There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
a 13% pay rise.

Look out for bumper fare rises next year!

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:32:48 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
>a 13% pay rise.
>
>Look out for bumper fare rises next year!

I've not seen such a offer reported. What I've seen is that NR has offered a two-year deal worth over 5% for all RMT
members and more for those paid under £30,000.

A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to January, with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if
modernisation reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75% discounted travel for employees and family from
January 2023, and around a £650 cash “bonus” for all. There would be a further £250 lump sum for those paid under
£24,000.

On 13/07/2022 14:58, Recliner wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:32:48 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
>> a 13% pay rise.
>>
>> Look out for bumper fare rises next year!
>
> I've not seen such a offer reported. What I've seen is that NR has offered a two-year deal worth over 5% for all RMT
> members and more for those paid under £30,000.
>
> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to January, with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if
> modernisation reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75% discounted travel for employees and family from
> January 2023, and around a £650 cash “bonus” for all. There would be a further £250 lump sum for those paid under
> £24,000.

From today's Daily Mail

Network Rail offered members of the militant RMT union with a salary
below £24,000 the equivalent of a 13 per cent pay rise this year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11010095/ANOTHER-huge-train-strike-bring-Britain-halt-summer.html

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:32:48 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
> <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
>> a 13% pay rise.
>>
>> Look out for bumper fare rises next year!
>
> I've not seen such a offer reported. What I've seen is that NR has
> offered a two-year deal worth over 5% for all RMT
> members and more for those paid under £30,000.
>
> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to January,
> with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if
> modernisation reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75%
> discounted travel for employees and family from
> January 2023, and around a £650 cash “bonus” for all. There would be a
> further £250 lump sum for those paid under
> £24,000.
>

The introduction of Priv travel for NR might swing a lot of votes!

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
> a 13% pay rise.
>
> Look out for bumper fare rises next year!
>

There will be anyway as fares are inflation+. Inflation is running at >10%
in the UK, and I’ll bet this offer involves no further rise for more than a
year, so is basically only just matching inflation.

Robin

On 13/07/2022 15:17, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:32:48 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
>> <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
>>> a 13% pay rise.
>>>
>>> Look out for bumper fare rises next year!
>>
>> I've not seen such a offer reported. What I've seen is that NR has
>> offered a two-year deal worth over 5% for all RMT
>> members and more for those paid under £30,000.
>>
>> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to January,
>> with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if
>> modernisation reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75%
>> discounted travel for employees and family from
>> January 2023, and around a £650 cash “bonus” for all. There would be a
>> further £250 lump sum for those paid under
>> £24,000.
>>
>
> The introduction of Priv travel for NR might swing a lot of votes!
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
It is rumoured that the offer has been rejected by the RMT?

Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/07/2022 14:58, Recliner wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:32:48 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
>> <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
>>> a 13% pay rise.
>>>
>>> Look out for bumper fare rises next year!
>>
>> I've not seen such a offer reported. What I've seen is that NR has
>> offered a two-year deal worth over 5% for all RMT
>> members and more for those paid under £30,000.
>>
>> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to January,
>> with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if
>> modernisation reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75%
>> discounted travel for employees and family from
>> January 2023, and around a £650 cash “bonus” for all. There would be a
>> further £250 lump sum for those paid under
>> £24,000.
>
> From today's Daily Mail
>
> Network Rail offered members of the militant RMT union with a salary
> below £24,000 the equivalent of a 13 per cent pay rise this year.
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11010095/ANOTHER-huge-train-strike-bring-Britain-halt-summer.html
>

That's based on the lump sum element, which is worth proportionally more
for a low-paid employee, l but I suspect that very few NR employees are
actually on <£24k FTE. So the headline is highly misleading.

Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/07/2022 15:17, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:32:48 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
>>> <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
>>>> a 13% pay rise.
>>>>
>>>> Look out for bumper fare rises next year!
>>>
>>> I've not seen such a offer reported. What I've seen is that NR has
>>> offered a two-year deal worth over 5% for all RMT
>>> members and more for those paid under £30,000.
>>>
>>> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to January,
>>> with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if
>>> modernisation reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75%
>>> discounted travel for employees and family from
>>> January 2023, and around a £650 cash “bonus” for all. There would be a
>>> further £250 lump sum for those paid under
>>> £24,000.
>>>
>>
>> The introduction of Priv travel for NR might swing a lot of votes!
>>
>>
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>
> It is rumoured that the offer has been rejected by the RMT?
>

That's what's been reported. They'd almost certainly want more for the
majority of their members.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:32:48 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
> <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
>> a 13% pay rise.
>>
>> Look out for bumper fare rises next year!
>
> I've not seen such a offer reported. What I've seen is that NR has
> offered a two-year deal worth over 5% for all RMT
> members and more for those paid under £30,000.
>
> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to January,
> with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if
> modernisation reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75%
> discounted travel for employees and family from
> January 2023, and around a £650 cash “bonus” for all. There would be a
> further £250 lump sum for those paid under
> £24,000.
>

I'm told that offer has been declined.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message <tamtgk$2drjj$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:56:52 on Wed, 13 Jul
2022, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:32:48 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
>> <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
>>> a 13% pay rise.
>>>
>>> Look out for bumper fare rises next year!
>>
>> I've not seen such a offer reported. What I've seen is that NR has
>> offered a two-year deal worth over 5% for all RMT
>> members and more for those paid under £30,000.
>>
>> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to January,
>> with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if
>> modernisation reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75%
>> discounted travel for employees and family from
>> January 2023, and around a £650 cash “bonus” for all. There would be a
>> further £250 lump sum for those paid under
>> £24,000.
>
>I'm told that offer has been declined.

Rail strikes reported to be "on" for 27th. Could be both RMT and Aslef.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tamk3m$2cs8f$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:16:19 on Wed, 13 Jul
2022, Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> remarked:

>>What I've seen is that NR has offered a two-year deal worth over 5%
>>for all RMT members and more for those paid under £30,000.

>> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to
>>January, with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if modernisation
>>reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75% discounted travel
>>for employees and family from January 2023, and around a £650 cash
>>“bonus” for all. There would be a further £250 lump sum for those
>>paid under £24,000.
>
>From today's Daily Mail
>
>Network Rail offered members of the militant RMT union with a salary
>below £24,000 the equivalent of a 13 per cent pay rise this year.

Unless they pay the £650/£250 every year, the 11% would only be
temporary.

And presumably the £24k threshold will be tapered in some way,
otherwise someone on £23,999 would leapfrog those on £24,001
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <tamk3m$2cs8f$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:16:19 on Wed, 13 Jul
> 2022, Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>> What I've seen is that NR has offered a two-year deal worth over 5%
>>> for all RMT members and more for those paid under £30,000.
>
>>> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to
>>> January, with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if modernisation
>>> reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75% discounted travel
>>> for employees and family from January 2023, and around a £650 cash
>>> “bonus” for all. There would be a further £250 lump sum for those
>>> paid under £24,000.
>>
>> From today's Daily Mail
>>
>> Network Rail offered members of the militant RMT union with a salary
>> below £24,000 the equivalent of a 13 per cent pay rise this year.
>
> Unless they pay the £650/£250 every year, the 11% would only be
> temporary.
>
> And presumably the £24k threshold will be tapered in some way,
> otherwise someone on £23,999 would leapfrog those on £24,001

Yes, good point.

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:32:48 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
>> <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> There are reports in the press today that Rail workers are to be offered
>>> a 13% pay rise.
>>>
>>> Look out for bumper fare rises next year!
>>
>> I've not seen such a offer reported. What I've seen is that NR has
>> offered a two-year deal worth over 5% for all RMT
>> members and more for those paid under £30,000.
>>
>> A 4% rise on basic pay would be paid in year one, backdated to January,
>> with 2.2% in year two and a further 2% if
>> modernisation reforms milestones are met. There would also be 75%
>> discounted travel for employees and family from
>> January 2023, and around a £650 cash “bonus” for all. There would be a
>> further £250 lump sum for those paid under
>> £24,000.
>>
>
> The introduction of Priv travel for NR might swing a lot of votes!

I suppose that's much easier to implement with the new GBR. NR and the TOCs
are now all part of the same nationalised business, plus with the fall in
passenger numbers, there's more spare capacity to make available at
discounted prices.

On 13/07/2022 18:28, Roland Perry wrote:
> Rail strikes reported to be "on" for 27th. Could be both RMT and Aslef.

And this time said to include Govia Thameslink services as well (which were not much affected during the daytime in the previous round).

--
Clive Page

In message <jj8vl5F4tn8U1@mid.individual.net>, at 23:35:17 on Wed, 13
Jul 2022, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> remarked:

>On 13/07/2022 18:28, Roland Perry wrote:
>> Rail strikes reported to be "on" for 27th. Could be both RMT and Aslef.
>
>And this time said to include Govia Thameslink services as well (which
>were not much affected during the daytime in the previous round).

Looks like the early headlines I saw were a bit hasty, and should have
said "Rail strikes by a small number of RMT drivers, and the rather
larger number of RMT staff working for Network Rail".

Goes GTR have very many RMT drivers?
--
Roland Perry