All television is digital. The group name is tautological.

Bill

On 26/09/2022 in message
<1ce43d00-75ce-4410-85ee-6d2e08c332f1n@googlegroups.com>
wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:

>All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
>
>Bill

But was it when you were a lad and the group was set up?

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On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:36:26 -0700 (PDT), "wrightsaerials@aol.com"
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

>All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
>
>Bill

But doesn't tautology mean repetition? To call something both
'digital' and 'television' gives two pieces of information, which
might be more than necessary because it's possible to infer one piece
of information from the other, but it's still two pieces of different
information and therefore not repetition.

It's only all present day *broadcast* television that's digital (and
we can still talk about television history) and of course not
everything digital is television.

</pedant>

Rod.

On 26/09/2022 01:36, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
> All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
>
> Bill

not 100% digital as the audio fed to the loudspeakers is still
analogue...... No one has developed a digital speaker yet.

(I'll get my coat!)

Well the name has digital in it. Even analogue has been digitised and how
this is done in ways to try to enhance the original is a subject in itself
I'd imagine.

Brian

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"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 26/09/2022 in message
> <1ce43d00-75ce-4410-85ee-6d2e08c332f1n@googlegroups.com>
> wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
>
>>All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
>>
>>Bill
>
> But was it when you were a lad and the group was set up?
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
> Those are my principles - and if you don't like them, well, I have others.
> (Groucho Marx)

In article <tgrn66$3mnkv$1@dont-email.me>,
SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
> On 26/09/2022 01:36, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
> > All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
> >
> > Bill

> not 100% digital as the audio fed to the loudspeakers is still
> analogue...... No one has developed a digital speaker yet.

ish... Depends on exactly what you mean by a 'loudspeaker'.

Bob.

In message <tgrrgg$3n37f$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
>Well the name has digital in it. Even analogue has been digitised and how
>this is done in ways to try to enhance the original is a subject in itself
>I'd imagine.
>
>Brian
>
But 'digital' may not always be what you think it might be - as anyone
who's had a quick check of their prostate will tell you.
--
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On 26/09/2022 10:40, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <tgrn66$3mnkv$1@dont-email.me>,
> SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
>> On 26/09/2022 01:36, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
>>> All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
>>>
>>> Bill
>
>> not 100% digital as the audio fed to the loudspeakers is still
>> analogue...... No one has developed a digital speaker yet.
>
> ish... Depends on exactly what you mean by a 'loudspeaker'.
>
> Bob.
>

speakers then which will cover muted speakers, quiet speakers, medium
speakers and loud speakers!

scientifically speaking, a speaker is an analogue electrical to analogue
audio transducer in the context of television and radio.....

In message <1ce43d00-75ce-4410-85ee-6d2e08c332f1n@googlegroups.com>,
"wrightsaerials@aol.com" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> writes
>All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
>
>Bill

It is, but it doesn't seem worth the effort of changing it.
--
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But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
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On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 08:35:54 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 26/09/2022 in message
> <1ce43d00-75ce-4410...@googlegroups.com>
> wrights...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
> >
> >Bill
> But was it when you were a lad and the group was set up?
No of course not. But it is now.
Bill

In article <tgsak7$3ofth$1@dont-email.me>,
SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
> On 26/09/2022 10:40, Bob Latham wrote:
> > In article <tgrn66$3mnkv$1@dont-email.me>,
> > SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
> >> On 26/09/2022 01:36, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
> >>> All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >
> >> not 100% digital as the audio fed to the loudspeakers is still
> >> analogue...... No one has developed a digital speaker yet.
> >
> > ish... Depends on exactly what you mean by a 'loudspeaker'.
> >
> > Bob.
> >

> speakers then which will cover muted speakers, quiet speakers,
> medium speakers and loud speakers!

> scientifically speaking, a speaker is an analogue electrical to
> analogue audio transducer in the context of television and
> radio.....

I was thinking more about digital loudspeakers like the range from
Meridian. (other manufacturers are available) Yes, they eventually
end with an analogue drive unit but they are still called digital
loudspeakers and they have a digital stream feeding the speaker box
not analogue. That's why it depends what you mean by a loudspeaker.

Had you said loudspeaker drive unit I would be 100% with you.

Bob.

On 26/09/2022 18:09, John Hall wrote:
> It is, but it doesn't seem worth the effort of changing it.

I suspect that with the way USENET works, you would end up with the two
newsgroups name in use but perhaps someone else knows more about how
USENET works/

Well, I see no problem with including posts about being poked by fingers
either, I mean, might the whole of reality really be digital anyway. The
Quantum effect may be just the dither applied to create the illusion of
smoothness

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"Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <tgrrgg$3n37f$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
>>Well the name has digital in it. Even analogue has been digitised and how
>>this is done in ways to try to enhance the original is a subject in itself
>>I'd imagine.
>>
>>Brian
>>
> But 'digital' may not always be what you think it might be - as anyone
> who's had a quick check of their prostate will tell you.
> --
> Ian

In message <tgt2it$3qnvo$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>On 26/09/2022 18:09, John Hall wrote:
>> It is, but it doesn't seem worth the effort of changing it.
>
>
>
>I suspect that with the way USENET works, you would end up with the two
>newsgroups name in use

Almost certainly.

> but perhaps someone else knows more about how USENET works/
>

I think, as a uk.* group, there would first have to be a request for
discussion (RFD), describing and giving reasons for the proposed name
change, posted to the group uk.net.news.management, followed by a call
for votes (CFV). Then if a majority voted for a change in name it would
happen.

Even then, as you say, the old name would be likely to survive as a
"zombie" group on many news servers. Seeing that at least 50% of the
posts here aren't about TV - and many aren't even about tech - it would
seem pretty pointless to try to change the name.
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But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On 27/09/2022 10:04, John Hall wrote:
<snip>
> Even then, as you say, the old name would be likely to survive as a
> "zombie" group on many news servers. Seeing that at least 50% of the
> posts here aren't about TV - and many aren't even about tech - it would
> seem pretty pointless to try to change the name.

I had wondered if "digital" was a "trigger word" for Bill after his
travails which may have involved doctors with big hands.

--
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On 26/09/2022 18:09, John Hall wrote:
> In message <1ce43d00-75ce-4410-85ee-6d2e08c332f1n@googlegroups.com>,
> "wrightsaerials@aol.com" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> writes
>> All television is digital. The group name is tautological.

All broadcast TV is digital. Some Radio Amateurs still run Analogue TV.
There is also a historic archive on analogue tv questions...

>>
>> Bill
>
> It is, but it doesn't seem worth the effort of changing it.

On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 08:35:54 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 26/09/2022 in message
> <1ce43d00-75ce-4410...@googlegroups.com>
> wrights...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
> >
> >Bill
> But was it when you were a lad and the group was set up?
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
> Those are my principles – and if you don’t like them, well, I have
> others.
> (Groucho Marx)

TV's were a rare luxury when Bill was a lad , and used thermionic valves.

On 27/09/2022 21:50, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
> TV's were a rare luxury when Bill was a lad , and used thermionic valves.

Thermionic valves? Now *THEY* were a bleeding luxury! When I were a
lad, we had to make do with cat's whiskers ...

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R. Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 08:35:54 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> > On 26/09/2022 in message
> > <1ce43d00-75ce-4410...@googlegroups.com>
> > wrights...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
> > >
> > >Bill
> > But was it when you were a lad and the group was set up?
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
> > Those are my principles – and if you don't like them, well, I have
> > others.
> > (Groucho Marx)
>
> TV's were a rare luxury when Bill was a lad , and used thermionic valves.

Tellies were a rare beast back in the daze o' me yoof. I was 7 y.o.
before we got our BBC only telly, complete with a tuner twiddler
and vertical and horizontal hold controls on the back.

I remember when next door got ITV, which was rumoured to be
in colour. It wasn't, of course, but it was a great privilege to be
invited round so we could see 'Our Gang' in glorious small screen
monochrome. ~1956

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On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 21:50:19 UTC+1, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> TV's were a rare luxury when Bill was a lad , and used thermionic valves.

Yes that's true.

Bill

John Hall wrote:

> Even then, as you say, the old name would be likely to survive as a "zombie"
> group on many news servers.

And google are no longer adding new groups to their servers (this may be a good
or bad thing) so it'd end up inaccessible to people using google groups, and
wouldn't be archived there.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 01:40:17 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

>R. Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 08:35:54 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> > On 26/09/2022 in message
>> > <1ce43d00-75ce-4410...@googlegroups.com>
>> > wrights...@aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > >All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
>> > >
>> > >Bill
>> > But was it when you were a lad and the group was set up?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
>> > Those are my principles – and if you don't like them, well, I have
>> > others.
>> > (Groucho Marx)
>>
>> TV's were a rare luxury when Bill was a lad , and used thermionic valves.
>
>Tellies were a rare beast back in the daze o' me yoof. I was 7 y.o.
>before we got our BBC only telly, complete with a tuner twiddler
>and vertical and horizontal hold controls on the back.
>
>I remember when next door got ITV, which was rumoured to be
>in colour. It wasn't, of course, but it was a great privilege to be
>invited round so we could see 'Our Gang' in glorious small screen
>monochrome. ~1956

Our first telly didn't even have a tuning control, because there was
nothing to tune. There was only one channel, so we could switch it on
and we could switch it off, and that was that.

Rod.

You could design digital circuits using valves though, I'm assuming Colossus
was like this as it appears to have lots of bistables using valves in it,
Most of the valves stick out the sides as I recall.
One of the problems with Usenet has always been that you needed to be an
in person to create one on the main backbone and there was no way to delete
it afterwards, which is why you can still see some odd named ones, but not
write to them.
Brian

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"R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 08:35:54 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 26/09/2022 in message
> <1ce43d00-75ce-4410...@googlegroups.com>
> wrights...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >All television is digital. The group name is tautological.
> >
> >Bill
> But was it when you were a lad and the group was set up?
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
> Those are my principles - and if you don't like them, well, I have
> others.
> (Groucho Marx)

TV's were a rare luxury when Bill was a lad , and used thermionic valves.

On 26/09/2022 11:00, Ian Jackson wrote:
> In message <tgrrgg$3n37f$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
>> Well the name has digital in it. Even analogue has been digitised and how
>> this is done in ways to try to enhance the original is a subject in
>> itself
>> I'd imagine.
>>
>> Brian
>>
> But 'digital' may not always be what you think it might be - as anyone
> who's had a quick check of their prostate will tell you.
Aye.. Tis a sad day when you realise that the number of doctors/nurses
exceeds the number of partners who've popped a finger up yer bum..