
>
> More fool you. Hard to claim that all those ancient greeks were barking
> mad.
>
>> >> But it surprises me that NSW is the most socially conservative, which
>> >> it is,
>> >
>> > Barely with the same sex marriage attitude.
>> >
>> >> as evidenced by both euthanasia and same sex marriage attitudes.
>> >
>> > You don’t know that they are with the euthanasia issue.
>> >
>> > ALL you actually know is that the state is last to do anything in
>> > parliament about it.
>> >
>> >> This is due to the obsession that immigrants have with Sydney.
>> >
>> > You don’t know that either. There are in fact even more of those in
>> > Melburg.
>> >
>>
>> There are a shitload more immigrants coming to Sydney than say Perth
>> or Brisbane.
>
> Yes, but that isn't true of Melbourne.
>
>> The reason for that is they look to see what the most populated cities
>> are.
>
> Its far from clear that that is the reason.
>

Why else would they pick Sydney and Melbourne to emigrate to?

Why else would people emigrate to more expensive, polluted, crime-ridden
cities with worse weather such as Sydney and Melbourne, instead of
Perth, Adelaide or Brisbane?

>> If you were emigrating to Russia, would you emigrate to Moscow or some
>> smaller town that you've never heard of?
>
> I would inform myself of the various alternatives and choose
> the one that looked most likely to appeal to me the most.
>
> Not just with russia either, I'd do the same thing
> with the USA, China, Japan, Canada etc etc etc.
>
>> >> They look at the population figures and choose the most populated city
>> >> to emigrate to.
>> >
>> > More mindless bullshit.
>

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