I still get the "BBC Four HD will be back soon" message on our DVT-T2
transmissions. Only currently available as SD on channel 231. Anyone know
when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'? Annoying that it seems to be
extending into the Proms.

Jim

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Jim Lesurf wrote:

> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?

I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?

I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
regions, if so it could be next year ...

<https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-delay>

"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Jim Lesurf wrote:
>
>> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
>
> I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?
>
> I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
> regions, if so it could be next year ...
>
> <https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-delay>

Shame COM7 didn't last longer to provide BBC Four HD until PSB3 was ready -
or that PSB3 wasn't ready in time for the withdrawal of COM7 (two ways of
looking at the same problem).

A masterpiece of project planning - not!

Since it's not happened, the least they could do is manage people's
expectations and tell them "this is what we plan to do; this is roughly when
it will be ready". "Soon" is utterly meaningless and insulting in its
blandness. This week? This month? This year? Next year? The day after BBC
Four closes down as a broadcast channel?

I wonder what the original plans were - whether the gap was intended all
along (but kept secret), or whether it was supposed to be a seamless
transfer (like all other mux moves) but there is an unforeseen delay in
procuring equipment and/or configuring it.

Who knows, I guess they will be hopingthat when it gets axed they did not
actually have it working.
Brian

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"Jim Lesurf" <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I still get the "BBC Four HD will be back soon" message on our DVT-T2
> transmissions. Only currently available as SD on channel 231. Anyone know
> when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'? Annoying that it seems to be
> extending into the Proms.
>
> Jim
>
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Well whichever way you perceive it its general incompetence.

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> "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
>>
>> I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?
>>
>> I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
>> regions, if so it could be next year ...
>>
>> <https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-delay>
>
> Shame COM7 didn't last longer to provide BBC Four HD until PSB3 was
> ready - or that PSB3 wasn't ready in time for the withdrawal of COM7 (two
> ways of looking at the same problem).
>
> A masterpiece of project planning - not!
>
> Since it's not happened, the least they could do is manage people's
> expectations and tell them "this is what we plan to do; this is roughly
> when it will be ready". "Soon" is utterly meaningless and insulting in its
> blandness. This week? This month? This year? Next year? The day after BBC
> Four closes down as a broadcast channel?
>
> I wonder what the original plans were - whether the gap was intended all
> along (but kept secret), or whether it was supposed to be a seamless
> transfer (like all other mux moves) but there is an unforeseen delay in
> procuring equipment and/or configuring it.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 09:47:41 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>
>Jim Lesurf wrote:
>
>> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
>
>I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?
>
>I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
>regions, if so it could be next year ...
>
><https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-delay>

Does this affect Scotland, where BBC One Scotland already appears on
HD? If not, why can't BBC Four HD be added to the tartan MUX now.

Scott wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
>>
>> I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
>> regions, if so it could be next year ...
>
> Does this affect Scotland

Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.

On 18/07/2022 11:05, Scott wrote:
> Does this affect Scotland, where BBC One Scotland already appears on
> HD? If not, why can't BBC Four HD be added to the tartan MUX now.

What would you remove to make room for it?

BBC Alba occasionally has some interesting programmes for non-Gaelic
speakers. Never watched BBC Scotland but I presume someone does.

On 18/07/2022 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> Jim Lesurf wrote:
>
>> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
>
> I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?
>
Hello. I don't know what the latest is, what I do gather is it's a bolt
on to the project to expand all the BBC 1 and ITV English (and STV sub)
regions to the PSB 3 mux, and that was announced to be running late some
time ago. Original target was this autumn, but I think the Beeb said
that had slipped. By the way I don't think ITV or STV have ever made an
announcement about expanding their HD regions on PSB 3, so that's
another way to manage expectations :-) ?!

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:35:05 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 18/07/2022 11:05, Scott wrote:
>> Does this affect Scotland, where BBC One Scotland already appears on
>> HD? If not, why can't BBC Four HD be added to the tartan MUX now.
>
>What would you remove to make room for it?
>
>BBC Alba occasionally has some interesting programmes for non-Gaelic
>speakers. Never watched BBC Scotland but I presume someone does.
>
BBC News to go. BBC Four to be squeezed into the main HD multiplex
AIUI for whole UK. Can anyone clarify.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:17:09 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
>>>
>>> I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
>>> regions, if so it could be next year ...
>>
>> Does this affect Scotland
>
>Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.
I didn't mean the absence of BBC Four HD (which certainly does affect
Scotland). I meant having to wait for the upgrade that will allow BBC
regions to be shown in HD (BBC One Scotland already is, so what are we
waiting for?).

On 18/07/2022 12:34, Scott wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:35:05 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> On 18/07/2022 11:05, Scott wrote:
>>> Does this affect Scotland, where BBC One Scotland already appears on
>>> HD? If not, why can't BBC Four HD be added to the tartan MUX now.
>> What would you remove to make room for it?
>>
>> BBC Alba occasionally has some interesting programmes for non-Gaelic
>> speakers. Never watched BBC Scotland but I presume someone does.
>>
> BBC News to go. BBC Four to be squeezed into the main HD multiplex
> AIUI for whole UK. Can anyone clarify.
Yes, this is old news. The BBC News Channel since COM 7 died on June
30th has no HD outlet on Freeview. There are no plans at present to
provide any for it.

The BBC decided, given all the new modern super efficient codecs they
are buying to allow the expansion of all BBC 1, ITV, and STV regions to
be available in HD on PSB 3, that (because of those codecs) they could
also shoehorn BBC 4 HD onto there too. For reasons not publicly known,
they were unable to do that before the demise of COM 7, and we are still
waiting for it to happen.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:17:09 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
>>>>
>>>> I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
>>>> regions, if so it could be next year ...
>>>
>>> Does this affect Scotland
>>
>> Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.
>
> I didn't mean the absence of BBC Four HD (which certainly does affect
> Scotland). I meant having to wait for the upgrade that will allow BBC
> regions to be shown in HD (BBC One Scotland already is, so what are we
> waiting for?).
>

Probably waiting for the kit to turn up. Electronic equipment of any sort,
and especially the more sophisticated variety, is very hard to come by at
the moment. Even high grade pcb material is in sort supply.

On 18/07/2022 12:36, Scott wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:17:09 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
>>>> I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
>>>> regions, if so it could be next year ...
>>> Does this affect Scotland
>> Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.
>
> I didn't mean the absence of BBC Four HD (which certainly does affect
> Scotland). I meant having to wait for the upgrade that will allow BBC
> regions to be shown in HD (BBC One Scotland already is, so what are we
> waiting for?).
Because the existing equipment that runs PSB 3 is 12 years old, and is
not modern enough to cope with the extra demands of adding BBC 4 (or any
other HD channel) into the mux ?

On 18/07/2022 12:43, Tweed wrote:
>
> Probably waiting for the kit to turn up. Electronic equipment of any sort,
> and especially the more sophisticated variety, is very hard to come by at
> the moment. Even high grade pcb material is in sort supply.
>
Yep, some of the lead times are over 12 months at present for kit. Some
manufacturers are simply not taking new orders at present

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 12:43:36 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 18/07/2022 12:36, Scott wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:17:09 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
>>>>> I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
>>>>> regions, if so it could be next year ...
>>>> Does this affect Scotland
>>> Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.
>>
>> I didn't mean the absence of BBC Four HD (which certainly does affect
>> Scotland). I meant having to wait for the upgrade that will allow BBC
>> regions to be shown in HD (BBC One Scotland already is, so what are we
>> waiting for?).
>Because the existing equipment that runs PSB 3 is 12 years old, and is
>not modern enough to cope with the extra demands of adding BBC 4 (or any
>other HD channel) into the mux ?

Thanks for the clarification. This explains it.

On 17/07/2022 11:12, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> I still get the "BBC Four HD will be back soon" message on our DVT-T2
> transmissions. Only currently available as SD on channel 231. Anyone know
> when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'? Annoying that it seems to be
> extending into the Proms.
>
> Jim
>
Because of that and the same issue with Quest I find I'm using Freesat a
lot more.

Bill

In article <jjmjcpFa3r0U1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
> On 17/07/2022 11:12, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > I still get the "BBC Four HD will be back soon" message on our DVT-T2
> > transmissions. Only currently available as SD on channel 231. Anyone
> > know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'? Annoying that it seems to
> > be extending into the Proms.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> Because of that and the same issue with Quest I find I'm using Freesat a
> lot more.

In general I just gip items from iPlayer. But in some cases prefer the TX,
and useful for 'live'. However in the main I guess BBC4 doesn't 'do
live'... except for a few Proms... which also more often are recorded and
then broadcast later.

Jim

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