While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:28:52 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
>I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
>lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>

Wagon turntables, yes. There's some images of one at Devonport here:

http://www.gwsbristol.org/gwsturntable.html

As far as I'm aware, though, there's no evidence of dual gauge loco
turntables ever being used. Although dual gauge track was used where
Brunel's broad gauge coexisted with standard gauge, the two would have been
operated by different companies - GWR on the broad and a different company
on the standard. So they'd each have had their own loco stabling facilities,
and therefore there wouldn't have been any need to service broad and
standard gauge locos at the same shed.

Mark

On 16/08/2022 16:27, Mark Goodge wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:28:52 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
>> I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
>> lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>
>
> Wagon turntables, yes. There's some images of one at Devonport here:
>
> http://www.gwsbristol.org/gwsturntable.html
>
> As far as I'm aware, though, there's no evidence of dual gauge loco
> turntables ever being used. Although dual gauge track was used where
> Brunel's broad gauge coexisted with standard gauge, the two would have been
> operated by different companies - GWR on the broad and a different company
> on the standard. So they'd each have had their own loco stabling facilities,
> and therefore there wouldn't have been any need to service broad and
> standard gauge locos at the same shed.
>

A split like that was actually fairy rare, usually being more on paper,
with the actual trains being operated by the GWR anyway. Swindon works,
for instance dealt with both fleets of locos, were the broad and
standard departments separated in any meaningful way?

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Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:28:52 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
>> I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
>> lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>
>
> Wagon turntables, yes. There's some images of one at Devonport here:
>
> http://www.gwsbristol.org/gwsturntable.html
>
> As far as I'm aware, though, there's no evidence of dual gauge loco
> turntables ever being used. Although dual gauge track was used where
> Brunel's broad gauge coexisted with standard gauge, the two would have been
> operated by different companies - GWR on the broad and a different company
> on the standard. So they'd each have had their own loco stabling facilities,
> and therefore there wouldn't have been any need to service broad and
> standard gauge locos at the same shed.
>
But the GWR operated both gauges itself for a decade or more before the
final conversion in 1892
so the different company argument doesn’t stand.
Somewhere like Exeter would have been serving std gauge and Broad gauge
Locos arriving from the London and Bristol direction on mixed gauge track
and broad gauge only on the solely broad gauge route to the West.
Looking at a map of the era Exeter seems to have several turntables but the
maps unfortunately don’t
show the difference between gauges , Exeter City basin was equipped with
much smaller wagon turntables equipped for both gauges and which could
still be seen until recent times until one was preserved by removing it
and leaving the pit as a feature, the other has been preserved in situ
by covering it and then constructing a building on top of it.
I think a similar one from Plymouth has been restored at Didcot.

GH

On 16/08/2022 18:28, Marland wrote:
> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:28:52 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
>>> I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
>>> lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>
>>
>> Wagon turntables, yes. There's some images of one at Devonport here:
>>
>> http://www.gwsbristol.org/gwsturntable.html
>>
>> As far as I'm aware, though, there's no evidence of dual gauge loco
>> turntables ever being used. Although dual gauge track was used where
>> Brunel's broad gauge coexisted with standard gauge, the two would have been
>> operated by different companies - GWR on the broad and a different company
>> on the standard. So they'd each have had their own loco stabling facilities,
>> and therefore there wouldn't have been any need to service broad and
>> standard gauge locos at the same shed.
>>
> But the GWR operated both gauges itself for a decade or more before the
> final conversion in 1892
> so the different company argument doesn’t stand.
> Somewhere like Exeter would have been serving std gauge and Broad gauge
> Locos arriving from the London and Bristol direction on mixed gauge track
> and broad gauge only on the solely broad gauge route to the West.
> Looking at a map of the era Exeter seems to have several turntables but the
> maps unfortunately don’t
> show the difference between gauges , Exeter City basin was equipped with
> much smaller wagon turntables equipped for both gauges and which could
> still be seen until recent times until one was preserved by removing it
> and leaving the pit as a feature, the other has been preserved in situ
> by covering it and then constructing a building on top of it.
> I think a similar one from Plymouth has been restored at Didcot.
>

The wagon turntables are fascinating, must get over to Didcot and have a
look at the Plymouth one.

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In message <tdgol2$4frp$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:45:54 on Tue, 16 Aug
2022, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 16/08/2022 18:28, Marland wrote:
>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:28:52 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
>>>> I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
>>>> lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>
>>>
>>> Wagon turntables, yes. There's some images of one at Devonport here:
>>>
>>> http://www.gwsbristol.org/gwsturntable.html
>>>
>>> As far as I'm aware, though, there's no evidence of dual gauge loco
>>> turntables ever being used. Although dual gauge track was used where
>>> Brunel's broad gauge coexisted with standard gauge, the two would have been
>>> operated by different companies - GWR on the broad and a different company
>>> on the standard. So they'd each have had their own loco stabling facilities,
>>> and therefore there wouldn't have been any need to service broad and
>>> standard gauge locos at the same shed.
>>>
>> But the GWR operated both gauges itself for a decade or more before the
>> final conversion in 1892
>> so the different company argument doesn’t stand.
>> Somewhere like Exeter would have been serving std gauge and Broad gauge
>> Locos arriving from the London and Bristol direction on mixed gauge track
>> and broad gauge only on the solely broad gauge route to the West.
>> Looking at a map of the era Exeter seems to have several turntables but the
>> maps unfortunately don’t
>> show the difference between gauges , Exeter City basin was equipped with
>> much smaller wagon turntables equipped for both gauges and which could
>> still be seen until recent times until one was preserved by removing it
>> and leaving the pit as a feature, the other has been preserved in situ
>> by covering it and then constructing a building on top of it.
>> I think a similar one from Plymouth has been restored at Didcot.
>
>The wagon turntables are fascinating, must get over to Didcot and have
>a look at the Plymouth one.

The Amberley Museum site has a light railway with at least one wagon
turntable, and stretches of dual-guage, but not both at the same I
think.
--
Roland Perry

On 17/08/2022 06:50, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <tdgol2$4frp$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:45:54 on Tue, 16 Aug
> 2022, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 16/08/2022 18:28, Marland wrote:
>>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:28:52 +0100, Graeme Wall
>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>>> Boulder,
>>>>> I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
>>>>> lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>
>>>>
>>>> Wagon turntables, yes. There's some images of one at Devonport here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gwsbristol.org/gwsturntable.html
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm aware, though, there's no evidence of dual gauge loco
>>>> turntables ever being used. Although dual gauge track was used where
>>>> Brunel's broad gauge coexisted with standard gauge, the two would
>>>> have been
>>>> operated by different companies - GWR on the broad and a different
>>>> company
>>>> on the standard. So they'd each have had their own loco stabling
>>>> facilities,
>>>> and therefore there wouldn't have been any need to service broad and
>>>> standard gauge locos at the same shed.
>>>>
>>>   But  the GWR operated both gauges itself for a decade or more
>>> before the
>>> final conversion in 1892
>>> so the different company argument doesn’t stand.
>>> Somewhere like Exeter would have been serving std gauge and Broad gauge
>>> Locos arriving from the London and Bristol direction  on mixed gauge
>>> track
>>> and broad gauge only on the solely broad gauge route to the West.
>>> Looking at a map of the era Exeter seems to have several turntables
>>> but the
>>> maps unfortunately don’t
>>> show the difference between gauges , Exeter City basin was equipped with
>>> much smaller wagon turntables equipped for both gauges and which could
>>> still be seen until recent times until one was preserved by removing  it
>>> and leaving the pit as a feature, the other has been preserved in situ
>>> by covering it and then constructing a building on top of it.
>>> I think a similar one from Plymouth has been restored at Didcot.
>>
>> The wagon turntables are fascinating, must get over to Didcot and have
>> a look at the Plymouth one.
>
> The Amberley Museum site has a light railway with at least one wagon
> turntable, and stretches of dual-guage, but not both at the same I think.

Good excuse for a fact finding trip to Amberley :-)

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On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
> I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
> lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>
>

There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/

--
Arthur Figgis

In message <cE-dnSXijbJmgWD_nZ2dnZfqn_jNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
17:54:49 on Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
remarked:
>On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>this country>
>
>There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/

Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
--
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Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <cE-dnSXijbJmgWD_nZ2dnZfqn_jNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
> 17:54:49 on Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
> remarked:
>> On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>> this country>
>>
>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>
> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).

Works for me with no request for authentication. I’m looking at it with
the basic NewsTapLite browser so there are probably no preexisting cookies
that it might be accessing.

Sam

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <cE-dnSXijbJmgWD_nZ2dnZfqn_jNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
> 17:54:49 on Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
> remarked:
>> On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>> this country>
>>
>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>
> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).

I’m not signed up to either and had no trouble viewing it,
Twitter can be a problem when following some links that lead to it. The
sign in box comes up obscuring the article before I have had time to read
it but I have found that if I go through the motions of clicking the sign
in “button” and then closing the whole sign in page it usually disappears .

GH

On 18/08/2022 08:50, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <cE-dnSXijbJmgWD_nZ2dnZfqn_jNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>> 17:54:49 on Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>> remarked:
>>> On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>> this country>
>>>
>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>
>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>
> Works for me with no request for authentication. I’m looking at it with
> the basic NewsTapLite browser so there are probably no preexisting cookies
> that it might be accessing.
>

Fine here, but I'm using the forbidden in perryworld computer.

--
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Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <cE-dnSXijbJmgWD_nZ2dnZfqn_jNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>> 17:54:49 on Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>> remarked:
>>> On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>> this country>
>>>
>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>
>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>
> Works for me with no request for authentication. I’m looking at it with
> the basic NewsTapLite browser so there are probably no preexisting cookies
> that it might be accessing.
>

I accessed it with no problems via the full version of Newstap and Safari.

In message <tdkqvu$to5l$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:50:22 on Thu, 18 Aug
2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <cE-dnSXijbJmgWD_nZ2dnZfqn_jNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>> 17:54:49 on Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>> remarked:
>>> On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>> this country>
>>>
>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>
>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>
>Works for me with no request for authentication. I’m looking at it with
>the basic NewsTapLite browser so there are probably no preexisting cookies
>that it might be accessing.

I've tried it with two different browsers, same result.
--
Roland Perry

In message <jm6aghFa6hnU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:10:57 on Thu, 18
Aug 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>> this country>
>>>
>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>
>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>
>I’m not signed up to either and had no trouble viewing it,

What is "it"? I can see most of the page, but the turntable photo in
question is the one which apparently requires a sign-in.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <jm6aghFa6hnU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:10:57 on Thu, 18
> Aug 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>>> this country>
>>>>
>>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>>
>>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>>
>> I’m not signed up to either and had no trouble viewing it,
>
> What is "it"? I can see most of the page, but the turntable photo in
> question is the one which apparently requires a sign-in.

The “it” is a series of posts under the heading “mixed gauge” reached by
following the link to it by Mr Figgis.
Amongst the posts are various links to photos including the turntable
concerned.
I honestly cannot remember if I clicked those links or the pictures just
appeared,
this morning they just appeared , though one further down of a Guineas
converter bogie and loco
I had to to click to view and had to again just now. Photos further down
the page such as mixed gauge at Larne just opened by themselves.
My newsreader in Newstap on an old ish i Pad.

GH

On 18/08/2022 09:15, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <jm6aghFa6hnU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:10:57 on Thu, 18
> Aug 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>>> Boulder,  I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>>> there. That  lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>>> this country>
>>>>
>>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>>
>>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>>
>> I’m not signed  up to either and had no trouble viewing it,
>
> What is "it"? I can see most of the page, but the turntable photo in
> question is the one which apparently requires a sign-in.

I think they're referring to this image:
<https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/uploads/monthly_2015_12/MixedGauge2.JPG.7b39671595492b7019fd0f25452f73ec.JPG>

It appeared first time for me, though if I allow Google scripts
then it invites me to fill in a Captcha for no obvious reason.

In message <jm6c9fFafrtU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:41:19 on Thu, 18
Aug 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <jm6aghFa6hnU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:10:57 on Thu, 18
>> Aug 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>>>> this country>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>>>
>>>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>>>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>>>
>>> I’m not signed up to either and had no trouble viewing it,
>>
>> What is "it"? I can see most of the page, but the turntable photo in
>> question is the one which apparently requires a sign-in.
>
>The “it” is a series of posts under the heading “mixed gauge”
>reached by following the link to it by Mr Figgis.

>Amongst the posts are various links to photos including the turntable
>concerned.

I've tried clicking on the link in the first posting, with the results I
have reported. For some reason the second link automatically shows a
picture of some dual-gauge track, but no turntable.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tdkv8q$up8h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:03:21 on Thu, 18 Aug
2022, Certes <none@nowhere.net> remarked:
>On 18/08/2022 09:15, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <jm6aghFa6hnU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:10:57 on Thu, 18
>>Aug 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>>>> Boulder,  I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>>>> there. That  lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>>>> this country>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>>>
>>>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>>>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>>>
>>> I’m not signed  up to either and had no trouble viewing it,
>> What is "it"? I can see most of the page, but the turntable photo in
>>question is the one which apparently requires a sign-in.
>
>I think they're referring to this image:
><https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/uploads/monthly_2015_12/MixedGauge2.JP
>G.7b39671595492b7019fd0f25452f73ec.JPG>

Interesting, although no through-running (of either gauge).
--
Roland Perry

Graeme Wall wrote:

> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
> this country>

Recent YouTube has this from Australia ... https://youtu.be/zvWQFlDdMX4
titled as "VERY COMPLICATED SHUNT - V/Line Passenger Cars at The
Seymour Dual Gauge Turntable"

On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:54:49 +0100, Arthur Figgis
<afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:

>On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
>> I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
>> lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>
>>
>
>There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/

Did the 1855 GWR Westbourne Park facility have seperate broad and
standard gauge turntables until 1892? Old Oak Common wasn't built
until the early 1900s.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tdkqvu$to5l$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:50:22 on Thu, 18 Aug
> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <cE-dnSXijbJmgWD_nZ2dnZfqn_jNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>> 17:54:49 on Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>> remarked:
>>>> On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>>> this country>
>>>>
>>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>>
>>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>>
>> Works for me with no request for authentication. I’m looking at it with
>> the basic NewsTapLite browser so there are probably no preexisting cookies
>> that it might be accessing.
>
> I've tried it with two different browsers, same result.

The Ely triangle[1] strikes again.

[1] Or perhaps Ely has/had a turntable?

Sam

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In message <tdlea8$11sjh$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:20:08 on Thu, 18 Aug
2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in
>>>>>> Boulder, I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable
>>>>>> there. That lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in
>>>>>> this country>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>>>
>>>> Up to a point, you appear to need an account to sign in (or tell them
>>>> your credentials at Facebook, Twitter etc).
>>>
>>> Works for me with no request for authentication. I’m looking at it with
>>> the basic NewsTapLite browser so there are probably no preexisting cookies
>>> that it might be accessing.
>>
>> I've tried it with two different browsers, same result.
>
>The Ely triangle[1] strikes again.

Can you confirm that when you go to the page' there are two photos: one
of the gauntlet track, and above it one of the turntable. Because all I
see (using third browser) is the text "Turntable at Strabane" and a link
which requires authentication if clicked.
--
Roland Perry

Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:54:49 +0100, Arthur Figgis
> <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
>>> I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
>>> lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>
>>>
>>
>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>
> Did the 1855 GWR Westbourne Park facility have seperate broad and
> standard gauge turntables until 1892? Old Oak Common wasn't built
> until the early 1900s.
>

I had a look at old OS maps on the NLS site when this thread first started.
Westbourne Park is covered by a 25” to the mile edition and at this scale
the individual rails of tracks are shown, so it is easy to see which lines
are mixed or just one or the other gauge.

, There are two turntables shown both with mixed gauge track one with
through roads for both gauges the other with the std gauge only going as
far as the turntable.
However as drawn by the cartographer they could not possibly work for the
std gauge,as depictions of wagon turntables have shown if a vehicle is
turned completely around you need 4 rails as a common rail would end up out
of alignment.
As no separate turntable is depicted for std gauge I reckon these were four
rail and the cartographer just drew them the same as they did the plain
track to keep things tidy.
Map is here
<https://maps.nls.uk/view/103313015>
Published 1871
Interesting to see the labels for switches as outside of the railway and
sometimes within it the description point is usually the term used and
Switch thought to be North American usage,
Like spellings with an added u it is the British version of English that
has changed.

GH

On 18/08/2022 14:54, Marland wrote:
> Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:54:49 +0100, Arthur Figgis
>> <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/08/2022 14:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> While sorting out some photos of the Colorado railway museum in Boulder,
>>>> I came across a coupe of shots of the dual gauge turntable there. That
>>>> lead me to wonder if such a turntable was ever used in this country>
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is a photo of a dual gauge turntable in Strabane here:
>>> https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/4994-mixed-gauge/
>>
>> Did the 1855 GWR Westbourne Park facility have seperate broad and
>> standard gauge turntables until 1892? Old Oak Common wasn't built
>> until the early 1900s.
>>
>
> I had a look at old OS maps on the NLS site when this thread first started.
> Westbourne Park is covered by a 25” to the mile edition and at this scale
> the individual rails of tracks are shown, so it is easy to see which lines
> are mixed or just one or the other gauge.
>
> , There are two turntables shown both with mixed gauge track one with
> through roads for both gauges the other with the std gauge only going as
> far as the turntable.
> However as drawn by the cartographer they could not possibly work for the
> std gauge,as depictions of wagon turntables have shown if a vehicle is
> turned completely around you need 4 rails as a common rail would end up out
> of alignment.
> As no separate turntable is depicted for std gauge I reckon these were four
> rail and the cartographer just drew them the same as they did the plain
> track to keep things tidy.
> Map is here
> <https://maps.nls.uk/view/103313015>
> Published 1871
> Interesting to see the labels for switches as outside of the railway and
> sometimes within it the description point is usually the term used and
> Switch thought to be North American usage,
> Like spellings with an added u it is the British version of English that
> has changed.
>

Fascinating, I hadn't realised the cartography went into that level of
detail.

--
Graeme Wall
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